I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to...
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for...
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for some E-Clout, damn rights they'll take a photo and put it online. At least the diaper builds hype without showing what the product is.
IDK, I think us nerds overestimate the average rider's capacity to care. I used to test a bit and rode uncovered bikes with no graphics - nobody ever asked me about the bikes, even riders on the same brand.
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
Bunkers for cars? I know this is a mtb thread but you got a wiki link for this car testing bunker? Sounds cool.
sorry, i was being sarcastic about having a bike tuxedo on full-time
Sarcastic or not, you should file a patent application before the big boys do.
On the subject of surreptitious automotive testing, I remember reading stories of some European brands building test mules with other manufacturers' grilles to throw off (or just as likely attract the attention of) the motoring press, until they were politely asked by the trademark owners to knock it off. Has that level of chicanery been seen in the MTB world?
Funny, I was thinking the same thing- bike washing is gonna be way easier. It’s like a nitrile glove for your DH bike!
I don’t know if it’s so prevalent these days but back in the late 90’s early 00’s mechanics would cover the bars and discs and spray the whole bike with teflon lube something like GT85.
These bikes in the UK would come down cleaner than everyone else and what little mud was on them would wash off super easy.
Neoprene would hold onto water in a wet race making it heavier so prob.not the best idea
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP...
I don't get all the fuss about the diapers. Prototypes being tested/validated in public, while heavily camouflaged, is common in all industries. It protects under-development IP and also allows less-than-production-level parts to be used without the scrutiny of the public eye. We built an entire bunker to hide our test vehicles when they weren't on the road, and when they were on the road they had zebra camo and fake grilles, etc. It's great for concealing parts that are being rapidly developed, especially when some iterations might only be used for a single test cycle.
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to...
It's Streisand effect.
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference in the bike passing by on the trail. Wrap the same bike in a cover to keep it "secret" and now everyone notices.
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for...
People will absolutely notice, are you for real? We have an entire thread dedicated to leaking new stuff. People leak embargoed images and information just for some E-Clout, damn rights they'll take a photo and put it online. At least the diaper builds hype without showing what the product is.
Those of us here geeking out over this shit are 1% of bike geeks. The diaper does nothing to stop us from digging it up and nerding out over it.
The same dude who almost ran you over on the way to the bike park because he had his head buried in his phone is not going to notice that there is a different idler on someone else's bike. Most of the population walks around blissfully unaware of their surroundings.
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
This is a very interesting angle of the bike because it shows them using the Trek ABP or Weigle’s split pivot, where the chainstay and seatstay join at the rear axle.
This design makes the rear suspension very feel feeling under braking. Low Anti rise.
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice...
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
Split Pivot and Horst are almost identical, kinematically. I doubt that's a major reason for switching between the two.
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really...
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
the current charger 3 doesn't do much at all, full closed or open lsc or hsc are barely noticeable, on the Grip 2 it has a more defined difference
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with...
That canyon having a concentric axle pivot is really interesting, do we think it's a high single pivot with the axle pivot or something different with all the frame covered up?
Yeah I noticed the split pivot too, definitely something more going on here… I suspect a mid-high pivot?
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put a slight spin on the same design…
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really...
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
I’m sure the new ZEB will have a version of the new boxxer air spring as well
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice...
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
I love gold the look of it the taste of it the smell of it the texture. I love gold so much that I even lost my genitalia in an unfortunate schmelting accident.
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice...
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
Does the relatively small offset between the pivot and the axle really have that much of an impact? A Gen5 Trek Slash's anti-squat curve looks an awful lot like many contemporary Horst frames, after all.
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically...
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put...
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put a slight spin on the same design…
If the brake mount is on the chainstay it’s likely a very similar design to what I drew before. The forbidden supernought is arguably very similar also. It’s just a Horst link instead of a split pivot.
The split pivot version keeping a true single pivot axle path.
If the brake is mounted to the seatstay. It’s possibly a 6 bar as Ortogonal mentioned. Something like this-ish. Purple link floating somewhere between light blue and yellow.
Does the relatively small offset between the pivot and the axle really have that much of an impact? A Gen5 Trek Slash's anti-squat curve looks an...
Does the relatively small offset between the pivot and the axle really have that much of an impact? A Gen5 Trek Slash's anti-squat curve looks an awful lot like many contemporary Horst frames, after all.
Yes. If it's a single pivot, you are very limited as to where you put the main pivot to achieve the desired antisquat and thus what the characteristic through the travel will be. With a virtual pivot point (Horst link included) you have a lot more freedom where you put the pivots and what the characteristics are. I mean compared to a single pivot, there is still an envelope that you have to work in.
