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4/27/2024 8:16pm
UfuS78 wrote:
  Vivid coil? 

 

Vivid coil? 

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Good eye! And a steering damper, but I think that's been discussed here already. The shock looks really similar to a Super Deluxe, so I'll have...

Good eye! And a steering damper, but I think that's been discussed here already. The shock looks really similar to a Super Deluxe, so I'll have to defer to other tech nerds to confirm whether that's a new reservoir or just the old one with a new sticker, sans lockout lever.

My guess is the existing super deluxe shock body with a vivid piggyback bolted up. Would be a cool retrofittable feature for existing shocks if that's the only difference. 

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4/27/2024 11:22pm

Is there any difference between the Vivid and Super deluxe piggybacks? I was under the impression the vivid is just an architecturally same shock as the coil super deluxe (with adjustable hbo) but in air form. As the two super deluxes do have differences in architecture. Can it just be a marketing related renaming? Regarding lockout, there has always been a super deluxe ultimate DH without the lock. 

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4/27/2024 11:23pm
Not really a tech rumour, but quite interesting nonetheless  

Not really a tech rumour, but quite interesting nonetheless Woohoo 

This is the bar I need. Any ideas what the rise is on it? 

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4/27/2024 11:43pm
Primoz wrote:

This is the bar I need. Any ideas what the rise is on it? 

Come on Primoz, you are pretty handy with calculations, we know he is likely running 31.8diameter bar, it's not that hard to make accurate guess about bar rise based on that 😋my estimate is 10-12cm 

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4/28/2024 1:16am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2024 1:20am
Primoz wrote:

This is the bar I need. Any ideas what the rise is on it? 

Jakub_G wrote:
Come on Primoz, you are pretty handy with calculations, we know he is likely running 31.8diameter bar, it's not that hard to make accurate guess about...

Come on Primoz, you are pretty handy with calculations, we know he is likely running 31.8diameter bar, it's not that hard to make accurate guess about bar rise based on that 😋my estimate is 10-12cm 

I'd say more in the region of 80-90mm. Ladies and gentlemen place your bets.

Out of interest, would the best way of gambling on handlebar geometry be a sweepstake?

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4/28/2024 1:24am

I vote 75. I'm more interested in the backsweep and upsweep to be honest. 

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4/28/2024 4:07am
veefour wrote:
I'd say more in the region of 80-90mm. Ladies and gentlemen place your bets. Out of interest, would the best way of gambling on handlebar geometry...

I'd say more in the region of 80-90mm. Ladies and gentlemen place your bets.

Out of interest, would the best way of gambling on handlebar geometry be a sweepstake?

We could have a sweep sweepstake.

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4/28/2024 5:04am
UfuS78 wrote:
  Vivid coil? 

 

Vivid coil? 

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Good eye! And a steering damper, but I think that's been discussed here already. The shock looks really similar to a Super Deluxe, so I'll have...

Good eye! And a steering damper, but I think that's been discussed here already. The shock looks really similar to a Super Deluxe, so I'll have to defer to other tech nerds to confirm whether that's a new reservoir or just the old one with a new sticker, sans lockout lever.

My guess is the existing super deluxe shock body with a vivid piggyback bolted up. Would be a cool retrofittable feature for existing shocks if that's...

My guess is the existing super deluxe shock body with a vivid piggyback bolted up. Would be a cool retrofittable feature for existing shocks if that's the only difference. 

I think maybe Rock Shox will release a Vivid Coil to replace the Super Deluxe DH 🤔

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4/28/2024 7:17am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2024 7:18am
Primoz wrote:
Is there any difference between the Vivid and Super deluxe piggybacks? I was under the impression the vivid is just an architecturally same shock as the...

Is there any difference between the Vivid and Super deluxe piggybacks? I was under the impression the vivid is just an architecturally same shock as the coil super deluxe (with adjustable hbo) but in air form. As the two super deluxes do have differences in architecture. Can it just be a marketing related renaming? Regarding lockout, there has always been a super deluxe ultimate DH without the lock. 

