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7/18/2024 5:36pm
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(for clarification, i was aware foes was using floating brakes arms back in the early 2000's as i was trackside at the races...just thought the new...

(for clarification, i was aware foes was using floating brakes arms back in the early 2000's as i was trackside at the races...just thought the new foes and saracen suspension layouts and floaters looked similar-ish)

Sorry Spomer yeah I know thats not new for you....I actually had an old Dirt mag close at hand I flicked through to remember some old bikes and thought you could easily written one of the articles in there!

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7/19/2024 8:28am

Designed by a focus group of PB commenters? (that’s neither criticism nor praise)

Also this isn’t a rumor so much as an advertisement.

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7/19/2024 9:00am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2024 9:04am

official status press release - https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/introducing-all-new-status-2

Status 2 140 $3,500
Status 2 140 ZERO $3,000 (size 0, 27.5/26 mini mullet)
Status 2 170 $3,500
Status 2 170 DH    $4,500
Status 2 170 ZERO $3,000 (size 0, 27.5/26 mini mullet)
Status 2 170 Frameset $2,000

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7/19/2024 9:06am

God damn that’s an ugly paint job

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7/19/2024 9:26am

Cant wait till they're $1200 bucks on buy/sell 

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7/19/2024 9:30am

In a sense I half expected the 140 status to be the alloy stumpjumper - even though Mr. Hunter's bike is clearly very different than what we started seeing of the status a little while ago. Strange, it seems to me those bikes will have significant overlap aside from some geometry tweaks and the suspension tech features in the new stumpy. I wonder what the opening price stumpy will be? Traditionally they have had a pretty affordable base alloy spec.

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7/19/2024 9:40am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2024 3:13pm

The ally stumpy is going to have to be good to beat that.

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7/19/2024 10:23am
nskerb wrote:

God damn that’s an ugly paint job

Why this came to mind I don't know:

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7/19/2024 1:18pm
nskerb wrote:

God damn that’s an ugly paint job

Why this came to mind I don't know:

Why this came to mind I don't know:

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7/19/2024 2:25pm

I kind of hope, somehow, they are able to add a mullet flip chip or something when they redo the drop outs for the Enduro. That would be neat. But Im expecting them to just remove the holes for cables because F us right 😈

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7/19/2024 2:42pm

Really? A minor update for their most outdated bike? Bizarre

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7/19/2024 3:19pm
WarrenB wrote:

Really? A minor update for their most outdated bike? Bizarre

Not if they have a pile of front triangles laying around 

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7/19/2024 3:25pm Edited Date/Time 7/19/2024 3:26pm

Yeah, odd  they just didn’t do a Stumpy Evo-esq update last year. Adjustable head cups etc. Just modernise the geo a tad, keep the suspension layout the same and do a full redesign after the proto demo becomes production. Maybe they didn’t want to invest in the moulds due to the covid slump and thought they’d skip a generation 🤷 

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7/19/2024 5:22pm
Foes was nearly 30 years ago! The yeti DH-8 lawwill bikes had a mini brake arm, Cannondale too. Interestingly Sunn, Vprocesse and Honda bikes didn't, despite...

Foes was nearly 30 years ago! The yeti DH-8 lawwill bikes had a mini brake arm, Cannondale too. Interestingly Sunn, Vprocesse and Honda bikes didn't, despite being designs you would think suited it, and being very advanced bikes for their time. (they may have tried it but it certainly wasn't their standard choice)

 

I think they are a cool idea - combined with chain idlers you can theoretically decouple the drivetrain, braking and wheelpath characteristics and adjust them all independently. Obviously this is a lot of extra complication but they can be a powerful tuning tool!

foes mofo bike

The VProcess also used one at one stage I saw an image of it the other day I’ll upload when I find it, orange also used a brake arm, even the Tomac 204 Lawwill tested it on some of the team bikes. 

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7/19/2024 5:29pm Edited Date/Time 7/19/2024 5:29pm
WarrenB wrote:

Really? A minor update for their most outdated bike? Bizarre

Rumor I heard was that there were major production issues that set the Enduro back a whole year…

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7/19/2024 6:25pm
WarrenB wrote:

Really? A minor update for their most outdated bike? Bizarre

Rumor I heard was that there were major production issues that set the Enduro back a whole year…

This jives with what I have heard around and through the grapevine, too. I guess the bikes were damn near ready to go, but something happened when scaling them up for full production. Last I heard there was not even a hint of an ETA for release. 

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7/19/2024 8:10pm
WarrenB wrote:

Really? A minor update for their most outdated bike? Bizarre

Rumor I heard was that there were major production issues that set the Enduro back a whole year…

TayRob wrote:
This jives with what I have heard around and through the grapevine, too. I guess the bikes were damn near ready to go, but something happened...

