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4/6/2025 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 1:31pm
Could the YT mystery suspension be the new RST? Looks at least a new dual crown is on the way 

Could the YT mystery suspension be the new RST? Looks at least a new dual crown is on the way

 

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If it’s the one that was floating around NZ national champs them it’s a painted up Boxxer.

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4/6/2025 2:12pm
I bet they only ordered like 400 at most so definitely jump on the “dh” trail bike with 41% progression if you want to ride actual...

I bet they only ordered like 400 at most so definitely jump on the “dh” trail bike with 41% progression if you want to ride actual dh buy anything else 

41% progression and also comes stock with a 250x75 float x

Made and engineered in china! 

Transitions are manufactured in Taiwan 

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metadave
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4/6/2025 2:17pm
metadave wrote:
Where does RST keep coming out of? They seem to pop up every 7-8 years trying to break into into the high end market again. Are...

Where does RST keep coming out of? They seem to pop up every 7-8 years trying to break into into the high end market again. Are they bigger in Asia or are they a manufacturer for other brands and keep taking swings with their own line?

slimshady wrote:

Newsflash: not everyone can afford/needs kashima and 6377364 knobs in their suspension.

I'm aware, and have an understanding that 90% or more of riders have no business touching high speed compression or rebound knobs. There are many suspension company's making fantastic stuff for cheap. Suntour, Rockshox, Marzocchi and X-fusion all knock it out of the park with close to $500 suspension products for every day riders from XC to freeride. I love my Z1 and rarely do I find it unable to keep up to my 38 Factory while it does double duty on a hardtail on the same trails. And the Domain has been a reliable smasher of a park and freeride fork for 10+ years, 

I'll elaborate on my question so there's not another mistaken shot at elitism. Where do they come from and why do they seem to pop up every 8 years or so? They seem to come out with a meh attempt to have a mid level fork or forks come to market, it reviews poorly and has absolutely zero support in any way other than a small US office that tried their best but ultimately it just wasn't doable and then they disappear again, making ok entry level stuff that seems to come and go on OEM stuff. In Canada it was like pulling teeth to get support for the Aquila, which was a half decent entry level fork that came on almost every 2017/18 hardtail, but if there was an issue with it, it was new fork time which was frustrating to customers. 

I'm all fork RST to come out swinging to release a good product, but where Suntour, who i view as their classic competitor, dug deep and built the RUX and Durolux by beating their heads into the ground very publicly and ended up with a pretty dang good product, RST hasn't delivered the same way. It seems odd to have so many products to compare and test against but always come up short. 

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4/6/2025 3:01pm
Could the YT mystery suspension be the new RST? Looks at least a new dual crown is on the way 

Could the YT mystery suspension be the new RST? Looks at least a new dual crown is on the way

 

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Bangsy wrote:

If it’s the one that was floating around NZ national champs them it’s a painted up Boxxer.

It is actually an RST - that bike came through my shop for some quick set up and it was nothing like anything else I've seen. I seem to remember the compression damping had a million clicks from super soft to basically locked out. No idea whats in side them but felt smooth enough to be serviceable?

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4/6/2025 3:58pm
29 wrote:
Saw the new XTR wireless in person on a bike. Rdr is a lot bigger than cabled, maybe even a tad bigger than transmission. Looks sleek...

Saw the new XTR wireless in person on a bike. Rdr is a lot bigger than cabled, maybe even a tad bigger than transmission. Looks sleek tho. 

Shifter is also bigger than the sram pods, ergonomics like a normal cable shifter. 

What about the new shimano brakes? any idea when they drivtrain or brakes will launch?

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4/6/2025 4:14pm
29 wrote:
Saw the new XTR wireless in person on a bike. Rdr is a lot bigger than cabled, maybe even a tad bigger than transmission. Looks sleek...

Saw the new XTR wireless in person on a bike. Rdr is a lot bigger than cabled, maybe even a tad bigger than transmission. Looks sleek tho. 

