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Which is a shame, because overlap is what's best for consumers. I'm a big lad and probably need a 38, but smaller people really don't need...

Which is a shame, because overlap is what's best for consumers. I'm a big lad and probably need a 38, but smaller people really don't need the stiffness and extra weight.

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I’m a smaller person (173cm, 75kg) and love the stiffness of my 38 and do not care about the “extra” weight. I hated the flex of...

I’m a smaller person (173cm, 75kg) and love the stiffness of my 38 and do not care about the “extra” weight. I hated the flex of the current gen 36.

Please don’t tell me what you think I need 😉

 

i'm also thinking about creaking CSUs being a reason not to go longer on the 36. not that it can't/didn't occur on the short travel versions, but the added stress / length certainly won't help things.

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3/21/2025 2:17pm
chriskief wrote:

What about that other new Fox single crown that was rumored a while back?

Something more aggressive than the 38? Perhaps aimed at the Crestline crowd?

jonkranked wrote:

could be ebike only? might make sense to offer it with 1.8 steerer only.  IIRC those are only offered as OEM only currently. 

Pretty sure the rumor was 1.5 and 1.8... and 20mm.

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3/21/2025 2:17pm
Which is a shame, because overlap is what's best for consumers. I'm a big lad and probably need a 38, but smaller people really don't need...

Which is a shame, because overlap is what's best for consumers. I'm a big lad and probably need a 38, but smaller people really don't need the stiffness and extra weight.

TimBud wrote:
I’m a smaller person (173cm, 75kg) and love the stiffness of my 38 and do not care about the “extra” weight. I hated the flex of...

I’m a smaller person (173cm, 75kg) and love the stiffness of my 38 and do not care about the “extra” weight. I hated the flex of the current gen 36.

Please don’t tell me what you think I need 😉

 

While it's nice that the lack of choice ended up working for you, that's not the reality for many people.

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Makes that current Stumpy 15 deal tempting 

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The MTBR Ibis forum had someone who spotted the new Ibis Ripmo AF frame in Santa Cruz, one black and one raw alloy. Interested to see what changes they make (if any) compared to the V3 Ripmo carbon.

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TimBud
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While it's nice that the lack of choice ended up working for you, that's not the reality for many people.

There’s masses of choice for us.

The new slightly less expensive Intend fork has just added another one… and that just in forks.


This thread and its many many tangents is proof of how spoiled we are

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wande001 wrote:
The MTBR Ibis forum had someone who spotted the new Ibis Ripmo AF frame in Santa Cruz, one black and one raw alloy. Interested to see...

The MTBR Ibis forum had someone who spotted the new Ibis Ripmo AF frame in Santa Cruz, one black and one raw alloy. Interested to see what changes they make (if any) compared to the V3 Ripmo carbon.

It makes sense - while the Ripmo and Ripley aren't too terribly outdated by any means, they are getting "long in the tooth" by bike industry standards. Also, it makes sense that they'd want to update to the new design language of the HD6, carbon Ripmo, and carbon Ripley. 

The sales on the prior gen stuff is the biggest hint in my opinion. Sure, the market is in a tough spot to begin with, but the value the AF models offer at 25-35% off is really solid. They had a good number of new RIpley AF SLX bikes marked down to $1999 on the final day of Sedona MTB Festival last weekend. I'm by no means in the market for another bike, but if I wasn't in the middle of building a carbon Norco Fluid for my fiancé, I may have left the festival with one for her.

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3/21/2025 10:50pm
Splayleg wrote:

How much are they? I clicked on the link but didn’t see a price 

Carraig042 wrote:

$550 with I9 1/1 hubs if you back the Kickstarter. Another $150 after will be regular.

Isn't kickstarter supposed to be for new, innovative products or companies? I don't think a middle of the road alloy wheelset from an existing company fits...

Isn't kickstarter supposed to be for new, innovative products or companies? I don't think a middle of the road alloy wheelset from an existing company fits that description. 

What a joke. A kick starter for a rim that won’t be as good as Anything dt does 

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chriskief wrote:
So we're likely to see...- Fox 34 / 36 + Float X2 / DH X2- Specialized Levo w/ 100nm+ motor- 2 new Yeti ebikes likely with...

So we're likely to see...

- Fox 34 / 36 + Float X2 / DH X2
- Specialized Levo w/ 100nm+ motor
- 2 new Yeti ebikes likely with Bosch
- Wireless XTR + updated brakes, maybe XT as well
- Mechanical SRAM Transmission

What else?

samnation wrote:

I believe there's a new enduro coming with ubb suspension and a new Santa Cruz bullet Bosch.

New Scott Gambler? Spesh Demo/Enduro? Jekyll, Spartan, Chainsaw, Slayer getting any love? Is Giant releasing new eebs?

Slayer is relatively new.

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3/22/2025 3:22am
Carraig042 wrote:

$550 with I9 1/1 hubs if you back the Kickstarter. Another $150 after will be regular.

Isn't kickstarter supposed to be for new, innovative products or companies? I don't think a middle of the road alloy wheelset from an existing company fits...

Isn't kickstarter supposed to be for new, innovative products or companies? I don't think a middle of the road alloy wheelset from an existing company fits that description. 

What a joke. A kick starter for a rim that won’t be as good as Anything dt does 

None of dt's alloy rims are offset or have angular holes drilled.

So they're at least trying something different. 

Why knock a small company having a crack? 

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Isn't kickstarter supposed to be for new, innovative products or companies? I don't think a middle of the road alloy wheelset from an existing company fits...