This jives with what I have heard around and through the grapevine, too. I guess the bikes were damn near ready to go, but something happened when scaling them up for full production. Last I heard there was not even a hint of an ETA for release. 

Yep that’s what I heard. 

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7/19/2024 11:40pm
WarrenB wrote:

Really? A minor update for their most outdated bike? Bizarre

Not if they have a pile of front triangles laying around 

Do they? With all the warranties and issues the front triangle had I would expect rear triangles being in the surplus...

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7/20/2024 1:33am
WarrenB wrote:

Really? A minor update for their most outdated bike? Bizarre

Not if they have a pile of front triangles laying around 

Primoz wrote:

Do they? With all the warranties and issues the front triangle had I would expect rear triangles being in the surplus...

Beat me to it Primoz!

They would have a mountain of rear triangles because of the insane failure rate of the front triangles from not 1, but 4 common points of failure.

I can only assume production issues mean they went with the complicated pull link design seen on the prototype demo?

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7/20/2024 1:55am

Specialized has great warranty support, they give you a whole new frame, not just the failed part. And there were also issues with seatstays, a lot of people broke them. I don't believe there is any surplus.

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7/20/2024 2:40am

Not if they have a pile of front triangles laying around 

Primoz wrote:

Do they? With all the warranties and issues the front triangle had I would expect rear triangles being in the surplus...

Beat me to it Primoz!They would have a mountain of rear triangles because of the insane failure rate of the front triangles from not 1, but...

Beat me to it Primoz!

They would have a mountain of rear triangles because of the insane failure rate of the front triangles from not 1, but 4 common points of failure.

I can only assume production issues mean they went with the complicated pull link design seen on the prototype demo?

Isn’t it funny how this is a known issue yet nobody gives shit to Specialized for the amount of failures while other brands that have a few broken frames here and there ( that get replaced under warranty) takes shit for years and years?

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7/20/2024 2:56am

Because Specialized handle it so well.

Whereas a lot of other brands begrudge warranty and make any claims an absolute ballache.


The amount of failures is also directly related for the amount they sell too. Proportionally it’s probably very similar to everyone else.

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7/20/2024 6:08am

Sooo I knew the frames had a week spot. But 4 of them? Could someone tell me what those 4 are?

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7/20/2024 8:24am

Sooo I knew the frames had a week spot. But 4 of them? Could someone tell me what those 4 are?

On the front triangle id have to assume they are head tube, down tube, seat tube, and top tube. 

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7/20/2024 10:35am

Sooo I knew the frames had a week spot. But 4 of them? Could someone tell me what those 4 are?

The common issues on Enduro frames I know of are:

1. Early sworks frames came with a carbon pull-link. These had issues breaking.

2. The integrated headset bearing races have issues cracking and delaminating

3. They've had issues cracking on the seat tube where the rocker link pivot goes through.

As far as I know, the only one that's still common-ish is the headset.

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7/20/2024 10:46am

Sooo I knew the frames had a week spot. But 4 of them? Could someone tell me what those 4 are?

Nobble wrote:
The common issues on Enduro frames I know of are:1. Early sworks frames came with a carbon pull-link. These had issues breaking.2. The integrated headset bearing...

The common issues on Enduro frames I know of are:

1. Early sworks frames came with a carbon pull-link. These had issues breaking.

2. The integrated headset bearing races have issues cracking and delaminating

3. They've had issues cracking on the seat tube where the rocker link pivot goes through.

As far as I know, the only one that's still common-ish is the headset.

#1 was fixed by moving to an alloy link. The old carbon link is still shown in the manual, but no longer available.

The other two were supposedly fixed by beefed up layups.

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7/20/2024 11:23am

Anyone know what DT Swiss have in the works? Some of their riders (Richie Rude, Danny Hart etc) running plain silver/white coloured wheels with no graphics on them


Would love to see a re-released ex1750 wheelset 

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Anyone know what DT Swiss have in the works? Some of their riders (Richie Rude, Danny Hart etc) running plain silver/white coloured wheels with no graphics...

Anyone know what DT Swiss have in the works? Some of their riders (Richie Rude, Danny Hart etc) running plain silver/white coloured wheels with no graphics on them


Would love to see a re-released ex1750 wheelset 

Not sure, but I know they’re not helping Trickstuff improve their manufacturing efficiency 

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7/20/2024 8:23pm Edited Date/Time 7/20/2024 8:24pm
Anyone know what DT Swiss have in the works? Some of their riders (Richie Rude, Danny Hart etc) running plain silver/white coloured wheels with no graphics...

Anyone know what DT Swiss have in the works? Some of their riders (Richie Rude, Danny Hart etc) running plain silver/white coloured wheels with no graphics on them


Would love to see a re-released ex1750 wheelset 

How would it differ from an EX1700 with white paint?

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EX 1750 is going to a blast from the past. Google it. 

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