Shifter is also bigger than the sram pods, ergonomics like a normal cable shifter. 

Ernst_ wrote:

What about the new shimano brakes? any idea when they drivtrain or brakes will launch?

June

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Bangsy
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4/6/2025 5:04pm
Could the YT mystery suspension be the new RST? Looks at least a new dual crown is on the way 

Could the YT mystery suspension be the new RST? Looks at least a new dual crown is on the way

 

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Bangsy wrote:

If it’s the one that was floating around NZ national champs them it’s a painted up Boxxer.

It is actually an RST - that bike came through my shop for some quick set up and it was nothing like anything else I've seen...

It is actually an RST - that bike came through my shop for some quick set up and it was nothing like anything else I've seen. I seem to remember the compression damping had a million clicks from super soft to basically locked out. No idea whats in side them but felt smooth enough to be serviceable?

Interesting! I was sure I saw a little debonair stamp on one of the stanchions. Making things up as I go along haha 

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Bangsy wrote:

If it’s the one that was floating around NZ national champs them it’s a painted up Boxxer.

It is actually an RST - that bike came through my shop for some quick set up and it was nothing like anything else I've seen...

It is actually an RST - that bike came through my shop for some quick set up and it was nothing like anything else I've seen. I seem to remember the compression damping had a million clicks from super soft to basically locked out. No idea whats in side them but felt smooth enough to be serviceable?

Bangsy wrote:

Interesting! I was sure I saw a little debonair stamp on one of the stanchions. Making things up as I go along haha 

To be fair I was sure I misread the text when he said it was an RST.....hadn't even thought of them in years!  But apparently it is a current product...they have service vids online and the damper is a fairly normal cartridge with shims and oil.....just not sealed with an IFP or anything.  (and yes I definitely don't take for granted that every damper uses shims or something that resembles modern technology even in 2025....) 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but that looks like a 29er Rear?

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4/7/2025 3:34am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2025 3:41am
metadave wrote:
Where does RST keep coming out of? They seem to pop up every 7-8 years trying to break into into the high end market again. Are...

Where does RST keep coming out of? They seem to pop up every 7-8 years trying to break into into the high end market again. Are they bigger in Asia or are they a manufacturer for other brands and keep taking swings with their own line?

slimshady wrote:

Newsflash: not everyone can afford/needs kashima and 6377364 knobs in their suspension.

metadave wrote:
I'm aware, and have an understanding that 90% or more of riders have no business touching high speed compression or rebound knobs. There are many suspension...

I'm aware, and have an understanding that 90% or more of riders have no business touching high speed compression or rebound knobs. There are many suspension company's making fantastic stuff for cheap. Suntour, Rockshox, Marzocchi and X-fusion all knock it out of the park with close to $500 suspension products for every day riders from XC to freeride. I love my Z1 and rarely do I find it unable to keep up to my 38 Factory while it does double duty on a hardtail on the same trails. And the Domain has been a reliable smasher of a park and freeride fork for 10+ years, 

I'll elaborate on my question so there's not another mistaken shot at elitism. Where do they come from and why do they seem to pop up every 8 years or so? They seem to come out with a meh attempt to have a mid level fork or forks come to market, it reviews poorly and has absolutely zero support in any way other than a small US office that tried their best but ultimately it just wasn't doable and then they disappear again, making ok entry level stuff that seems to come and go on OEM stuff. In Canada it was like pulling teeth to get support for the Aquila, which was a half decent entry level fork that came on almost every 2017/18 hardtail, but if there was an issue with it, it was new fork time which was frustrating to customers. 

I'm all fork RST to come out swinging to release a good product, but where Suntour, who i view as their classic competitor, dug deep and built the RUX and Durolux by beating their heads into the ground very publicly and ended up with a pretty dang good product, RST hasn't delivered the same way. It seems odd to have so many products to compare and test against but always come up short. 