Isn't kickstarter supposed to be for new, innovative products or companies? I don't think a middle of the road alloy wheelset from an existing company fits that description. 

What a joke. A kick starter for a rim that won’t be as good as Anything dt does 

None of dt's alloy rims are offset or have angular holes drilled.

So they're at least trying something different. 

Why knock a small company having a crack? 

DT for sure has left to right orientation of drilled holes, not sure about back and forth. Maybe not 4d (I guess that's what 4d is, left, right and back, forth oriented), but definitely not drilled straight. 

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MTB spoke drilling holes and innovation 🙃

I'm gonna keep ex471-ing until DT stops production, it is the tried an true, gold standar for a reason. Assymetrical, 4d whatever ads no value. They are even the perfect width for gravity tires. Or are they?

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Ryde have been doing angled drilling of aluminium rims for over a decade https://www.ryde.nl/technology/ it's nothing new. 

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3/22/2025 7:51am
Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800 WH battery under 50...

Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800 WH battery under 50 pounds? Very cool.

https://www.norco.com/bikes/e-mountain/e-all-mountain/sight-vlt-cx/25-sight-vlt-cx-c2/


 

 

Rejoice at a company actually putting the big battery on the bike instead of 600wh + range extender = heavier than an 800wh internal. Of all the new bikes with the new Bosch stuff (Reuglator, Vala, who else am I missing?) The Trek Rail was the only one to have the 800wh. (enough juice to actually do a "self shuttle day")

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Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800 WH battery under 50...

Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800 WH battery under 50 pounds? Very cool.

https://www.norco.com/bikes/e-mountain/e-all-mountain/sight-vlt-cx/25-sight-vlt-cx-c2/


 

 

They had it up on their website probably 2 months ago. 

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jsray wrote:

They had it up on their website probably 2 months ago. 

I’m not saying I browse the website every day to check on these things, but I don’t remember seeing full specs and models listed. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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3/22/2025 9:57am
Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800 WH battery under 50...

Looks like Norco quietly dropped the new generation Sight VLT. Probably to keep up with Transition dropping the Regulator CX recently. 800 WH battery under 50 pounds? Very cool.

https://www.norco.com/bikes/e-mountain/e-all-mountain/sight-vlt-cx/25-sight-vlt-cx-c2/


 

 

Rejoice at a company actually putting the big battery on the bike instead of 600wh + range extender = heavier than an 800wh internal. Of all...

Rejoice at a company actually putting the big battery on the bike instead of 600wh + range extender = heavier than an 800wh internal. Of all the new bikes with the new Bosch stuff (Reuglator, Vala, who else am I missing?) The Trek Rail was the only one to have the 800wh. (enough juice to actually do a "self shuttle day")

For those in Europe, the new Haibike AllMtn has an 800wh.

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Orbea DH on FMD team camp? 🤔

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Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? 
relabeled Jekyll and habit given the shared ownership of Cannondale/GT?

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Intend being open with the carbon 

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Fair points

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Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? relabeled Jekyll and habit given...

Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? 
relabeled Jekyll and habit given the shared ownership of Cannondale/GT?

They're currently all sold out on their b2b for the majority of all their bikes. I think they're making a comeback with a stripped back line next year but we'll just have to wait and see. 

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Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? relabeled Jekyll and habit given...

Anyone hear anything about the new GT Force and Sensor? What are they gonna do with the frames now that they folded?? 
relabeled Jekyll and habit given the shared ownership of Cannondale/GT?

Eae903 wrote:
They're currently all sold out on their b2b for the majority of all their bikes. I think they're making a comeback with a stripped back line...

They're currently all sold out on their b2b for the majority of all their bikes. I think they're making a comeback with a stripped back line next year but we'll just have to wait and see. 

I may ir may not have seen a something from someone, somewhere somehow with renders of the new Force and Sensor about 2 weeks before GT folded, and if the internet has taught me something in all its years is that if there’s a render, then somewhere there is a mold…

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3/22/2025 11:16pm
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MTB spoke drilling holes and innovation 🙃I'm gonna keep ex471-ing until DT stops production, it is the tried an true, gold standar for a reason. Assymetrical...

MTB spoke drilling holes and innovation 🙃

I'm gonna keep ex471-ing until DT stops production, it is the tried an true, gold standar for a reason. Assymetrical, 4d whatever ads no value. They are even the perfect width for gravity tires. Or are they?

Okay the width thing. Never understood why rim widths past 27mm are advertised as good or better? They just feel like they have my resistance when climbing with no added benefit of actual grip. Like Im puzzled that companies like DT push the idea of needing a 30mm+ wide rim/wheel when their pro racers are running EX471s which I think is 25mm if Im not mistaken. Is it a durability warranty work around? 

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More initial grip Is a benefit of wide rims... suits alot of pinky riders because they ride upright and dont lean the bike lol

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FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running 30 mm rims. 

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3/23/2025 12:48am
Primoz wrote:
FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running...

FWIW, Jack Moir is running EX1700 rims (laced to 240 hubs). If there's nothing shady going on (rebranded 471s for the sake of looks), he's running 30 mm rims. 

Not to mention all the non DT pros are using 30mm rims, Enve, crank brothers, Reserve etc are all 30mm internal. 

I do think 25-28mm is better, but only a handful of racers have access to them as most are using sponsors carbon rims that are 30mm for consumers.

Who is still run 471's other than specialized gravity? 

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Troy Brosnan does I think. 

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2026  Fox 36SL confirmed?

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