I mean, would you prefer manufactures only offered premium builds and left nothing for entry level consumer? Manufactures understandably don't want to offer two material options...
I mean, would you prefer manufactures only offered premium builds and left nothing for entry level consumer? Manufactures understandably don't want to offer two material options for all the frames they produce. RS Select/Fox Performance level suspension and GX/SLX is fine for a massive amount of the market and people can upgrade the base level kit as they go along.
Your assessment of GX/SLX being more than adequate is spot on.. My primary bike uses GX..I will admit to being a bit of a suspension snob, but the Select or Performance level isn't terrible.
I'm talking about SX or NX parts on carbon frames.. I would throw Deore in that mix, but at least that actually works pretty well. I personally feel that if you are on a budget that you are better off with an aluminum frame and a nice built kit than a carbon frame with lower spec parts.. I think the nicer parts will be noticed more on the trail than the carbon frame..
I mean, would you prefer manufactures only offered premium builds and left nothing for entry level consumer? Manufactures understandably don't want to offer two material options...
I mean, would you prefer manufactures only offered premium builds and left nothing for entry level consumer? Manufactures understandably don't want to offer two material options for all the frames they produce. RS Select/Fox Performance level suspension and GX/SLX is fine for a massive amount of the market and people can upgrade the base level kit as they go along.
Your assessment of GX/SLX being more than adequate is spot on.. My primary bike uses GX..I will admit to being a bit of a suspension snob...
Your assessment of GX/SLX being more than adequate is spot on.. My primary bike uses GX..I will admit to being a bit of a suspension snob, but the Select or Performance level isn't terrible.
I'm talking about SX or NX parts on carbon frames.. I would throw Deore in that mix, but at least that actually works pretty well. I personally feel that if you are on a budget that you are better off with an aluminum frame and a nice built kit than a carbon frame with lower spec parts.. I think the nicer parts will be noticed more on the trail than the carbon frame..
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a...
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
I don't think I've seen that much difference in weight if the only difference is just the frame material..
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a...
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a...
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
I don't think I've seen that much difference in weight if the only difference is just the frame material..
Can confirm alloy stumpy 15 is heavy. Bought alloy and built up, ext era fork, Storia coil, xo transmission, carbon rims with king hubs, dh casing tires comes in at 36 lbs in a S3.
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH team had these same gold cams in their Mavens at Leogang. Any theories? More leverage? Less leverage? More ramp? Less ramp?
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a...
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
Can confirm alloy stumpy 15 is heavy. Bought alloy and built up, ext era fork, Storia coil, xo transmission, carbon rims with king hubs, dh casing...
Can confirm alloy stumpy 15 is heavy. Bought alloy and built up, ext era fork, Storia coil, xo transmission, carbon rims with king hubs, dh casing tires comes in at 36 lbs in a S3.
36lbs for a medium alloy frame with a coil shock, heavy hubs, and DH tires is actually really good.
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a...
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
I don't think I've seen that much difference in weight if the only difference is just the frame material..
I picked an especially heavy example
I know most aren’t that dramatic but I have the alloy stumpy Evo and man I wish I had the carbon for a little more efficiency on the big days in the sierras 🫃🏻
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a...
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
Can confirm alloy stumpy 15 is heavy. Bought alloy and built up, ext era fork, Storia coil, xo transmission, carbon rims with king hubs, dh casing...
Can confirm alloy stumpy 15 is heavy. Bought alloy and built up, ext era fork, Storia coil, xo transmission, carbon rims with king hubs, dh casing tires comes in at 36 lbs in a S3.
Stumpy Evo Alloy with the same build would be 38 lbs. but yeah, the alloy 15 is a lot heavier than the carbon, too. 36 is actually kind of a nice weight but a lot of folks want that trail/all-mountain balance of 32-34lbs
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH...
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH team had these same gold cams in their Mavens at Leogang. Any theories? More leverage? Less leverage? More ramp? Less ramp?
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH...
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH team had these same gold cams in their Mavens at Leogang. Any theories? More leverage? Less leverage? More ramp? Less ramp?
Oh god, the amount of Ibis Mojos with Xfusion suspension in the wild in 2013-2016 was wild. The amount of people with carbon bikes and non...
Oh god, the amount of Ibis Mojos with Xfusion suspension in the wild in 2013-2016 was wild. The amount of people with carbon bikes and non functional forks I saw was a sight to behold.