Just about to pull the trigger on a 2023 turbo levo. Before I, do any more rumblings of a gen 4 coming very soon? Or other full fat from specialized? I see they just released the ltd ohlins version a week or so ago.
IDK, I think us nerds overestimate the average rider's capacity to care. I used to test a bit and rode uncovered bikes with no graphics - nobody ever asked me about the bikes, even riders on the same brand.
Bunkers for cars? I know this is a mtb thread but you got a wiki link for this car testing bunker? Sounds cool.
This isn't that, but VW intentionally built a test track in a no fly zone for pretty much the same reason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehra-Lessien
Sarcastic or not, you should file a patent application before the big boys do.
On the subject of surreptitious automotive testing, I remember reading stories of some European brands building test mules with other manufacturers' grilles to throw off (or just as likely attract the attention of) the motoring press, until they were politely asked by the trademark owners to knock it off. Has that level of chicanery been seen in the MTB world?
I don’t know if it’s so prevalent these days but back in the late 90’s early 00’s mechanics would cover the bars and discs and spray the whole bike with teflon lube something like GT85.
These bikes in the UK would come down cleaner than everyone else and what little mud was on them would wash off super easy.
Neoprene would hold onto water in a wet race making it heavier so prob.not the best idea
Those of us here geeking out over this shit are 1% of bike geeks. The diaper does nothing to stop us from digging it up and nerding out over it.
The same dude who almost ran you over on the way to the bike park because he had his head buried in his phone is not going to notice that there is a different idler on someone else's bike. Most of the population walks around blissfully unaware of their surroundings.
my guess with the concentric rear pivot. Hard to tell if the brake is on the the chainstay or seatstay though. This design would typically be chainstay mounted.
lots of bulk down by the bb though also. Hard to say what else could be going on
Maybe they're just covering up a wate bottle cage. That's pretty cutting edge on a DH bike.
This is a very interesting angle of the bike because it shows them using the Trek ABP or Weigle’s split pivot, where the chainstay and seatstay join at the rear axle.
This design makes the rear suspension very feel feeling under braking. Low Anti rise.
some gold lowers from fox.
lmao... you had one job!
Probably something that looks a lot like a Devinci Wilson, although the profile isn’t too far off their current offering. Split pivot does offer really nice characteristics under braking
Split Pivot and Horst are almost identical, kinematically. I doubt that's a major reason for switching between the two.
Heard that Charger 3.1 dampener upgrade coming out in June, and that it's features more high compression/adjustment. That the current version, the high speed adjuster really doesn't do much and doesn't add enough compression, and something along the lines of using the new Boxxer piston, which flows more oil. That part I could be remembering incorrectly though
the current charger 3 doesn't do much at all, full closed or open lsc or hsc are barely noticeable, on the Grip 2 it has a more defined difference
Yeah I noticed the split pivot too, definitely something more going on here… I suspect a mid-high pivot?
You just drew a Devinci Wilson, I doubt it’s that straight forward, I doubt Canyon would do a direct copy like that, but they could put a slight spin on the same design…
I’m sure the new ZEB will have a version of the new boxxer air spring as well
russian edition
Antirise wise yes, antisquat wise no.
I love gold the look of it the taste of it the smell of it the texture. I love gold so much that I even lost my genitalia in an unfortunate schmelting accident.
Given how high the seat stays seem to be connected to the front triangle on the new Canyon, I wouldn't be surprised if it is a 6 bars design.
Does the relatively small offset between the pivot and the axle really have that much of an impact? A Gen5 Trek Slash's anti-squat curve looks an awful lot like many contemporary Horst frames, after all.
Lukasick also has a black upper legs, previously there was Kashima
If the brake mount is on the seatstay, that was the other thought as to what might be going on.
About to pull the trigger on a RM Element. Worth waiting for the Norco XC bike?
The split pivot version keeping a true single pivot axle path.
If the brake is mounted to the seatstay. It’s possibly a 6 bar as Ortogonal mentioned. Something like this-ish. Purple link floating somewhere between light blue and yellow.
Yes. If it's a single pivot, you are very limited as to where you put the main pivot to achieve the desired antisquat and thus what the characteristic through the travel will be. With a virtual pivot point (Horst link included) you have a lot more freedom where you put the pivots and what the characteristics are. I mean compared to a single pivot, there is still an envelope that you have to work in.
not sure, could just be really dark lighting?
Just about to pull the trigger on a 2023 turbo levo. Before I, do any more rumblings of a gen 4 coming very soon? Or other full fat from specialized? I see they just released the ltd ohlins version a week or so ago.