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chriskief
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12/18/2024 10:23am
chriskief wrote:
LOLIt's GeX, not GX!There are 3 battery vents, not 5!The parts aren't cheap, they're cost optimized!Our .us website is registered in Alaska, the C31/CN registrar nexus...

LOL

It's GeX, not GX!
There are 3 battery vents, not 5!
The parts aren't cheap, they're cost optimized!
Our .us website is registered in Alaska, the C31/CN registrar nexus category is absolutely not China!

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dwhere wrote:
Yeah, for me its the name and branding. You call its something else and no one makes knockoff accusations. They want people to mistake them for...

Yeah, for me its the name and branding. You call its something else and no one makes knockoff accusations. They want people to mistake them for one another, and that's where it crosses the line. 

sethimus wrote:

noch einer der den unterschied zwischen deren MTB (OX) und Gravel (GeX) Schaltwerk nicht verstanden hat

People are confused by look-a-like branding? Strange.

ex-ballz
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12/18/2024 10:34am

I am waiting for someone to have the ballz to place the battery on stays instead of mounting it on the RD body.

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12/18/2024 11:49am
ex-ballz wrote:

I am waiting for someone to have the ballz to place the battery on stays instead of mounting it on the RD body.

Really wish Di2 mounting in the front triangle would have caught on. Makes total sense now that most frames have frame storage and being able to run the derailleur off the big battery on ebikes.

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12/18/2024 12:06pm
ex-ballz wrote:

I am waiting for someone to have the ballz to place the battery on stays instead of mounting it on the RD body.

Really wish Di2 mounting in the front triangle would have caught on. Makes total sense now that most frames have frame storage and being able to...

Really wish Di2 mounting in the front triangle would have caught on. Makes total sense now that most frames have frame storage and being able to run the derailleur off the big battery on ebikes.

I'd appreciate a hybrid system wherein the battery was held inside the fame somewhere and a power cable ran through the stay to the derailleur and everything else was wireless, but figuring out all the correct lengths of e-tubes you needed to wire the shifter, battery, derailleur(s) all to the DI2 hub thing was a pain in the ass on aftermarket setups. 

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HexonJuan
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12/18/2024 2:08pm
ex-ballz wrote:

I am waiting for someone to have the ballz to place the battery on stays instead of mounting it on the RD body.

Really wish Di2 mounting in the front triangle would have caught on. Makes total sense now that most frames have frame storage and being able to...

Really wish Di2 mounting in the front triangle would have caught on. Makes total sense now that most frames have frame storage and being able to run the derailleur off the big battery on ebikes.

Jotegr wrote:
I'd appreciate a hybrid system wherein the battery was held inside the fame somewhere and a power cable ran through the stay to the derailleur and...

I'd appreciate a hybrid system wherein the battery was held inside the fame somewhere and a power cable ran through the stay to the derailleur and everything else was wireless, but figuring out all the correct lengths of e-tubes you needed to wire the shifter, battery, derailleur(s) all to the DI2 hub thing was a pain in the ass on aftermarket setups. 

This is the direction Archer should have taken. Electric shifting ease, mech shifting replacement costs, and everything tucked outta sight. I am still hoping someone with the pockets picks up the IP and improves on that system. 

 

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HexonJuan
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12/18/2024 2:10pm
chriskief wrote:
Was looking at the IG post that started this.But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the...

Was looking at the IG post that started this.

But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the genre!

Welcome to Wheeltop.us!

Wheeltop.us is an online store. We are committed to providing our customers with A unique, superior and thoughtful online shopping experience. We have high quality manufacturers and suppliers; At the same time, we are constantly optimizing our purchasing and production processes to ensure that our products are of high quality. Please feel free to buy our products on the website.

Our website attaches great importance to customer service, and customers' opinions are important information to promote us to develop, improve and enhance ourselves. If you encounter any difficulties during your consumption, please check out other terms of our website or feel free to contact our staff. Contact information can be found in Contact us.

