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TimBud
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2/4/2025 11:40am
chriskief wrote:

Drive side seat stay appears to have let go.

Yeah the shock looks like its barely compressed past sag too

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2/4/2025 11:43am

Wonder if that snap has anything to do with the Pivot having a flex stay. It's not a "true dw6" like the Atherton A series bikes - they cut one of the pivots out in favor for a flex stay. 

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2/4/2025 11:49am
thresh wrote:

Shock looks dusty at https://youtu.be/smvc8h3F47Q?t=1134


But the chainstay is dusty too…

I watched the Jack Moir video earlier today, and IIRC bernard was riding later on in the vid as well in the later features. So if the video is filmed from top>bottom, he was riding a spare already.

2/4/2025 11:54am

Clearly it's an early 2000's Demo 8

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Theo: "We had a great morning Bernie, cracking lunch" 🤣

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Clearly it's an early 2000's Demo 8

Clearly it's an early 2000's Demo 8

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You trying to give me washers/shims/sticky grease/use a ball point pen flashbacks? 🙃

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Theo: "We had a great morning Bernie, cracking lunch" 🤣
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Theo: "We had a great morning Bernie, cracking lunch" 🤣

I'm guessing the audio cutting out on BK's video as he hits that drop is no mistake.

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2/4/2025 12:34pm

New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

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2/4/2025 12:38pm

That part of frames is also very often in the ''hit zone'' of over enthusiastic baggage handlers. 

Long interconti flights + multiple baggage handlers + cardboard box could've easily taken a hit during travels that might not be easily spotted when unpacking but gave way under riding. 

 

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Sven_Claas wrote:
That part of frames is also very often in the ''hit zone'' of over enthusiastic baggage handlers. Long interconti flights + multiple baggage handlers + cardboard box...

That part of frames is also very often in the ''hit zone'' of over enthusiastic baggage handlers. 

Long interconti flights + multiple baggage handlers + cardboard box could've easily taken a hit during travels that might not be easily spotted when unpacking but gave way under riding. 

 

I am always staggered by the amount that of pro riders that still insist on using cardboard bike boxes.

Common an Evoc (other brands are available) isn’t thta expensive in the long run, especially with the number of flights they take each year

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2/4/2025 12:44pm

If the saddle is too low on that Bronco "bike" you may destroy your knees, unless it accelerates with a trigger and you just sit passively on it.

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if you want a laugh, here’s the bronco ebike. Apparently the motocross-style saddle is awesome for exploring long trails where you can make the most of...

if you want a laugh, here’s the bronco ebike. Apparently the motocross-style saddle is awesome for exploring long trails where you can make the most of the 60 mile range. just in case you want your balls to fall off.


 


 

"Lots of people liked this, lets use that color and the saddle"

 

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iceman2058 wrote:
Atherton unveiling the new S.200 alloy DH bike, on course at Red Bull Hardline Tasmania this week:

Atherton unveiling the new S.200 alloy DH bike, on course at Red Bull Hardline Tasmania this week:

gee.jpg?VersionId=GP3NFmXEn7rYfxVKcHqmrL6i YbelDG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1003 1  1DG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1004 1DG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1006

Maybe my memory stopped working but anyone knows why the switch to Alu bonded frame for the DH ? What is the rationale behind it ?

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2/4/2025 12:56pm
iceman2058 wrote:
Atherton unveiling the new S.200 alloy DH bike, on course at Red Bull Hardline Tasmania this week:

Atherton unveiling the new S.200 alloy DH bike, on course at Red Bull Hardline Tasmania this week:

gee.jpg?VersionId=GP3NFmXEn7rYfxVKcHqmrL6i YbelDG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1003 1  1DG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1004 1DG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1006
Aksel_Lfft wrote:

Maybe my memory stopped working but anyone knows why the switch to Alu bonded frame for the DH ? What is the rationale behind it ?

It's not a switch, it's an addition and IIRC they're supposed to be a bit less expensive...

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sprungmass wrote:
New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

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Thats neat but who makes the frame? Im intrigued

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sprungmass wrote:
New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

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Thats neat but who makes the frame? Im intrigued

https://cdurobikes.com/

Pretty neat stuff. Steel FS look but composite build.

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2/4/2025 1:26pm
iceman2058 wrote:
Atherton unveiling the new S.200 alloy DH bike, on course at Red Bull Hardline Tasmania this week:

Atherton unveiling the new S.200 alloy DH bike, on course at Red Bull Hardline Tasmania this week:

gee.jpg?VersionId=GP3NFmXEn7rYfxVKcHqmrL6i YbelDG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1003 1  1DG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1004 1DG Hardline Tasmania 2025 S.200-1006
Aksel_Lfft wrote:

Maybe my memory stopped working but anyone knows why the switch to Alu bonded frame for the DH ? What is the rationale behind it ?

Just a secondary model. Less expensive, CNC instead of printed lugs. They have been marketing more as a park bike than race bike. Also has DW4 suspension, rather than DW6 on race(Ti/carbon) frame.

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2/4/2025 1:36pm
Nicolas M. wrote:

Looks like Bernard Kerr snapped his Phoenix frame at Hardline off the board cliff drop...

https://youtu.be/5Zi87e4V5UA?t=1193

jazza_wil wrote:
Looks permanently bottomed out all the way around the berm. Maybe a shock bolt or something but something looks funky with the rear end 

Looks permanently bottomed out all the way around the berm. Maybe a shock bolt or something but something looks funky with the rear end 

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Heard the rear triangle is very very weak on this bike hence the insane light weight of the frame.  Hope it holds up 

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Thanks all for the head's up ! Missed the info for sure 

P.S: Love being downvoted for asking a simple question 😅

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chriskief wrote:

Drive side seat stay appears to have let go.

