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4/12/2025 3:11pm

The "logos on the kit" argument is quite perssuasive i must say. Once again the people's champ delivering sponsorship science to the masses. Respeck.

And yet, this clever hypothese opens up another can of worms. Does world Cup winner and long time TRP user ( prototype brakes included) Oisin O' Callagham not get a single dime from Tektro since he doesnt sport any TRP logos? Damm...

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4/13/2025 6:13am
bizutch wrote:

I'm just annoyed I'm getting notifications 4 months into a season about "Team Rumours" & it's 10 pages of:
"Interpretations of Jesse"

funny, same thing happens if i happen to stumble upon a post with your avatar next to it, coincidence?

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4/13/2025 6:25am

I think most of us agree with you @sethimus 

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4/13/2025 6:58am
bizutch wrote:

I'm just annoyed I'm getting notifications 4 months into a season about "Team Rumours" & it's 10 pages of:
"Interpretations of Jesse"

haha you are right and I am sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread so much. All I really wanted to do was defend Enduro...

haha you are right and I am sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread so much. All I really wanted to do was defend Enduro as I agree with a lot that has been said above, it's mainly a perception issue, so I am trying to shift perception and bring some positivity into the discipline. That was the reason for the Jack/Sram comment and trying to make it less about Sram pulling Enduro funding, and also the Chris Ball comment, which did not go over well, but that one I'll accept and I will keep trying with him. 

I'll try to shore up as much as possible in here so we can get back to rumours. Most things I know as fact I would not post in here because I respect my position and the sensitive information I have. So if I do post, it is as a Vital user primarily who wants to engage in the forums like the rest of you, with opinions, guesses, and banter. 

One more detail I'll mention(that I just scientifically researched) is that Vali does have Sram/Rockshox logos on her kit while Jack does(did) not. Further implying Vali maintains a sponsorship directly with them and Jack was just being a good ambassador like we all try to do for our sponsors and those that support us. Support goes beyond product and money, Sram/RS provide a huge amount of help and support with setup and product. I would agree that Jack is a huge asset for all of his brands, he is incredible at what he does and I have a hard time not cheering for him even though he's more-likely-than-not to beat me when he doesn't have bad luck. We love what we do and our promotion of brands and product does not always align with who pays the most, sometimes it's just who supports(read: cares) the most. 

 

First off, I just want to personally say that I loved your podcast you did with Remy was awesome. Your perspective and optimism around the future of Enduro was heartening to hear. I hope that it does go back to "cool bikes in cool places" and that you continue to have a long career racing your bike as fast as you can on dirt. Thank you so much for being a great ambassador for the sport and for mountain biking in general. 

I do wonder if you feel like the general landscape of sponsorship lends its self to be parasitic, and if you have had to bring in 3rd party people to help you make contract decisions. I think a lot about people like Asa who are young and potentially vulnerable to non favorable contracts and wonder if you feel like most actors in the space act in good faith. I've seen companies in the ski related space turn and burn athletes, leaving some of them physically broken shells with no support, and hope that the bike industry might be different.

 

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@jessemelamed Derail?  You are single handedly keeping this thread alive!  With no racing this week other than sea otter I need something to do to distract...

@jessemelamed Derail?  You are single handedly keeping this thread alive!  With no racing this week other than sea otter I need something to do to distract me at work ;p

That said, If I may throw my hat into poop that is this forum, I think the key word that most people are misinterpreting is support.  Sram said they no longer wanted to support Jack.  Meaning he was just going to get off the shelf products. If you notice, for the last several years Jack has had access to Black Box RS products.  This shows that he had a close working relation with Sram.  He was able to get new stuff early, do lots of testing and ultimately end up with a setup that he thought gave him the edge over his competition.  Ontop of that, having access to techs that can either help with setup or make changes to internals.  There is a huge jump between that and just pulling some suspension off the shelf. 

There was "not a race" test event at Lousa with a lot of top DH riders attending, here are the results: https://results.stopandgo.pro/1648/ranking/individual/4/1

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4/14/2025 10:07am Edited Date/Time 4/14/2025 10:14am
Primoz wrote:

I think most of us agree with you @sethimus 

Looking for butt hurt is what you are. 🧐

I was defending @jessemelamed having made a simple statement & his intent to inform the workings of deals & hookups.
Instead of letting it sit as such, the forum rolled it into 10 pages of "well if not this...then this...".

Just looked like a bunch of ninnies trying to twist his words & create drama where there was none. Instead of Jesse getting to just say it & keep rolling, we get Alex Jones level hyperbole from the peanut gallery. 🙃

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4/22/2025 8:38am

Has anyone mentioned Mondraker's switch to SRAM? Still on Fox suspension (for now?).