Thank you again for visiting our website and wish you a happy shopping trip!

HexonJuan wrote:
You can rip on their English translation skills all you want, but I'll wager it's a helluvalot better than your Mandarin. Their derailleur architecture looks more aligned...

You can rip on their English translation skills all you want, but I'll wager it's a helluvalot better than your Mandarin. 

Their derailleur architecture looks more aligned to Sunrace's RDM series, just with a battery pack and servo rather than a pulley and housing stop. 

chriskief wrote:

Less about the translation than the content itself. Lots of words to say very little about who this company is.

Totally, but that can be a bit of a cultural thing as pride/boastfulness is a real rude character trait to have in China.  

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12/18/2024 2:13pm
TimBud wrote:
You’re missing the point.It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One. No I’m not...

You’re missing the point.

It’s only knockoff if it comes from China.

Anyone else can pull this shit and no-one would bat an eyelid. No. One. 


No I’m not going to buy one of their ders, but it is hilarious how publicly quick to offence some people get.

Genuinely looking forward to see how it fares in the review though.

 

Curious to why Madrone and Hopp are allowed to get away with what they’re doing!

It's only knockoff if it comes from China.

Otherwise its just sparkling IP theft. 

Sidenote,

But can we petition for a vital forum comments of the Year award? 

I nominate this, and honorary mention to whoever started crab bike

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nskerb
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12/18/2024 4:15pm
ex-ballz wrote:

I am waiting for someone to have the ballz to place the battery on stays instead of mounting it on the RD body.

Yeah so you can enjoy both routing cables and charging batteries lol.

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TimBud
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12/19/2024 1:13am

Better get the pitchforks out lads the ride vest is made in China

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12/19/2024 3:15am
TimBud wrote:

Better get the pitchforks out lads the ride vest is made in China

Also don't forget to mention I'm openly promoting diabetes. 😁

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TimBud
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12/19/2024 3:27am

🤣

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Cougar797
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12/19/2024 6:25am
iceman2058 wrote:

Also don't forget to mention I'm openly promoting diabetes. 😁

Legend

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12/19/2024 6:30am
ex-ballz wrote:

I am waiting for someone to have the ballz to place the battery on stays instead of mounting it on the RD body.

nskerb wrote:

Yeah so you can enjoy both routing cables and charging batteries lol.

Since we’re talking about Chinese knockoffs the Risk knock off cable routing kit from Ali Express (even found one on Amazon) for $15 was the best tool purchase ever. Since they're that cheap to produce I think they should just be included in the goodie bag that comes with framesets.

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12/19/2024 10:00am
baronKanon wrote:
The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if...

The GeX is a gravel derailleur. The MTB one is OX. You guys even look at the WheelTop web page? I could have tried it if I had a bike to put it on but I haven't.. 

chriskief wrote:
Was looking at the IG post that started this.But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the...

Was looking at the IG post that started this.

But now that you mention it, I thoroughly enjoyed their about us page… a true classic of the genre!

Welcome to Wheeltop.us!

Wheeltop.us is an online store. We are committed to providing our customers with A unique, superior and thoughtful online shopping experience. We have high quality manufacturers and suppliers; At the same time, we are constantly optimizing our purchasing and production processes to ensure that our products are of high quality. Please feel free to buy our products on the website.

Our website attaches great importance to customer service, and customers' opinions are important information to promote us to develop, improve and enhance ourselves. If you encounter any difficulties during your consumption, please check out other terms of our website or feel free to contact our staff. Contact information can be found in Contact us.

Thank you again for visiting our website and wish you a happy shopping trip!

Reminds me of the side hustle people used to push about being a translator for non-English speaking companies looking to make a footprint in the US. 

Maybe I need to learn traditional and Mandarin.

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12/19/2024 2:53pm
Since we’re talking about Chinese knockoffs the Risk knock off cable routing kit from Ali Express (even found one on Amazon) for $15 was the best...

