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samdaman1
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2/26/2024 5:01pm
Primoz wrote:
Extra volume negative can by the looks of it... @Onawalk Forbidden is a HP company, the Slash is an enduro racing machine and Norco is adding...

Extra volume negative can by the looks of it...

@Onawalk Forbidden is a HP company, the Slash is an enduro racing machine and Norco is adding two models lower down. Not exactly overwhelming high pivotness across the board, there are more through headset routed bikes out there. Development cycles take a few years so the realistic picture will be known in a few years if high pivot really is the hotness above everything else or not. Wouldn't be the first hat I eat, but I stand by my comment that we won't see idlers en masse below enduro bikes. 

From a completely inquisitive POV.. would a company be able to design a 2 position rear triangle, one HP w/ idler pulley, and then have a...

From a completely inquisitive POV.. would a company be able to design a 2 position rear triangle, one HP w/ idler pulley, and then have a second hardware mounting position for a traditional, let's say 4 bar or VPP setup? 

I am sure an engineer could simply reply to this saying "that's not possible" and I would be happy with the answer but it's a question that's been bouncing in my noggin for a bit. 

I think the Geometron G2 prototype/mule has this as a feature? Either that or it's just the same front triangle and the rear end is changed between the high pivot and regular pivot setups. I can see it being possible though combined with their mutator adjustments

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Shimano holds a patent for that, handed to them by Honda. It's what prevented Hayes from popularizing the PeteSpeed gearbox after they bought the design from...

Shimano holds a patent for that, handed to them by Honda. It's what prevented Hayes from popularizing the PeteSpeed gearbox after they bought the design from B1. And you can be damn sure they'll keep it sealed until they have milked the rear derailleur for many more years.

So the OLD patent from the Honda days was for a literal internal derailleur and traditional cassette. The cassette can be moved horizontally to help with...

So the OLD patent from the Honda days was for a literal internal derailleur and traditional cassette. The cassette can be moved horizontally to help with chainline and shifting. This dual, opposing cassettes idea is different enough that I doubt there would be any over lap....


UNFORTUNATELY, just last year Shimano applied for another patent that exactly matches my idea. 

https://www.bike198.com/shimano-gearbox-patent/

 

airwreck wrote:

Patent  discussions make me wonder what happened to Wheelbased. Looks like he went quiet about a year ago.

Me too. I know he was getting hassled for posting stuff a while back and am guessing it made it not worth it to continue Sad

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Did I miss it? Has someone already posted about the HP Canyon prototype? Looks to be a split pivot, which only makes sense (to me) to...

Did I miss it? Has someone already posted about the HP Canyon prototype? Looks to be a split pivot, which only makes sense (to me) to get around I-Tracks patent. Why would they have to worry about that for a  prototype? 

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samdaman1 wrote:
Does anyone else think that those Saint calipers look a bit bigger than the normal ones? Also it looks like the direct mount Saint cranks are...

Does anyone else think that those Saint calipers look a bit bigger than the normal ones? Also it looks like the direct mount Saint cranks are getting a lot closer to being available given how many bikes they've been showing up on recently. I'd be intrigued to see if they make anything shorter than 165mm following Laurie Greenland's not so secretive usage of Hope's 155m cranks with Saint stickers on them.

Imagine Shimano releasing a new saint group that looks identical to the one that's been out for 10 years. I'd love that, it would be the best thing they've ever done. 

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doesn't make sense since dak's sponsored by yoshimura.

regarding the "new saint" questions: i saw remi gauvin thanking shimano on IG for 12 years racing on it and he looks foward for what's to come... doesn't sound like a "good bye" to me and there might be some new product soon.

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krabo83 wrote:
doesn't make sense since dak's sponsored by yoshimura. regarding the "new saint" questions: i saw remi gauvin thanking shimano on IG for 12 years racing on...

doesn't make sense since dak's sponsored by yoshimura.

regarding the "new saint" questions: i saw remi gauvin thanking shimano on IG for 12 years racing on it and he looks foward for what's to come... doesn't sound like a "good bye" to me and there might be some new product soon.