Etney wrote:
Yeah, sure looks like it snapped in half.  Should probably not look like this

Yeah, sure looks like it snapped in half. 

 

Should probably not look like this
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Can't wait for Pivots next HQ video about why the bike failed and them trying to claw back the customers 

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2/4/2025 2:11pm
sprungmass wrote:
New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

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Its some form or air+coil shock they are working on.

It was on an Alutech bike at the Craft Bike Days show back in november as well - I have a bunch of screenshots from it. But intend hasnt released any info other than its not being released any time soon (said a few months ago)
 

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They also have an airshock without the dual chambers in the works, so probably a twin tube design, for bikes that cant fit their normal Hover. Not sure if its something that we'll ever see - But this is one of the few pics I know of it:
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2/4/2025 2:15pm Edited Date/Time 2/4/2025 2:18pm

Re BK's bike. Look at the angle of the rear wheel as he lands. 
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And the audio is muted on his POV clip in his video when he hits the drop: https://youtu.be/smvc8h3F47Q?si=EsZcoCKF79KcXaHy&t=1098 

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2/4/2025 2:17pm
Aksel_Lfft wrote:

Thanks all for the head's up ! Missed the info for sure 

P.S: Love being downvoted for asking a simple question 😅

Use google next time. 

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re: bernard's wheel at such a peculiar angle - we have a thread about that 😬 

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2/4/2025 2:37pm
oolex wrote:
Re BK's bike. Look at the angle of the rear wheel as he lands. And the audio is muted on his POV clip in his video when...

Re BK's bike. Look at the angle of the rear wheel as he lands. 
image 185.png?VersionId=dxoV9wj26


And the audio is muted on his POV clip in his video when he hits the drop: https://youtu.be/smvc8h3F47Q?si=EsZcoCKF79KcXaHy&t=1098 

Seems like he actually just lowered the volume to the minium, because there is sound for me in that clip, had to raise it to 100% but. Doesnt sound very good

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2/4/2025 2:45pm
Nicolas M. wrote:

Looks like Bernard Kerr snapped his Phoenix frame at Hardline off the board cliff drop...

https://youtu.be/5Zi87e4V5UA?t=1193

jazza_wil wrote:
Looks permanently bottomed out all the way around the berm. Maybe a shock bolt or something but something looks funky with the rear end 

Looks permanently bottomed out all the way around the berm. Maybe a shock bolt or something but something looks funky with the rear end 

IMG 0221 0

Heard the rear triangle is very very weak on this bike hence the insane light weight of the frame.  Hope it holds up 

Ahh, the 2015 Yeti approach.


That’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off.

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2/4/2025 3:54pm
jazza_wil wrote:
Looks permanently bottomed out all the way around the berm. Maybe a shock bolt or something but something looks funky with the rear end 

Looks permanently bottomed out all the way around the berm. Maybe a shock bolt or something but something looks funky with the rear end 

IMG 0221 0

Heard the rear triangle is very very weak on this bike hence the insane light weight of the frame.  Hope it holds up 

Nobble wrote:

Ahh, the 2015 Yeti approach.


That’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off.

So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time when the "pre production" frames had thin chainstays which cracked very easily. But it was just that very small number of initial bikes, I think we sold 2 SB6's from the batch and yeah they broke but the dozens that followed were fine in that regard (not perfrect bikes but the chainstays were actually fixed). But that reputation definitely stuck with Yeti which is a shame since it was such a small number of bikes, as opposed to a brand that has repeated similar failures

With the pivot - I'm no fan of armchair engineering but I looked up the spec and they claim 35 pounds for the complete bike?! There is a crazy amount of extra hardware so theres not much left for the frame tubes 😬 I don't get why companies still insist on cutting out so much weight from their bikes! It's a completely different manufacturing process to the prototypes so why wouldn't they beef it up just to be safe?

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So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time...

So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time when the "pre production" frames had thin chainstays which cracked very easily. But it was just that very small number of initial bikes, I think we sold 2 SB6's from the batch and yeah they broke but the dozens that followed were fine in that regard (not perfrect bikes but the chainstays were actually fixed). But that reputation definitely stuck with Yeti which is a shame since it was such a small number of bikes, as opposed to a brand that has repeated similar failures

With the pivot - I'm no fan of armchair engineering but I looked up the spec and they claim 35 pounds for the complete bike?! There is a crazy amount of extra hardware so theres not much left for the frame tubes 😬 I don't get why companies still insist on cutting out so much weight from their bikes! It's a completely different manufacturing process to the prototypes so why wouldn't they beef it up just to be safe?

I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.


I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.

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2/4/2025 4:32pm
sprungmass wrote:
New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

New coil shock by Intend? 🤤

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Etney wrote:
Its some form or air+coil shock they are working on.It was on an Alutech bike at the Craft Bike Days show back in november as well...

Its some form or air+coil shock they are working on.

It was on an Alutech bike at the Craft Bike Days show back in november as well - I have a bunch of screenshots from it. But intend hasnt released any info other than its not being released any time soon (said a few months ago)
 

6d72724bbd10a1e9a1a00e684576f5c7.png?VersionId=r3SVGBjcxNz8llFk

 

They also have an airshock without the dual chambers in the works, so probably a twin tube design, for bikes that cant fit their normal Hover. Not sure if its something that we'll ever see - But this is one of the few pics I know of it:
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side question...what is this balfa-esque frame are we looking at here?!

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apparently some guy mated a new front triangle to a balfa bb7 rear. pretty cool! (image found on fb):

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