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4/22/2025 4:02pm
chriskief wrote:

Has anyone mentioned Mondraker's switch to SRAM? Still on Fox suspension (for now?).

Yes. Mondraker publicly confirmed the switch in early February.

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4/25/2025 11:24am

Apologies if I missed it (and I did look) but all of the Intense Factory team look like they’re still on tradition drivetrain bikes. Are they still planning on running gearbox bikes for World Cup races? You’d think they would want to have that all sorted out by now. 

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4/25/2025 11:50am
Bleeder19 wrote:
Apologies if I missed it (and I did look) but all of the Intense Factory team look like they’re still on tradition drivetrain bikes. Are they...

Apologies if I missed it (and I did look) but all of the Intense Factory team look like they’re still on tradition drivetrain bikes. Are they still planning on running gearbox bikes for World Cup races? You’d think they would want to have that all sorted out by now. 

the U.S. intense team is on "regular" m16s (for now). Axess Intense will be on gearboxes at the world cups. 

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4/28/2025 1:05pm

Looks like Danny Hart was using XTR brakes last weekend for IXS @ Fort William. Hadn’t they been on TRP brakes and drivetrain earlier? 

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4/29/2025 4:39am
lloyd506 wrote:

Looks like Danny Hart was using XTR brakes last weekend for IXS @ Fort William. Hadn’t they been on TRP brakes and drivetrain earlier? 

The Norco had a set of Hopes at one point aswell

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4/29/2025 11:51am
lloyd506 wrote:

Looks like Danny Hart was using XTR brakes last weekend for IXS @ Fort William. Hadn’t they been on TRP brakes and drivetrain earlier? 

JokullThor wrote:

The Norco had a set of Hopes at one point aswell

The Norco team don't seem to have many actually major sponsors. Can't find much info but seems they run what Minnaar likes regardless of if they have to buy it themselves or not? 

Maybe I need to watch some of their YouTube videos? 

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5/1/2025 7:41am

Asa on Frameworks for the next 3 years, love to see it

 

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5/1/2025 7:50am
29 wrote:

Asa on Frameworks for the next 3 years, love to see it

 

Amazing news, the symbiotic relationship between Asa and Frameworks/Neko is awesome to see. Racing fans & tech nerds should be stoked for the development content to come. 

Also, I love that the best "jr" rider in the world is signing with such a small home-grown team for his first few years in elites. Dude could've ridden for any team in the world and decided he wanted chill vibes lol. I love it. There's more rebelliousness and old-school mtb thinking in that than first meets the eye. 

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5/1/2025 7:57am Edited Date/Time 5/1/2025 8:00am

that's freaking awesome! if you didn't watch our levo vid from this week with neko and asa, it's plain to see they all seem to have a great time doing what they do best.

how rad is this photo...

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5/1/2025 10:36am
sspomer wrote:
that's freaking awesome! if you didn't watch our levo vid from this week with neko and asa, it's plain to see they all seem to...

that's freaking awesome! if you didn't watch our levo vid from this week with neko and asa, it's plain to see they all seem to have a great time doing what they do best.

how rad is this photo...

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Is this the cue to start the 2026 team rumors thread? 

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5/1/2025 11:21am
29 wrote:

Asa on Frameworks for the next 3 years, love to see it

 

Super stoked but blown away that FW can afford this kid. Asa is legit the next very top contender that is plain to see.

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5/1/2025 11:29am
29 wrote:

Asa on Frameworks for the next 3 years, love to see it

 

Suns_PSD wrote:

Super stoked but blown away that FW can afford this kid. Asa is legit the next very top contender that is plain to see.

Call me cynical but my guess is after some superb performances this season  and a couple of elite World cups wins Asa will move to Specialized and FrameWorks  will receive a huge fee to release him from his contract 

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5/1/2025 2:10pm
Call me cynical but my guess is after some superb performances this season  and a couple of elite World cups wins Asa will move to Specialized...

Call me cynical but my guess is after some superb performances this season  and a couple of elite World cups wins Asa will move to Specialized and FrameWorks  will receive a huge fee to release him from his contract 

Yea, I think people aren't' realizing that "Frameworks" isn't paying Asa. All the other sponsors are kicking in big cash to pay him a real (big) salary when he goes elite. And yes, I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes knocking and buys out his contract after his first year. 

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5/1/2025 2:17pm

or maybe he just likes the low-key vibes of working with neko and has a good support system where he is. playing the long game of success, comfort, familiarity and fun vs short game of some cash but with a team that may not culturally gel or a bike that doesn't work for him right away.

