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Losifer
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6/19/2024 11:15am
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

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6/19/2024 11:23am

New warden is a mullet and 170mm travel, with a max of 180mm in the rear.  Also there's a new delirium coming too.

Manitou forks are so far ahead of the competition.  Can't recommend them enough.  

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6/19/2024 11:23am
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount for a while now.

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HexonJuan
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6/19/2024 12:32pm
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

dolface wrote:
I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount...

I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount for a while now.

Got on a deal for a Mezzer Exp and added the IRT. Pal recently upgraded from his factory 38 to a Mezz Pro as a result of a couple test rides on my bike. Hayes/Manitou have been on a tear the last 5 years.

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6/19/2024 2:25pm
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

Rumor is new Mara Pro coming soon, maybe a new Mezzer to go with it? 

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6/19/2024 3:13pm
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

dolface wrote:
I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount...

I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount for a while now.

I know i finally got some Dominions and daaaaaaayummmm, that control but also they grab like crazy. And my hands aren't tired even on long steeps. This is coming from XT's.

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6/19/2024 4:26pm
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

Rumor is new Mara Pro coming soon, maybe a new Mezzer to go with it? 

Buddy of mine tried buying the Mara (not pro with piggyback) and they said they said "we won't be getting any more of those in stock, stay tuned". 

Either discontinuing them or updating them. 

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6/19/2024 6:52pm
Buddy of mine tried buying the Mara (not pro with piggyback) and they said they said "we won't be getting any more of those in stock...

Buddy of mine tried buying the Mara (not pro with piggyback) and they said they said "we won't be getting any more of those in stock, stay tuned". 

Either discontinuing them or updating them. 

The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an otherwise decent shock package. I doubt sales have been strong for either shock, and I would not be surprised if Manitou introduced an updated version with a self-equalizing (or at least adjustable) air spring.

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6/19/2024 11:41pm
nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Finkill wrote:
Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to...

Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to be separated into different metals and recycled. Scrap metal is worth money.

Yep that was what we were doing in my bike shop, the guy I sold it to has continued to do the same.

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HexonJuan
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6/20/2024 6:59am
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

Rumor is new Mara Pro coming soon, maybe a new Mezzer to go with it? 

I can only hope. I nabbed one for my Trance X and was way bummed that even with the short reservoir it doesn't clear the downtube at bottom out. Modelled a new res that should work as I was able to nip a bit over 4mm off the length and still use existing internals, but I gotta rebuild the lathe before trying to cut threads and hone a bore, much less pull the bottom out bumper and see if there'd still be clearance in a worst-case scenario bottom out.  If there's a new unit coming, selfishly I am hoping that there's a retrofittable res that will clear, but I would not be surprised if they went with a res set up cross length to nip any length fitment issues in the bud.

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6/20/2024 7:04am
dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

Rumor is new Mara Pro coming soon, maybe a new Mezzer to go with it? 

Here’s hoping they’d introduce a double-crown Mezzer to have a dh-light fork up there! (fingers crossed!)

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6/20/2024 7:29am

Wasn't there a mention that there won't be a coil flight attendant shock? Or was that a technically correct statement of a 'no coil Super Deluxe flight attendant'?

6/20/2024 7:30am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2024 7:30am
The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an...

The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an otherwise decent shock package. I doubt sales have been strong for either shock, and I would not be surprised if Manitou introduced an updated version with a self-equalizing (or at least adjustable) air spring.

Yep. I'm hoping for some change in negative spring. I've got a Mara Pro on my Propain Hugene and feel like I'm between the two volume air cans.

With the king can (high volume, more linear spring) it bottoms out too easily. I'd like to add more air pressure but I end up with basically zero sag. I'm currently running the smaller air can (more progression) and it is a hair too progressive and it is almost impossible to use the last bit of travel. 

With an adjustable or self equalizing negative spring I think the king can would work. 

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6/20/2024 8:39am

Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this morning I just got back from a 3000+ vert ride in the sun and I sweated like Fauci at a Senate hearing but when I got home my wife commented how my merino wool jersey (51%, $25 on sale at EVO) had 0 BO smell. This isn't the first time this miracle has manifested. Also, I feel it is excellent in the cold (sub 55 degrees) and heat as well. 

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6/20/2024 9:01am
Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this...

Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this morning I just got back from a 3000+ vert ride in the sun and I sweated like Fauci at a Senate hearing but when I got home my wife commented how my merino wool jersey (51%, $25 on sale at EVO) had 0 BO smell. This isn't the first time this miracle has manifested. Also, I feel it is excellent in the cold (sub 55 degrees) and heat as well. 

Not sure I'd class Merino wool as a tech rumour, having been around since the 13th century...

But I'll agree it's the best material for pretty well any sports-related activity. I'm partial to Mons Royal stuff, especially the merino chamois shorts. Costco always has some version of a Merino shirt for sale, probably the best deal you can get. 

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6/20/2024 9:19am
Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this...

Is clothing technology permitted in this tech thread? Or does it have to be rumor related as well? Because I'm a stinky guy, but man this morning I just got back from a 3000+ vert ride in the sun and I sweated like Fauci at a Senate hearing but when I got home my wife commented how my merino wool jersey (51%, $25 on sale at EVO) had 0 BO smell. This isn't the first time this miracle has manifested. Also, I feel it is excellent in the cold (sub 55 degrees) and heat as well. 

How about starting a “things that work well” thread?  

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6/20/2024 10:41am
Dave_Camp wrote:

How about starting a “things that work well” thread?  

Steel bolts work pretty well.

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6/20/2024 10:59am
TEAMROBOT wrote:

Steel bolts work pretty well.

What alloy and coating? 
 

devils in the details 

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dolface
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6/20/2024 11:41am
Dave_Camp wrote:

What alloy and coating? 
 

devils in the details 

"devil's..." Wink

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6/20/2024 2:34pm
The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an...

The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an otherwise decent shock package. I doubt sales have been strong for either shock, and I would not be surprised if Manitou introduced an updated version with a self-equalizing (or at least adjustable) air spring.

Yep. I'm hoping for some change in negative spring. I've got a Mara Pro on my Propain Hugene and feel like I'm between the two volume...

Yep. I'm hoping for some change in negative spring. I've got a Mara Pro on my Propain Hugene and feel like I'm between the two volume air cans.

With the king can (high volume, more linear spring) it bottoms out too easily. I'd like to add more air pressure but I end up with basically zero sag. I'm currently running the smaller air can (more progression) and it is a hair too progressive and it is almost impossible to use the last bit of travel. 

With an adjustable or self equalizing negative spring I think the king can would work. 

The Mara Pro has some incredible qualities; however it needs an independently adjustable negative chamber.

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6/20/2024 3:17pm
Dave_Camp wrote:

What alloy and coating? 
 

devils in the details 

I don't know, but the worst steel bolts I've ever used on a bicycle have still been better than the best aluminum bolts.

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6/20/2024 3:22pm
Dave_Camp wrote:

What alloy and coating? 
 

devils in the details 

TEAMROBOT wrote:

I don't know, but the worst steel bolts I've ever used on a bicycle have still been better than the best aluminum bolts.

A lot of bikes would be about 50% better and more reliable if they just changed most of the fasteners to steel.

 

I only say most because there's probably some where it doesn't matter, although I can't think of it right now

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6/20/2024 3:56pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2024 3:57pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-specializeds-mtb-product-team-on-moving-to-auburn-new-suspension-concepts-and-rider-feedback.html The new Stumpjumper?    

They should sell these in limited quantities and call them the S-Works Stumpjumper Ultimate – a throwback to their OG lugged carbon bike the S-Works Epic Ultimate. I imagine there's a market for these even if they were a $9,999 frameset.

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6/20/2024 4:23pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-specializeds-mtb-product-team-on-moving-to-auburn-new-suspension-concepts-and-rider-feedback.html The new Stumpjumper?    

That's not much seatpost insertion depth

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Seagrave7 wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-specializeds-mtb-product-team-on-moving-to-auburn-new-suspension-concepts-and-rider-feedback.html The new Stumpjumper?    

That's not much seatpost insertion depth

Looks like UDH though so presumably it's a current frame?

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6/20/2024 5:43pm

Why do you think they’re staying with the long yoke as part of their linkage? 

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Dave_Camp
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Why do you think they’re staying with the long yoke as part of their linkage? 

The advantages outweigh the small number of additional broken shocks. 

 

the yoke shock breaking thing is overblown imo. Ive seen warranty %s.

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