It's the "we don't do a frame only option so here's the bare minimum" build imo
Yeah I'm pretty sure thats it - I think it's part of those psychological tactics companies play to drive sales, where if they introduce the cheapest possible build they can do (especially if it "looks" cheap....) then its easier to upsell people in to the next model up, where they probably have more profit and definitely carry more stock (if you have ever tried to order an entry level model from a high end brand, you'll know this). But if the base model is the absolute most someone can already afford then they can still satisfy that customer. So they sell more overall, even if the entry level bike doesn't seem like great value - I don't believe they really intend to sell a bunch of those anyway
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH...
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH team had these same gold cams in their Mavens at Leogang. Any theories? More leverage? Less leverage? More ramp? Less ramp?
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH...
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH team had these same gold cams in their Mavens at Leogang. Any theories? More leverage? Less leverage? More ramp? Less ramp?
Most likely the trickle down from new maven base- less force needed for initial lever pull. Kaz on the other page did a good review on them and mentioned that it was so good, he’d ride them over the ultimates.
You probably know this already, but are just trying to get users to convers on the forum. Touché, if so,
I prefer the bases on my DH bike than the TRP PRO and Maven Silvers on anther bike. a touch less initial power which has been great to add a little bit more control.
I don’t think it’s silly if a rider wants a different character than the frame was designed with.Neko made a video testing different AR configurations and...
I don’t think it’s silly if a rider wants a different character than the frame was designed with.
Neko made a video testing different AR configurations and basically said its rider dependent on what they want.
I think people believe that certain frame designs like horst link or split pivot have no influence from the brake on the suspension, so a floating brake wouldn't do anything. The marketing from some of those frames kind of gave that impression. Really they (floating brakes) can alter the braking characteristic of almost any bike in either direction as well (more or less anti rise)
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH...
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH team had these same gold cams in their Mavens at Leogang. Any theories? More leverage? Less leverage? More ramp? Less ramp?
Based on where that 2mm bolt sits, it looks like they've reworked the SwingLink (26 in first diagram) to be more like the Pushrod (18 in second diagram) in the Base lever. Appears that it's adjustable as well. More/less leverage is my guess.
So I assumed that the Base was going to be different from the other Mavens, but maybe we will see the first case of Trickle Up Technology? At least, maybe the popularity of the base has sent the team off in search of a solution that will give the Ultimate users a chance to adjust leverage the same way we have been able to adjust bit point, throw, etc?
So Sram are playing with a lighter pull setup... Even though "everyone" swears blind that the heavy pull is the bESt thINg EvAr. This U-turn is nearly as funny as the "we will never make a mineral oil brake".
They would make an incredible political party with plays like this.
So Sram are playing with a lighter pull setup... Even though "everyone" swears blind that the heavy pull is the bESt thINg EvAr. This U-turn is...
So Sram are playing with a lighter pull setup... Even though "everyone" swears blind that the heavy pull is the bESt thINg EvAr. This U-turn is nearly as funny as the "we will never make a mineral oil brake".
They would make an incredible political party with plays like this.
It's really funny that SRAM's sponsored elite riders are going for a setup that's less bitey with a lighter lever feel, because I got downvoted to hell on the other site for saying that the initial heavy bite was a bad thing.
It's really funny that SRAM's sponsored elite riders are going for a setup that's less bitey with a lighter lever feel, because I got downvoted to...
It's really funny that SRAM's sponsored elite riders are going for a setup that's less bitey with a lighter lever feel, because I got downvoted to hell on the other site for saying that the initial heavy bite was a bad thing.
Well yeah you dared to share a negative thought about Sram 😅🤷🏽♂️
It such a contrary thinkg that all of a sudden a heavy lever is seen as a positive. Lets get rid of power steering and bring back heavy clutches in cars too 😬
Well yeah you dared to share a negative thought about Sram 😅🤷🏽♂️It such a contrary thinkg that all of a sudden a heavy lever is seen...
Well yeah you dared to share a negative thought about Sram 😅🤷🏽♂️
It such a contrary thinkg that all of a sudden a heavy lever is seen as a positive. Lets get rid of power steering and bring back heavy clutches in cars too 😬
I refuse to be gaslit into believing that a heavy lever action with a super strong bite point isn't a recipe for disaster
I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I rode that the bite was right away.. Granted, that bite point had a tendency to change during the run... Tryin to drag that brake took a really light touch. For me, my older TRP Quadiums are pretty much perfect.. I can feel the contact point and if I need more power, I squeeze a bit harder..I never need more than one finger on the lever. I did put in a set of Sram 2mm rotors so they hit a bit sooner.. Only downside is a bit of pad rub with fresh pads, but it goes away pretty quick..
I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I...