Excellent points. Up until maybe 10 years ago, you could find RST products in local bike brands of third world countries (I'm speaking from experience here, I'm Argentinian). Then, SunTour started to gain market share. These days most entry/supermarket bikes have unbranded or same-brand-as-the-bike forks, mostly AliExpress basic stuff.

 

Still, RST seems to be big in the APAC area, and in some way, in Brazil. You have to understand there's no way for a guy with a basic income of less than 250 USD to get the kind of money necessary to buy a brand new Fox 40 or Rockshox Boxxer.

 

They RST 8-year resurrection cycle has more to do with the way tech trickles down and gets cheaper to produce. Still, they do awful stuff such as making parts that should be metal in plastic. I understand, you have to cut some corners to offer a double crown fork with an hydraulic cartridge for less than 600 bucks, and you won't notice the flaws until something breaks, but they still survive by being cheaper than most brands.

 

The zero support statement is also true outside the US, but still, when you have a big (and mostly, unnoticed for the big media) chunk of the DH/freeride movement building their bikes from the frame up by buying grey market components from AliExpress/eBay (such as in Russia, Eastern Europe, Brazil, Mexico, South America, APAC), you need to understand zero support means nothing when you get the same level from the big brands, simply because there's no official rep in any of those regions, and the local guy importing/smuggling spare parts would charge you three times the retail value in the US/EU, and you have to pray for the exact spare you need to be in stock. 

 

Also, to buy a big-brand suspension product in the countries I mentioned before, either you order it from USA/EU and deal with the customs and taxes, or it comes stock in a bike, or you buy it from someone who bought a complete bike and is stripping it down for profit. There's practically ZERO brand representation for Fox, Rockshox, SunTour, etc. The wholesale bike suppliers/importers would bring in whatever is cheaper or in stock at the time of ordering. So, in essence, the importers are basically using RST to fill the gaps there.

 

I see RST doing these product releases just to still keep some of their '90s prestige. Here in Argentina (and most of the third world), when all SunTour had to offer was the spring based 7007 and Rockshox had the Quadra and Mag 21, RST had decent elastomer basic forks, and they made a name for themselves for being dependable enough to justify buying a complete bike if it had one of their products. They still lack any kind of formal/regular media presence though.

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4/7/2025 5:14am

Looks like the Forbidden eMTB (I'm assuming) will be 'landing' at Sea Otter.

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4/7/2025 6:56am
majorjake wrote:
Looks like the Forbidden eMTB (I'm assuming) will be 'landing' at Sea Otter.

Looks like the Forbidden eMTB (I'm assuming) will be 'landing' at Sea Otter.

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Did you get those launch coordinates from a group chat you were recently added to?
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4/7/2025 7:14am
majorjake wrote:
Looks like the Forbidden eMTB (I'm assuming) will be 'landing' at Sea Otter.

Looks like the Forbidden eMTB (I'm assuming) will be 'landing' at Sea Otter.

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nskerb wrote:
Did you get those launch coordinates from a group chat you were recently added to?

he was invited by cpt. obvious 

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majorjake wrote:
Looks like the Forbidden eMTB (I'm assuming) will be 'landing' at Sea Otter.

Looks like the Forbidden eMTB (I'm assuming) will be 'landing' at Sea Otter.

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nskerb wrote:
Did you get those launch coordinates from a group chat you were recently added to?

🔥🦾🏴‍☠️

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metadave
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4/7/2025 8:05am
slimshady wrote:

Newsflash: not everyone can afford/needs kashima and 6377364 knobs in their suspension.

metadave wrote:
I'm aware, and have an understanding that 90% or more of riders have no business touching high speed compression or rebound knobs. There are many suspension...