Since we’re talking about Chinese knockoffs the Risk knock off cable routing kit from Ali Express (even found one on Amazon) for $15 was the best tool purchase ever. Since they're that cheap to produce I think they should just be included in the goodie bag that comes with framesets.

+1 got it on Ali for under $5 and using it was sublime after never having an internal routing tool

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12/20/2024 7:16am
Since we’re talking about Chinese knockoffs the Risk knock off cable routing kit from Ali Express (even found one on Amazon) for $15 was the best...

Since we’re talking about Chinese knockoffs the Risk knock off cable routing kit from Ali Express (even found one on Amazon) for $15 was the best tool purchase ever. Since they're that cheap to produce I think they should just be included in the goodie bag that comes with framesets.

+1 got it on Ali for under $5 and using it was sublime after never having an internal routing tool

I'm gonna get downvoted but I actually kinda enjoy internal cable routing with that tool. You get some creative problem solving that isn't frustratingly impossible. It also works great for running speaker wire behind your wall, not that you'll need speakers in your shop since you won't be failing at internal routing for hours anymore.

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12/20/2024 10:27am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2024 2:31pm

Remember when everyone got all up in arms a couple months ago cuz Specialized made a new shock for the new Stumpy that had that scary word associated with it (**proprietary**😱) and it seemed like you had to ride the bike with the shock? Well, we got to go test with Specialized for a few days to see what led them down the path of making a larger volume air shock with two-stages. And we got to ride the Stumpy with some other shocks to see what that's like. (Spoiler: the bike rides just fine with a coil or normal air shock).

Edit: Also made a forum post dedicated to SJ15/Genie for those who have questions, or own the bike and want to add info on setup, issues, solutions to issues, etc. 

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12/20/2024 12:12pm
Remember when everyone got all up in arms a couple months ago cuz Specialized made a new shock for the new Stumpy that had that scary...

Remember when everyone got all up in arms a couple months ago cuz Specialized made a new shock for the new Stumpy that had that scary word associated with it (**proprietary**😱) and it seemed like you had to ride the bike with the shock? Well, we got to go test with Specialized for a few days to see what led them down the path of making a larger volume air shock with two-stages. And we got to ride the Stumpy with some other shocks to see what that's like. (Spoiler: the bike rides just fine with a coil or normal air shock).

Edit: Also made a forum post dedicated to SJ15/Genie for those who have questions, or own the bike and want to add info on setup, issues, solutions to issues, etc. 

Would you put that shock on another bike though?

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12/20/2024 12:20pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2024 2:29pm
Remember when everyone got all up in arms a couple months ago cuz Specialized made a new shock for the new Stumpy that had that scary...

Remember when everyone got all up in arms a couple months ago cuz Specialized made a new shock for the new Stumpy that had that scary word associated with it (**proprietary**😱) and it seemed like you had to ride the bike with the shock? Well, we got to go test with Specialized for a few days to see what led them down the path of making a larger volume air shock with two-stages. And we got to ride the Stumpy with some other shocks to see what that's like. (Spoiler: the bike rides just fine with a coil or normal air shock).

Edit: Also made a forum post dedicated to SJ15/Genie for those who have questions, or own the bike and want to add info on setup, issues, solutions to issues, etc. 

Would you put that shock on another bike though?

Yeah, I would. There are enough ways to manipulate the way it feels that'd it be cool to ride it on different designs. I had a Genie shock show up this week (*was not in a bottle). If/when I have other test bikes that the shock fits I'll toss it on to see what it's like.

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TimBud
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12/21/2024 4:05am

Hel brakes pre-order is open.

Starting from £499, with alot of customisable colour options.

 


Don’t worry, these are made entirely in Devon, UK.

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lickmycrinkle
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12/21/2024 5:11am
TimBud wrote:

Hel brakes pre-order is open.

Starting from £499, with alot of customisable colour options.

 


Don’t worry, these are made entirely in Devon, UK.

SILVER BRAKES MADE IN THE UK?!