I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I rode that the bite was right away.. Granted, that bite point had a tendency to change during the run... Tryin to drag that brake took a really light touch. For me, my older TRP Quadiums are pretty much perfect.. I can feel the contact point and if I need more power, I squeeze a bit harder..I never need more than one finger on the lever. I did put in a set of Sram 2mm rotors so they hit a bit sooner.. Only downside is a bit of pad rub with fresh pads, but it goes away pretty quick..
I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.
I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes...
I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.
I didn't feel Codes were really under powered, but im not a WC DH racer.. However, the first thing I did on those was turn in the contact adjustment.. Still a bit spungey on the lever, but controllable.. That's what I like about my current setup.. It really feels in between a Sram and Shimano.. Good initial bite with the ability to add more power as needed without feeling too squishy at the lever.. Sounds like the Maven base wight be pretty similar going off the PB review..
So Sram are playing with a lighter pull setup... Even though "everyone" swears blind that the heavy pull is the bESt thINg EvAr. This U-turn is...
So Sram are playing with a lighter pull setup... Even though "everyone" swears blind that the heavy pull is the bESt thINg EvAr. This U-turn is nearly as funny as the "we will never make a mineral oil brake".
They would make an incredible political party with plays like this.
It's really funny that SRAM's sponsored elite riders are going for a setup that's less bitey with a lighter lever feel, because I got downvoted to...
It's really funny that SRAM's sponsored elite riders are going for a setup that's less bitey with a lighter lever feel, because I got downvoted to hell on the other site for saying that the initial heavy bite was a bad thing.
It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever feels out of a brake as possible. What a novel concept! The fact that they can provide as many different options with the same general architecture is a sign of some pretty damn good engineering, and I want to highlight when things are done well in the bike industry. I like the feel of Mavens as is, so does everyone I talk to. Some people might not and guess what? All those opinions are okay.
What grinds my gears is this dogmatic approach people have to everything around how their bikes are set up. Like their preferences are the only truth in the world. So you think the mavens level pull is heavy? I don’t. Is it worth derailing tech rumors to talk about how vindicated you feel and how its proof that SRAM engineers are a bunch of crayon eaters who “don’t bike no good?”
In times like this I’m always reminded of the fact that “Opinions are like Aholes, everyone has them and their full of poop.”
Now: Back to the rumors.
What do you think is the likelihood of a 30t compatible OChain is?
It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever...
It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever feels out of a brake as possible. What a novel concept! The fact that they can provide as many different options with the same general architecture is a sign of some pretty damn good engineering, and I want to highlight when things are done well in the bike industry. I like the feel of Mavens as is, so does everyone I talk to. Some people might not and guess what? All those opinions are okay.
What grinds my gears is this dogmatic approach people have to everything around how their bikes are set up. Like their preferences are the only truth in the world. So you think the mavens level pull is heavy? I don’t. Is it worth derailing tech rumors to talk about how vindicated you feel and how its proof that SRAM engineers are a bunch of crayon eaters who “don’t bike no good?”
In times like this I’m always reminded of the fact that “Opinions are like Aholes, everyone has them and their full of poop.”
Now: Back to the rumors.
What do you think is the likelihood of a 30t compatible OChain is?
Your assessment of GX/SLX being more than adequate is spot on.. My primary bike uses GX..I will admit to being a bit of a suspension snob, but the Select or Performance level isn't terrible.
I'm talking about SX or NX parts on carbon frames.. I would throw Deore in that mix, but at least that actually works pretty well. I personally feel that if you are on a budget that you are better off with an aluminum frame and a nice built kit than a carbon frame with lower spec parts.. I think the nicer parts will be noticed more on the trail than the carbon frame..
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
I don't think I've seen that much difference in weight if the only difference is just the frame material..
1.5-2.5lbs-ish is pretty typical for aluminum vs carbon.
An aluminum Sentinel frame is 9.9lb (medium) and the carbon one is 7.41lb (medium).
Can confirm alloy stumpy 15 is heavy. Bought alloy and built up, ext era fork, Storia coil, xo transmission, carbon rims with king hubs, dh casing tires comes in at 36 lbs in a S3.
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH team had these same gold cams in their Mavens at Leogang. Any theories? More leverage? Less leverage? More ramp? Less ramp?
36lbs for a medium alloy frame with a coil shock, heavy hubs, and DH tires is actually really good.
I picked an especially heavy example
I know most aren’t that dramatic but I have the alloy stumpy Evo and man I wish I had the carbon for a little more efficiency on the big days in the sierras 🫃🏻
Stumpy Evo Alloy with the same build would be 38 lbs. but yeah, the alloy 15 is a lot heavier than the carbon, too. 36 is actually kind of a nice weight but a lot of folks want that trail/all-mountain balance of 32-34lbs
Kashima for less friction/lighter lever feel
Another option for Dak to try?