I'm aware, and have an understanding that 90% or more of riders have no business touching high speed compression or rebound knobs. There are many suspension company's making fantastic stuff for cheap. Suntour, Rockshox, Marzocchi and X-fusion all knock it out of the park with close to $500 suspension products for every day riders from XC to freeride. I love my Z1 and rarely do I find it unable to keep up to my 38 Factory while it does double duty on a hardtail on the same trails. And the Domain has been a reliable smasher of a park and freeride fork for 10+ years, 

I'll elaborate on my question so there's not another mistaken shot at elitism. Where do they come from and why do they seem to pop up every 8 years or so? They seem to come out with a meh attempt to have a mid level fork or forks come to market, it reviews poorly and has absolutely zero support in any way other than a small US office that tried their best but ultimately it just wasn't doable and then they disappear again, making ok entry level stuff that seems to come and go on OEM stuff. In Canada it was like pulling teeth to get support for the Aquila, which was a half decent entry level fork that came on almost every 2017/18 hardtail, but if there was an issue with it, it was new fork time which was frustrating to customers. 

I'm all fork RST to come out swinging to release a good product, but where Suntour, who i view as their classic competitor, dug deep and built the RUX and Durolux by beating their heads into the ground very publicly and ended up with a pretty dang good product, RST hasn't delivered the same way. It seems odd to have so many products to compare and test against but always come up short. 

slimshady wrote:
Excellent points. Up until maybe 10 years ago, you could find RST products in local bike brands of third world countries (I'm speaking from experience here...

Excellent points. Up until maybe 10 years ago, you could find RST products in local bike brands of third world countries (I'm speaking from experience here, I'm Argentinian). Then, SunTour started to gain market share. These days most entry/supermarket bikes have unbranded or same-brand-as-the-bike forks, mostly AliExpress basic stuff.

 

Still, RST seems to be big in the APAC area, and in some way, in Brazil. You have to understand there's no way for a guy with a basic income of less than 250 USD to get the kind of money necessary to buy a brand new Fox 40 or Rockshox Boxxer.

 

They RST 8-year resurrection cycle has more to do with the way tech trickles down and gets cheaper to produce. Still, they do awful stuff such as making parts that should be metal in plastic. I understand, you have to cut some corners to offer a double crown fork with an hydraulic cartridge for less than 600 bucks, and you won't notice the flaws until something breaks, but they still survive by being cheaper than most brands.

 

The zero support statement is also true outside the US, but still, when you have a big (and mostly, unnoticed for the big media) chunk of the DH/freeride movement building their bikes from the frame up by buying grey market components from AliExpress/eBay (such as in Russia, Eastern Europe, Brazil, Mexico, South America, APAC), you need to understand zero support means nothing when you get the same level from the big brands, simply because there's no official rep in any of those regions, and the local guy importing/smuggling spare parts would charge you three times the retail value in the US/EU, and you have to pray for the exact spare you need to be in stock. 

 

Also, to buy a big-brand suspension product in the countries I mentioned before, either you order it from USA/EU and deal with the customs and taxes, or it comes stock in a bike, or you buy it from someone who bought a complete bike and is stripping it down for profit. There's practically ZERO brand representation for Fox, Rockshox, SunTour, etc. The wholesale bike suppliers/importers would bring in whatever is cheaper or in stock at the time of ordering. So, in essence, the importers are basically using RST to fill the gaps there.

 

I see RST doing these product releases just to still keep some of their '90s prestige. Here in Argentina (and most of the third world), when all SunTour had to offer was the spring based 7007 and Rockshox had the Quadra and Mag 21, RST had decent elastomer basic forks, and they made a name for themselves for being dependable enough to justify buying a complete bike if it had one of their products. They still lack any kind of formal/regular media presence though.

Thats great info, thanks! 

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Poleczechy
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4/7/2025 8:29am
utmtbrider wrote:

Fork lowers look very similar to Ohlins to me, especially the dual pinch bolt setup and overall design.

Eae903 wrote:

I looked at ohlins thinking that it might be it, but I thought the arch was different! Good catch

Lacanuck24 wrote:
Almost certain that isn't an Ohlins. The crown machining and shape don't match. There are no negative surface cuts at the arch or the axle like...