At least from the release discussion, the main feature difference between a Vivid coil and a SD coil would be the initial travel damping bypass "touchdown" IIRC the naming correctly. The piggyback may be the same externally but the internals are likely different to include that feature. 

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4/28/2024 7:33am

Wouldn't that be a piston feature? 

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4/28/2024 8:06am
Not really a tech rumour, but quite interesting nonetheless  

Not really a tech rumour, but quite interesting nonetheless Woohoo 

Primoz wrote:

This is the bar I need. Any ideas what the rise is on it? 

Probably a 70-80mm riser bar. Ive get 35mm diameter 50mm risers from deity on my bike. I like riding with a bit of stack as well. 

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4/28/2024 8:32am

Vivid comes aftermarket with extra white stickers in the box (with silvery ones already stuck on), which match the size of what's stuck to the piggy there, because the Vivid piggy isn't branded as such.

That being said, the 23 coil and Vivid piggies are literally identical (as is the SDU Air), the 23 SDU coil has more in common with the Vivid than it does it's namesake.

Probably just trolling us.

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4/28/2024 8:59am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2024 9:00am
Primoz wrote:

Wouldn't that be a piston feature? 

Yes it is. It has a bypass check valve on the piston in between 2 glide rings along with a shock body that's machined so at full extension only one glide ring is engaged to allow the bypass to work.

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4/28/2024 9:06am
Not really a tech rumour, but quite interesting nonetheless  

Not really a tech rumour, but quite interesting nonetheless Woohoo 

Quality pic of the Yoshi clipless

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4/28/2024 11:24am
TimBud wrote:

Why have you hidden the fact that that’s a dakotah post?

dolface wrote:

Pretty sure those bars make it absolutely clear who's post it is, but here's the link if there's any remaining doubt:

https://www.instagram.com/stories/daknorton/3355595831867180463/

chriskief wrote:
Not sure I'm buying this setup... his mechanic could have been messing with him. But seeing Dak race those bars would be almost as good as...

Not sure I'm buying this setup... his mechanic could have been messing with him.

But seeing Dak race those bars would be almost as good as the shorts bounty.

I think he's gonna race them...

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4/28/2024 11:47am
dolface wrote:

Pretty sure those bars make it absolutely clear who's post it is, but here's the link if there's any remaining doubt:

https://www.instagram.com/stories/daknorton/3355595831867180463/

chriskief wrote:
Not sure I'm buying this setup... his mechanic could have been messing with him. But seeing Dak race those bars would be almost as good as...

Not sure I'm buying this setup... his mechanic could have been messing with him.

But seeing Dak race those bars would be almost as good as the shorts bounty.

dolface wrote:
I think he's gonna race them...

I think he's gonna race them...

Dakota mentioned in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9qzKrRQ77Y&ab_channel=VitalMTBt that he was getting some custom on-off riser bars. 

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4/28/2024 12:12pm

I’m just bummed it’s missing a crossbar and pad

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4/28/2024 2:08pm

I’m just bummed it’s missing a crossbar and pad

And the obligatory Stack-Norton model name on it 

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4/28/2024 2:15pm

I just installed 60mm risers on my DJ yesterday, those monsters look wayyy taller, so my bet is 11cm

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4/28/2024 4:08pm

I’m just bummed it’s missing a crossbar and pad

And the obligatory Stack-Norton model name on it 

Trying to figure out where the Bluetooth speaker goes since that bike doesn’t have a water bottle cage Evil

Never change Dak. We’re rooting for ya this weekend!!

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4/28/2024 5:22pm
chriskief wrote:
Not sure I'm buying this setup... his mechanic could have been messing with him. But seeing Dak race those bars would be almost as good as...

Not sure I'm buying this setup... his mechanic could have been messing with him.

But seeing Dak race those bars would be almost as good as the shorts bounty.

dolface wrote:
I think he's gonna race them...

I think he's gonna race them...

Fred_Pop wrote:

Dakota mentioned in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9qzKrRQ77Y&ab_channel=VitalMTBt that he was getting some custom on-off riser bars. 

Dak said, “tryin’ to git the 50’s”. So that would make sense he wants a 50mm bar.