Yeah I'm pretty sure thats it - I think it's part of those psychological tactics companies play to drive sales, where if they introduce the cheapest possible build they can do (especially if it "looks" cheap....) then its easier to upsell people in to the next model up, where they probably have more profit and definitely carry more stock (if you have ever tried to order an entry level model from a high end brand, you'll know this). But if the base model is the absolute most someone can already afford then they can still satisfy that customer. So they sell more overall, even if the entry level bike doesn't seem like great value - I don't believe they really intend to sell a bunch of those anyway
More like the Maven Base maybe?
I don’t think it’s silly if a rider wants a different character than the frame was designed with.
Neko made a video testing different AR configurations and basically said its rider dependent on what they want.
Most likely the trickle down from new maven base- less force needed for initial lever pull. Kaz on the other page did a good review on them and mentioned that it was so good, he’d ride them over the ultimates.
You probably know this already, but are just trying to get users to convers on the forum. Touché, if so,
I prefer the bases on my DH bike than the TRP PRO and Maven Silvers on anther bike.
a touch less initial power which has been great to add a little bit more control.
I think people believe that certain frame designs like horst link or split pivot have no influence from the brake on the suspension, so a floating brake wouldn't do anything. The marketing from some of those frames kind of gave that impression. Really they (floating brakes) can alter the braking characteristic of almost any bike in either direction as well (more or less anti rise)
Based on where that 2mm bolt sits, it looks like they've reworked the SwingLink (26 in first diagram) to be more like the Pushrod (18 in second diagram) in the Base lever. Appears that it's adjustable as well. More/less leverage is my guess.
Ultimate / Bronze
Base
So I assumed that the Base was going to be different from the other Mavens, but maybe we will see the first case of Trickle Up Technology? At least, maybe the popularity of the base has sent the team off in search of a solution that will give the Ultimate users a chance to adjust leverage the same way we have been able to adjust bit point, throw, etc?
Ochain / SRAM is official.
So Sram are playing with a lighter pull setup... Even though "everyone" swears blind that the heavy pull is the bESt thINg EvAr. This U-turn is nearly as funny as the "we will never make a mineral oil brake".
They would make an incredible political party with plays like this.
It's really funny that SRAM's sponsored elite riders are going for a setup that's less bitey with a lighter lever feel, because I got downvoted to hell on the other site for saying that the initial heavy bite was a bad thing.
Well yeah you dared to share a negative thought about Sram 😅🤷🏽♂️
It such a contrary thinkg that all of a sudden a heavy lever is seen as a positive. Lets get rid of power steering and bring back heavy clutches in cars too 😬
I refuse to be gaslit into believing that a heavy lever action with a super strong bite point isn't a recipe for disaster
Wonder if that means no more compatibility with other cranks
I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I rode that the bite was right away.. Granted, that bite point had a tendency to change during the run... Tryin to drag that brake took a really light touch. For me, my older TRP Quadiums are pretty much perfect.. I can feel the contact point and if I need more power, I squeeze a bit harder..I never need more than one finger on the lever. I did put in a set of Sram 2mm rotors so they hit a bit sooner.. Only downside is a bit of pad rub with fresh pads, but it goes away pretty quick..
I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.
I didn't feel Codes were really under powered, but im not a WC DH racer.. However, the first thing I did on those was turn in the contact adjustment.. Still a bit spungey on the lever, but controllable.. That's what I like about my current setup.. It really feels in between a Sram and Shimano.. Good initial bite with the ability to add more power as needed without feeling too squishy at the lever.. Sounds like the Maven base wight be pretty similar going off the PB review..
It’s almost like people prefer different things out of their brakes and that it would be beneficial to the company to provide as many different lever feels out of a brake as possible. What a novel concept! The fact that they can provide as many different options with the same general architecture is a sign of some pretty damn good engineering, and I want to highlight when things are done well in the bike industry. I like the feel of Mavens as is, so does everyone I talk to. Some people might not and guess what? All those opinions are okay.
What grinds my gears is this dogmatic approach people have to everything around how their bikes are set up. Like their preferences are the only truth in the world. So you think the mavens level pull is heavy? I don’t. Is it worth derailing tech rumors to talk about how vindicated you feel and how its proof that SRAM engineers are a bunch of crayon eaters who “don’t bike no good?”
In times like this I’m always reminded of the fact that “Opinions are like Aholes, everyone has them and their full of poop.”
Now: Back to the rumors.
What do you think is the likelihood of a 30t compatible OChain is?
For the 30T compatible OChain: 100%
https://www.ochain.bike/products/ochain-n-nero-version