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I'd also say the display screen looks to be too flush fitting for DJI, their screen is slightly raised.
That down tube size doesn't say Avinox. At this point in time I wouldn't give someone else's money to YT.
It's a Bosch CX.
Not sure if they have just forgotten to tell PB to not run that ad or what but they should postpone the launch until they offer some sort of update on the future of the brand and what they are doing for all the European customers who have had money taken for orders they seemingly cannot deliver or refund.
I just received an email from YT for the same ad. I would think they would have stopped that from going out if they were holding off on a release.
Who in their right mind is going to spend any money on a new e-bike from YT right now? If I wanted to get rid of several thousand dollars quickly for nothing in return, there are plenty of better ways to do it, such as setting it on fire or hiring a lawyer to claw back money from YT for other customers.
I was under the impression that YT NA was doing fine. Maybe the release will be region targeted. Any Euros here get this email ad?
I would pay good money for someone to ride this thing down the stair set in the "Psycho snaping his norco chaos in half" video. Bonus points if they wear the same jeans.
In other news, I did a mini road trip and saw a Trek Fuel (?)X in a store and on the sales floor on Sunday, ready to be sold well in advance of embargo date. Looked really good.... but $7,000 for an Eagle 90 aluminum build is a little rich for my blood.
The only reason YT gets to continue to live uncaged is because we abolished debtors prisons like a hundred years ago.
But what happens to the NA entity if the European (and main) entity closes down? It's originally a German company so I assume that means that the European entity was the one responsible for designing and manufacturing the bikes. I assume all the manufacturing contracts, IP, parts supply deals, trademarks, etc. are all tied to that entity. Are YT going to transfer all ownership of that over to the NA operation?
Either way I think they have burned a lot of trust recently. I think people would be crazy to buy a bike from them until there is clarification on the future outlook of the company. Madness to release a bike right now imo.
Looks like that Transition proto spotted a while back is getting closer to release. New Spire? TR11? Combining Spire and Patrol? One bike to replace all three, similar to the new Rallon???
Modular dropouts, swappable lower shock mount. Although it looks like a tapered headtube, interesting to see them switching from the straight headtubes on the Spire and Patrol.
It doesn’t look like it has enough seatpost insertion to be a bike for pedaling.
look at how many brands went out of business the last few years and are now back in business. These filings and proceedings are tools to reconcile debt (I think, I’m an idiot when it comes to business and money)
Krusty Krab strikes again.
If it isn't "to be a bike for pedaling", and you dont' have to worry about seatpost insertion nor water bottle, why not stick with a horizontal shock? Make your bike look better! Make it stand out! Its not like any company is selling enough DH bikes to justify their existence on their own, its all about brand visibility. So be visible!
100% this.
I understand everyones concerns but this all seems fairly standard fund reorganisation (from current public info at least).
The staff can’t say anything because they’re not allowed to and also don’t know. If they do say anything they’ll be the first for the chop if redundancies happen.
Remember data is the big commodity and debt ownership is a close 2nd… far bigger than oil.
The last thing the banks want is for a business to go bust because then they don’t get as much as of their “money” back.
I don't really care the reason why a company sends out a email saying "thanks for the cash, but we can't fill your order nor issue a refund. If you have any questions call your lawyer, not our (non-existent) customer service"; I'm not pulling the trigger on an online purchase.
Sadly as abrupt and heartless as it all sounds (even with the pinkbike translation) it is all still quite standard communication… that will have been written by their legal team.
It’s still super early days the moment and I’m still giving them the benefit of the doubt. Bigger mtb companies have bigger falls from grace and come out and we’ve all forgotten about it surprisingly quickly.
It’s funny whenever there’s a negative story we all shout “I knew it”
But when there’s something positive we’re all saying “there must be a catch”.
"Markus Flossmann, founder and CEO of YT Industries, said it was "not an easy step for YT, but a necessary measure to actively shape the future of the brand." Flossmann added: "We are already in discussions with potential new partners and are confident that we'll be back on track soon." [emphasis mine]
Currently, YT Industries remains fully operational with business continuing as normal during the restructuring process. Customer service and warranty support continue to be available and new product launches are still on track to launch in the coming months."
@hamncheez2003 where did you see that email?
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/yt-industries-begins-restructuring-under-self-administration.html#cm4006739
https://www.reddit.com/r/MTB/comments/1m1fk7u/yt_industries_insolvency/
many such cases
Looking at the image of the lower shock mount more closely, there is the same modular style shock mount (even looks the same) as the new Orbea bike as well as those Treks. I bet its a dual purpose frame with two travel and geo options. One for 200mm (obviously) but I bet one for 175-ish mm as well.
The seat post insertion length does look a bit short, but maybe will electronic rolling shutters and/or motion blur its not as bad as a single blurry image suggests.
Also look how short Nico Vink's cranks are.
No so sure about the strategy of, in fairly quick succession, having a huge sale and taking a bunch of people's money, sending them an email telling them neither the bike nor a refund are imminent, and then launching a new version of a bike called the "decoy."
It's a bold strategy, that's for sure
While the name is kinda on point, it could be worse, like "Ransom."
If it's the same bike we have seen a few times in spy shots, good luck running a 100 mm dropper post based on the shape of the seat tube...
super awkward situation where there are possibly two different companies acting under the YT name. this would explain why there is still a decoy launch and why marketing continues as though nothing is out of the ordinary. It is also worth noting that the offical email said that orders wouldn't be fulfilled at this time, not that they would never be fulfilled. Again, I know shit about business but I am very interested in the volatility of the industry at this point and I am very curious how this will affect the companies and the riders. really sucks if you have money actually tied up in euro YT, but it looks like the decoy might still be a safe bet in NA?
Not sure if the embargo ends today anyway, but you can check out the Ripley AF on youtube. Apparently the Eagle 90 spec is 4k USD and the lower tier one 3.4 k or something and geo is shared with the carbon version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJBjwI8-JE
The Vid also has a pic of the Ripmo AF, which looks actually pretty nice in raw alu.
raw aluminum one looks great...
makes me think, any other dual link suspension offering aluminum frames? I suppose Banshee falls under that umbrella. Anyone else?
dangit, now that they got rid of the ugly top tube theres nothing to poke fun at