WON'T PEOPLE THINK OF THE YORKSHIREMEN THAT ARE NOW OUT OF A JOB?

DISGUSTING

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Onawalk
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12/21/2024 12:26pm
TimBud wrote:

Better get the pitchforks out lads the ride vest is made in China

iceman2058 wrote:

Also don't forget to mention I'm openly promoting diabetes. 😁

Look at you

Out flexxing in yer fancy vest.....It reminds me of my old purple quilted Roach vest (god I miss that vest)

I've been looking for this vest, and cant find it anywhere!!

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Konda
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12/21/2024 1:07pm
TimBud wrote:

Hel brakes pre-order is open.

Starting from £499, with alot of customisable colour options.

 


Don’t worry, these are made entirely in Devon, UK.

SILVER BRAKES MADE IN THE UK?!

WON'T PEOPLE THINK OF THE YORKSHIREMEN THAT ARE NOW OUT OF A JOB?

DISGUSTING

Be reet wor kid

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monarchmason
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12/21/2024 9:47pm

Sidenote,

But can we petition for a vital forum comments of the Year award? 

I nominate this, and honorary mention to whoever started crab bike

Id like to see that. 

Also that would be user @FaahkEet. He first mentions every bike turning into crabs.

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12/22/2024 1:59am

Sidenote,

But can we petition for a vital forum comments of the Year award? 

I nominate this, and honorary mention to whoever started crab bike

Id like to see that. 

Also that would be user @FaahkEet. He first mentions every bike turning into crabs.

He's worthy of having a "King Crab" title added to his profile. All hail!

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AgrAde
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12/22/2024 2:45am

Are brakes the new component that we've realised is easy to make with a run-of-the-mill machine shop?

I expected more cranks to go with the overpopulated machined-stem-and-pedal market, especially since 5dev proved that you don't even need to make a good product to charge stupid amounts for it, but perhaps we're leapfrogging to brakes instead.

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12/22/2024 2:49am

No experience, but I'd say brakes anything but simple. They are a component that gets upgraded often, which makes them interesting to the aftermarket. Everybody needs pedals, but with the way modern bikes and drivetrains are specced and sold, aftermarket cranks are a hard sell in the aftermarket as far as I've thought about things. You have to be VERY special (or chase parts built bikes) to get a sell.

What I honestly don't understand is why people buy the likes of 5DEV (okay, length is a factor here), Actofive (SignatureX, single piece crank), upcoming Lewis crank as, SignatureX at least, the machined crank is heavier and more expensive than what Sram offers in the GX Eagle spec. I get what Garbaruk (and Actofive Signature) are trying to accomplish, which makes sense, but then you have Shimano with their XT crank that is hollow forged. Plus with a bonded crank you always have the chance of delamination (Garbaruk at least bolts it together).

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AgrAde
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12/22/2024 3:20am

Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of fairly straightforward parts. It's not like a rim or a carbon frame where you need expensive tooling and a bunch of special sauce on the engineering side of things to get a functional product. 

Good point on the "cranks come with bikes" statement. Shorter cranks seem like a huge thing at the moment because everyone that's talking about their short cranks online, but the percentage of people actually buying them i guess is really really small. If Shimano would offer the XT in 160 and 155 then it'd probably kill most people's interest in most of the smaller brands, but they'd also have to figure out how to communicate to buyers that their boring looking crank is actually built in a way cooler way than cutting it into shape on a mill.

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TimBud
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12/22/2024 4:11am

Plenty of people have made carbon frames (very good ones too) in their sheds. Who has made a brake in their shed?

Have you ever seen how much a good cnc machine costs?

Fairly sure that HEL are not a "run of the mill" machine shop either... maybe go look them up.

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mtbboy1993
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12/22/2024 4:47am
TimBud wrote:

I think he’s triggered by this

A concert I'm sure many have is if one can have a spare battery and simply swap batteries on the go. One can't on current Wheeltop MTB RD. Also they need to use Matchmaker mount, not their own mount nobody can replace if they break one.

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