Almost certain that isn't an Ohlins. The crown machining and shape don't match. There are no negative surface cuts at the arch or the axle like an Ohlins. Look at the top caps/adjusters. Nothing looks similar to anything from the major players. Potentially a new lower casting, maybe a new fork from FAST?

Also looks like there are no rebound or ramp chamber valve on the either of the lowers, looks like they are just bolts to me.

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4/7/2025 8:54am
dolface wrote:

For those who don't wanna click:

Price: $549 USD / €600 EUR / $945 AUS / £535

nskerb wrote:
Is that really that good? IDK man.. I have pretty much just rode whatever dropper comes on my bike, I just don't really care to buy...

Is that really that good? IDK man.. I have pretty much just rode whatever dropper comes on my bike, I just don't really care to buy a nicer one but isn't like the best of the best cable droppers costing around 250 bucks?

But this one has Active Ride

in an ironic twist of fate my one up now has Active Ride

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nskerb wrote:
Is that really that good? IDK man.. I have pretty much just rode whatever dropper comes on my bike, I just don't really care to buy...

Is that really that good? IDK man.. I have pretty much just rode whatever dropper comes on my bike, I just don't really care to buy a nicer one but isn't like the best of the best cable droppers costing around 250 bucks?

But this one has Active Ride

in an ironic twist of fate my one up now has Active Ride

Free upgrade!

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4/7/2025 11:14am

Wow I've never considered an Ari until that new Timp Peak. Nice to see an ebike being sold as a frame, even if it is expensive, but transferrable lifetime warranty?! (this is a first for a DTC brand to do lifetime warranty at all right?) 

Also, 600wh or 800wh battery that can be swapped or range extended, so all of us should be happy in some configuration.

Vertical mount crab link without trunion.

It would be really hard to buy a Vala or a Regulator over this if you can come to grips with owning an Ari.

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kcw72
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4/7/2025 1:09pm

There were pictures of that e Druid online yesterday for a hot minute, can’t remember if it was in here or somewhere else but they got removed pretty quickly. I think everyone kinda knows what’s coming anyway. 
Couple fade to black fade colours and a full black one. 

4/7/2025 1:29pm
kcw72 wrote:
There were pictures of that e Druid online yesterday for a hot minute, can’t remember if it was in here or somewhere else but they got...

There were pictures of that e Druid online yesterday for a hot minute, can’t remember if it was in here or somewhere else but they got removed pretty quickly. I think everyone kinda knows what’s coming anyway. 
Couple fade to black fade colours and a full black one. 

Find it back boys. 🙃

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Nicolas M.
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4/7/2025 1:41pm

Looks like Specialized Gravity are riding for a different brake company this year. Does anyone know what brand it is?

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Nicolas M.
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Finkill
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4/7/2025 1:55pm

Are these the rumoured Brembo brakes, would make sense as they are already sponsored by Ohlins?

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4/7/2025 1:56pm
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I know Brembo was rumored earlier, especially since they've bought Öhlins. Not sure if these are them, but someone else might have more info.

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4/7/2025 2:21pm

The clamp design on those looks very similar to the new TRP brakes released last month.

Image for comparison: 

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4/7/2025 2:26pm
The clamp design on those looks very similar to the new TRP brakes released last month.Image for comparison: 

The clamp design on those looks very similar to the new TRP brakes released last month.

Image for comparison: 

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It looks like a trp before it hits the lathe and has all the extra material taken off to give it some style. It's just machine billet at this point. 

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4/7/2025 3:40pm

2 Chainz spotted on Finn Iles' story? My brain tells me it functions in a similar way to that zoceli vysoko.

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4/7/2025 3:44pm
The clamp design on those looks very similar to the new TRP brakes released last month.Image for comparison: 

The clamp design on those looks very similar to the new TRP brakes released last month.

Image for comparison: 

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Looks to me like they both use the Matchmaker design. Which is a good thing, IMHO. Dialing in ergonomics with MM is less fiddly than with any of the iterations of I-Spec.

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