4/28/2024 5:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/28/2024 5:28pm

Does it looks like like oval chainstay is on Amaury’s frame compared to rectangle? Also an axle mount to chainstay option vs stock is mounted to seatstay.

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4/28/2024 5:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/28/2024 6:01pm
Does it looks like like oval chainstay is on Amaury’s frame compared to rectangle? Also an axle mount to chainstay option vs stock is mounted to...

Does it looks like like oval chainstay is on Amaury’s frame compared to rectangle? Also an axle mount to chainstay option vs stock is mounted to seatstay.

Are these all recent photos?  What's the third image with the seat stay pivot, a prototype Supreme V5?

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4/28/2024 6:14pm
Does it looks like like oval chainstay is on Amaury’s frame compared to rectangle? Also an axle mount to chainstay option vs stock is mounted to...

Does it looks like like oval chainstay is on Amaury’s frame compared to rectangle? Also an axle mount to chainstay option vs stock is mounted to seatstay.

boozed wrote:

Are these all recent photos?  What's the third image with the seat stay pivot, a prototype Supreme V5?

First photo with round/oval chainstay was posted today by Amaury.

Middle is a team photo from last year with stock chainstay.

Bottom photo of chainstay mounted axle is from last year.

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4/28/2024 7:07pm

#nonTech - i'll only spam this thread once, but Vital Downhill Fantasy kicks off this week and since some of you brake-pad-ticklers never leave this forum topic, figured i'd post it here, so you have a chance to win prizes to take apart and critique in here : )

https://www.vitalmtb.com/fantasy

(psssst...i love that you're all brake-pad-ticklers! it's made me want to tickle my own pads).

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4/28/2024 11:04pm
Does it looks like like oval chainstay is on Amaury’s frame compared to rectangle? Also an axle mount to chainstay option vs stock is mounted to...

Does it looks like like oval chainstay is on Amaury’s frame compared to rectangle? Also an axle mount to chainstay option vs stock is mounted to seatstay.

boozed wrote:

Are these all recent photos?  What's the third image with the seat stay pivot, a prototype Supreme V5?

First photo with round/oval chainstay was posted today by Amaury. Middle is a team photo from last year with stock chainstay. Bottom photo of chainstay mounted...

First photo with round/oval chainstay was posted today by Amaury.

Middle is a team photo from last year with stock chainstay.

Bottom photo of chainstay mounted axle is from last year.

That chainstay does look crazy thin. It seems like they're fighting for every bit of traction for Ft. William, looking for more lateral flex.

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4/29/2024 5:09am

I was out at the Scottish National Champs this weekend and spotted Joe Connell on a prototype Privateer DH bike. Looks like a custom link? 

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4/29/2024 7:38am
dolface wrote:

Pretty sure those bars make it absolutely clear who's post it is, but here's the link if there's any remaining doubt:

https://www.instagram.com/stories/daknorton/3355595831867180463/

chriskief wrote:
Not sure I'm buying this setup... his mechanic could have been messing with him. But seeing Dak race those bars would be almost as good as...

Not sure I'm buying this setup... his mechanic could have been messing with him.

But seeing Dak race those bars would be almost as good as the shorts bounty.

dolface wrote:
I think he's gonna race them...

I think he's gonna race them...

Stack-otah's Mondraker Raze set up for Sea Otter dual slalom. The paint job on this thing was incredible. And bars so high he had to file a flight plan. 

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4/29/2024 7:53am
I was out at the Scottish National Champs this weekend and spotted Joe Connell on a prototype Privateer DH bike. Looks like a custom link? 

I was out at the Scottish National Champs this weekend and spotted Joe Connell on a prototype Privateer DH bike. Looks like a custom link? 

Privateer have said its running 200 front and rear.  I asked what the shock size was and was told  "This is a stock 205x60 shock. Out of the box the Gen 2 can run 174mm with the standard link and shock (just a spacer needs to be removed from the standard shock) and we expect this is how Joe will race many UK rounds. But for EU races we might play with some new ideas but all based on the stock 161 chassis"

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