Probalby just a joke from Doddy. However, yoshimura doesnt make bars, and he is sponsored to make a clipless pedal it seems.

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But they were taking pictures of OnOff bars before announcement. The whole Freckelgate comes from a handlebar PR pic. 

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metadave wrote:
Imagine Shimano releasing a new saint group that looks identical to the one that's been out for 10 years. I'd love that, it would be the...

Imagine Shimano releasing a new saint group that looks identical to the one that's been out for 10 years. I'd love that, it would be the best thing they've ever done. 

Saint is dead in the water. What people is hopefully seeing as "new saint cranks" are the to-be-released XTs.

 

Oh, and kiss SLX goodbye also.

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I can see them ditching SLX, but not Saint.

They know they still need a DH/FR groupset. They’ll probably just make it an eeb group too

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slimshady wrote:

Saint is dead in the water. What people is hopefully seeing as "new saint cranks" are the to-be-released XTs.

 

Oh, and kiss SLX goodbye also.

Oh is that why SLX cassettes are suddenly less than half price?

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What's coming instead of slx then? Is there going to be nothing between XT and Deore? 

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Primoz wrote:

What's coming instead of slx then? Is there going to be nothing between XT and Deore? 

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Primoz wrote:

What's coming instead of slx then? Is there going to be nothing between XT and Deore? 

cues linkglide will take over the world

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krabo83 wrote:
doesn't make sense since dak's sponsored by yoshimura. regarding the "new saint" questions: i saw remi gauvin thanking shimano on IG for 12 years racing on...

doesn't make sense since dak's sponsored by yoshimura.

regarding the "new saint" questions: i saw remi gauvin thanking shimano on IG for 12 years racing on it and he looks foward for what's to come... doesn't sound like a "good bye" to me and there might be some new product soon.

I think the Rocky Mountain enduro team may be switching to SRAM. The SRAM product director commented on Remi’s post:

 

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i guess master trolling from remy, miranda and tyler

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Just needs a crossbar to put the moto pad on 

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That would make it stiff AF. And Dak specifically said no 35 mm carbon bars because they are stiff. 

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New Norco Sight and Optic drop tomorrow. Local Norco dealers probably have one hidden in the back of the shop today. 

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TannerVal wrote:

Just needs a crossbar to put the moto pad on 

Shorten the reach and roll the bars Chicago style Cool

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Kango
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2/28/2024 12:04am Edited Date/Time 2/28/2024 12:23am
earleb wrote:

New Norco Sight and Optic drop tomorrow. Local Norco dealers probably have one hidden in the back of the shop today. 

Any idea on when the new Range VLT is gonna drop?

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neko testing some alternative manufacturing, gonna be interesting to see the advantages without the marketing talk

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    neko testing some alternative manufacturing, gonna be interesting to see the advantages without the marketing talk
 


 

neko testing some alternative manufacturing, gonna be interesting to see the advantages without the marketing talk

I'm really hoping one of the guys at Faction is known as Frank The Bonder.

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IMG 1903Updated Rocky Instinct

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bermed wrote:
Updated Rocky Instinct

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What's up with the article on the homepage?  Says "Access Denied".

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pinkrobe
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2/28/2024 7:50am

Looks like somebody jumped the gun on the Instinct release.

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krabo83 wrote:
doesn't make sense since dak's sponsored by yoshimura. regarding the "new saint" questions: i saw remi gauvin thanking shimano on IG for 12 years racing on...

doesn't make sense since dak's sponsored by yoshimura.

regarding the "new saint" questions: i saw remi gauvin thanking shimano on IG for 12 years racing on it and he looks foward for what's to come... doesn't sound like a "good bye" to me and there might be some new product soon.

bermed wrote:
I think the Rocky Mountain enduro team may be switching to SRAM. The SRAM product director commented on Remi’s post:  

I think the Rocky Mountain enduro team may be switching to SRAM. The SRAM product director commented on Remi’s post:

 

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Would make a certain amount of sense. All (or most) of the Rocky Mountain models currently on their website have shimano in their names. This implies the future availability of sram models as well. 

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