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"WOW, even my DH bike is lighter than your Enduro/trail bike"
Right before That happens.
Leogangbikeclub comments and says that the little girl is about 50kg, while no doubt she shreds, it feels like the bike should be able to take that abuse.
Some more pics borrowed from instagram
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPJQ_vCjHts/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
ooops
haha i remember the bryceland / minnaar conversation when ratboy busted his ankle
"i didn't want to brake"
"i could see that"
It’s a hydraulic bottom out. The new Zeb has its too.
You will see in a few weeks.
My guess is that its either a manufacturing defect or the frame was previously crashed and weakened at the downtube.
Definitely a lack of information to say what may have caused that failure.. To simply say the rider wasn't very heavy leaves a lot to be answered about events leading up to this..
I will say that where it broke is interesting and makes me think potential defect, but you can't really tell enough from those pics..
Whilst the pivot might have a few more broken frames than others, there's no way that impact would cause that on an in tact frame. Either it was previously damaged or defective. No way it would a survive a sin le run at a world cup or hardline if it was that weak!
It's different to the Zeb we've seen, and the drawings in the patent filling. The prototype Zeb has a twistable dial at the footnut, this boxxer has a normal footnut.
Exactly my thoughts. They probably don't want to jizz out their reveal ahead of time, and won't show the probable secus-a-like before launch.
Removable/retrofittable means they don't have to force everyone into it/can milk it for base users.
Still in testing phase, Pivot simply prefers real world testing.
Welp that solidifies that. Im completely turned away from Pivot. This screams Orange Bike manufacturing kind of problem right here.
How does this help creaky CSU's? That's the upgrade I'M looking for.
No surprises here, the front fell off again. I hope she's okay!! Pivot needs to acknowledge these faults and start putting reinforcing material in all those weak spots, and probably do a recall too.
A filter of some sort would easily solve the oil coming out and dust/ debris coming in. Seems like a much easier engineering project to tackle than getting the main air chamber connected through the lowers.
I’m not saying it’s for sure a vent, but in terms of practicality it seems like a more easily mass manufactured solution.
would you say that you're...... pivoting away from them
For more than a decade MTB forks have had very little space in the lowers for lubrication. Like 10-15cc of volume. If you add more than that then the fork becomes very progressive at the end of it's travel. Since the lauch of Buttercups most riders have complained that those forks are very very progressive at the end of their travel. Well the Buttercups sit in the same tiny space that the lower leg lubricant goes. I would expect that the new extra volume add-on on these pro forks is to make up for the loss of volume from the Buttercups.
they really need to take a look at their carbon layup. the phoenix is i think the lightest current DH bike out there despite that complex suspension layout with 2 chains and chainrings. maybe a bit too close to the edge construction wise.
Re: the RockShox casting feature, I'm guessing it's interchangeable, external caps to adjust lower leg volume to tune casting ramp-up. This would be especially needed if theres another mechanism in the casting (lower) taking up volume –– like an adjustable bottom-out bumper.
No, this particular thing looks to be related to the air spring side of the system, not damping. "Linear XL" same name for their new larger air cans to make shocks more linear. This looks to be a fully integrated Seccus. We will also likely see the HBO or tunable bottom out bumpers in conjunction with this as the method for preventing harsh bottoms.
The frame is LIGHT. Just over 37 lbs complete for mine. Same parts except for the cranks on a Supreme were just under 43 lbs.
Looking at the failures, it's past the edge. All she did was go nose heavy off a drop and it snapped way worse than those GTs people have been riding into trees at speed. Pretty sure Devinci just recalled a bunch of bikes for something similar
Not sure it’s related, but I just saw a pic of Pivot team running a new firmer compression tune in the shock, CL130. They could be searching for more support to prevent bottom out events that stress the frame, without increasing spring further.
Surely, we’ll be seeing this bike soon...
Chunky road ride: Chode Ride
When sustained for a longer duration it becomes a: Grundle Grind'r
Quote from Nicolas: "My guess is that its either a manufacturing defect or the frame was previously crashed and weakened at the downtube."
or third option: construction defect.
Not that this couldn’t happen on an alloy frame, but getting stabbed by that shredded carbon tube has to be a worst case scenario.
I don't know if the production bikes use metal or carbon "lugs" still but thats broken exactly along the lines of where the lugs were on the prototype bike.
It definitely irks me this type of failure - you don't need to make production bikes that light and you are really risking your customers by not simply beefing them up a little bit or doing more/better testing.
There has been far too many public breakages of these to be a coincidence and Pivot just haven't acknowledged that there is either a flaw in the design or their particular manufacturing process. Not sure if its sunk cost fallacy or something else but they need to deal with this fast. I just don't hear of breakages like this from any other brand - sure bikes break but never in the ways that the phoenix does
It'll only get worse from here if they don't acknowledge it publicly. We might be seeing them in the next edition of Jeff Brines' "will brands go bust" thread if they dont rub their braincells together.
It looks like that pivot snapped on the downtube first- in an area where you do get lots of rocks kicked up, so maybe it was damaged previously.
On the other hand- it’s the downtube of a downhill bike- probably should be overbuilt.
Edit- skip to 5 minutes:
https://youtu.be/w5eMMf11uhM?si=Ed0-cZSZaSZxbBcZ