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5/1/2025 2:26pm
sspomer wrote:
or maybe he just likes the low-key vibes of working with neko and has a good support system where he is. playing the long game of...

or maybe he just likes the low-key vibes of working with neko and has a good support system where he is. playing the long game of success, comfort, familiarity and fun vs short game of some cash but with a team that may not culturally gel or a bike that doesn't work for him right away.

👆🏻This here is why.

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5/1/2025 2:29pm

Neko and Logan are brilliant at getting visibility in a way that feels genuine and likeable, and Asa is benefitting. Without knowing what goes on behind the scenes, I'd wager that Logan is a huge part of that success with the video production. They might be a small, low budget team, but the long-term benefit to Asa is substantial. We feel like we know the guy already, that's huge in today's media landscape. I have nothing but respect for that whole crew.

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5/1/2025 2:45pm
sspomer wrote:
or maybe he just likes the low-key vibes of working with neko and has a good support system where he is. playing the long game of...

or maybe he just likes the low-key vibes of working with neko and has a good support system where he is. playing the long game of success, comfort, familiarity and fun vs short game of some cash but with a team that may not culturally gel or a bike that doesn't work for him right away.

But mountain biking and professional athletics more broadly is by definition playing a short game of cash. Asa has only 10-15 years to make money after which he has to transition to something else, a prospect many athletes struggle with. Moreover the bike industry as a whole struggling compounds this. This is why if I were in his circle, I would advise him to maximize his earning now and set himself up better in a volatile future.

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5/1/2025 2:50pm

That is such an epic photo and symbolic of the frameworks ethos. Rides bikes, have fun! 

But yeah, I have to wonder, he would be deserving of a significant wage now. Is Whitely in his management circle?

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5/1/2025 3:11pm

Hopefully Asa isn't leaving too much on the table salary wise by staying on a small team. Seems kind of wild that he's signing the paperwork in a parking lot.. Does this guy even have an agent? You have to side with the athlete big time in these situations. As others have said, you never know how long someone can race at a pro level.

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A few things to consider for those thinking Asa might be getting the short end of the stick. First, Neko is not going to take advantage of Asa; in fact I believe it's the opposite. He's looking out for his overall success, financially and between the tape. Those saying Asa doesn't know what he's doing or that a contract just appeared in a parking lot and he signed it w/o spending time on the details beforehand is insulting to Asa as well as Neko's motives. Second, I'd wager Asa is getting very fairly compensated. There may be some creative incentives to racing for FW, which also should be able to compete with the big teams in terms of financial compensation (but not pit setup, etc.) if they structure the team sponsorships and budget with that aim, which I'd also bet they do. Finally, Asa being super comfy going into elites and getting top results is going to lead to the biggest contracts/deals in the future. Finally finally, it's a badass move and I support it Wink

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5/1/2025 4:12pm
A few things to consider for those thinking Asa might be getting the short end of the stick. First, Neko is not going to take advantage...

A few things to consider for those thinking Asa might be getting the short end of the stick. First, Neko is not going to take advantage of Asa; in fact I believe it's the opposite. He's looking out for his overall success, financially and between the tape. Those saying Asa doesn't know what he's doing or that a contract just appeared in a parking lot and he signed it w/o spending time on the details beforehand is insulting to Asa as well as Neko's motives. Second, I'd wager Asa is getting very fairly compensated. There may be some creative incentives to racing for FW, which also should be able to compete with the big teams in terms of financial compensation (but not pit setup, etc.) if they structure the team sponsorships and budget with that aim, which I'd also bet they do. Finally, Asa being super comfy going into elites and getting top results is going to lead to the biggest contracts/deals in the future. Finally finally, it's a badass move and I support it Wink

Do you think he is getting the 1-1.5 mil that the other sites' survey says top Elite racers make? Where does that come from? It is a simple math problem and Frameworks' limited releases and YouTube views don't make those numbers feasible. I hope Fox et al is footing the bill to get him close to what the top dogs are making.

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5/1/2025 4:43pm

Asa will get everything he needs. The chassis is a proven winner, and Fox Factory will have him on whatever is the best available. Red Bull has to be taking good care of one of their top prospects. 

If Asa needs a frame tweak, it can be done much quicker than the huge corporations allow. You couldn’t walk through the Massanutten pits last weekend without tripping over a Frameworks bike. 

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63expert wrote:
Asa will get everything he needs. The chassis is a proven winner, and Fox Factory will have him on whatever is the best available. Red Bull...

Asa will get everything he needs. The chassis is a proven winner, and Fox Factory will have him on whatever is the best available. Red Bull has to be taking good care of one of their top prospects. 

If Asa needs a frame tweak, it can be done much quicker than the huge corporations allow. You couldn’t walk through the Massanutten pits last weekend without tripping over a Frameworks bike. 

No one is denying his world class support, rather we are speculating about his compensation.

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