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It doesn't seem like there's anything "faulty" with the links though, just that you don't need the extra progressivity for your riding.
Cascade are pretty clear in the advertising/tech info that the links increase progression, so if you've tried the link and found out you don't need the extra progression it's unfortunate for you but no fault of theirs.
Never had a problem saying it’s not for me, but cascade deleted my review of the link off their website. If you’re going to put product out into the world stifling opinion is kinda lame. It did show the limits of progression though, and it seems like something in the mid 20’s works best.
It went like this I posted the link was too progressive on one of their Facebook ads, they went back and forth with me about it, they were cordial and it was a healthy discussion. Then they ripped the whole conversation off their FB page so I felt compelled to write a review on their site. Within a day or two that was taken down too, which leads to why I’m here.
If I owned a company and had a review of my product or an interaction even closely remote to what you have shown on this forum, I would block you from any form of being able to communicate with me or my customer base. You show a lack of understanding and willingness to become educated in a subject which you chose to spend you money. Get over it. They blocked you because you suck as communicating and are a kook. They aren’t stifling your opinion, they’re stifling the harassment you have chosen to pursue.
Give it up, Bro.
I’ve had a CC link on a Nomad, Megatower, Sight, and Optic. Like others have said, it’s done exactly as what is advertised. All while changing the bikes for the better. The links make them truly amazing to ride for those that pilot them, and are dedicated to finding the settings/ tune that maximize performance out of the chassis.
I didn’t post anything that wasn’t true, not sure why cascade is so sensitive, if they think that I’m totally off base they could have commented back on their website. Amazon is successful since people are free to comment on products they buy. I don’t know about cascade’s other links but the forbidden one is way too progressive. Their forbidden chainguide is also very unreliable and does the exact opposite of what it’s intended to do.
Did I spend money on cascade products that I didn’t truly need, yea, but I still spent the money so I’m entitled to an opinion, same as anyone else.
Yes, you are 100% entitled to your opinion. No one is taking that away from you
Fun fact about the internet: no one has to pay the hosting costs to keep your opinions up on their site.
Again, just look at the leverage ratio curves, you should have done this before purchasing. To me it seems like this link was made for the Druid but also happens to fit the Dreadnought while being servicable. I havent used it because I was afraid of what the available data told me; but it sounds like it did exaclty what it what it was advertised to do.
Glad my real world impressions met your expectations
It's a piece of data... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ah finally, the key to creating a $1.5 trillion company: not moderating reviews. take note Cascade
Wouldn’t be the worst thing
I got one for my transition scout. I'm 6'2 and 240lbs. I've have a rock shock super deluxe that I'd filled up volume reducers, and I had to run about 280PSI to not bottom out on my normal rides. When I ride it that stiff, It tends to be stiffer then I want over the small stuff. So I grabbed myself a cascade link this offseason. Haven't ridden it yet because it snows a lot in Canada.. Hoping I can run lower pressure, and or take out some volume reducers to still not bottom out while getting it a little softer up top.
Thats my plan at least.....wont know how it works till spring.
Jesus dude you have a real chip on your shoulder about these links. Surely you bought the link to make your bike more progressive because it didn’t feel Progressive enough in the first place and you had already exhausted all avenues in shock tuning as in spring rate/ tokens (if it’s air) and compression. Sounds like you bought a shiny link “just cause” and where pissed off that you or the trails you ride didn’t warrant that amount of progression. What cascade done to your review doesn’t matter, don’t forget these guys are mountain bikers like all of us not some big corporate suits trying to squeeze your hard earned money from you, there business is built on passion for making things better for all mountain bikers that need a product like there’s (which is not everyone). Cascade give the real numbers data to what progression your getting from there link v the stock link it’s there in black and white. You bought something that didn’t suit you, suck it up and go out in the woods and have fun.
I've owned one and loved what it did to my Stumpy Evo.
One thing I would like is the changes made to other kinematics to be published please @CascadeComponents ... I bought the link primarily to change leverage ratio curve so I could use a coil shock, but I'm a nerd so I'd be interested in what each link does to all the other curves too.
I agree, but maybe start a new thread asking that question instead of bringing them here to see this one. I want to be educated from the start, and not have to read through the negativity posted here. Tell you what, I’ll do it for us.
I haven't read every post in this thread so apologies if this has been covered.
First, tons of modern high end bikes are very linear in their suspension design. In fact, I'd argue that for aggressive riders only Transitions & YT's, really have enough progression as delivered stock. Bike suspension designs are built for the center of the bell curve, as they should be, and that's going to be a more linear design that works well the with the lighter and progressive nature of an air shock.
You should certainly be able to express your displeasure with the Cascade product changes, but anyone reading that, should recognize that all it does is change the shape of the suspension curve, and unless you were experiencing identifiable issues with the stock curve, it was never going to be a positive change. That part is completely on you.
A perfect example was my SJEvo, small reservoir stock air shock now packed full of volume reducers, high air pressure, then it was harsh and still harshly bottomed out. The Cascade link was a revelation for me, on that particular bike. I was able to remove 1-2 volume reducers, have better off the top performance (more plush), better midrange pedaling support (more linear air rate in the shock and higher air pressure) & my harsh bottom out issues were cured It made that bike sooo much better for me.
GL
40% progression is way too much, for any bike or rider outside of possibly a Rampage rider.
It's a bummer that CC sold a link, that they should know better than to sell. That feels, opportunistic.
I wouldn't add a CC to either of my Transitions either as at around 28% they are in a really sweet spot. The Relay was really harsh with the stock air shock, even after removing both factory included volume reducers, but it's an ideal candidate for a coil shock, which it now has. My Smuggler has similar progression but less travel so it works quire well the included air shock, but with the volume reducer removed. Worth noting is that I don't do nearly as big of stuff on the Smuggler.
As travel increases, you have more mm's to use up energy, so the need for as much progression typically decreases, assumes everything else is the same. If you ride the big bike more aggressively or have a different shock, well that all plays in to it.
It’s well known that the Druid and dreadnought share the same link. A good number of people actually installed it on the dreadnought before we ever listed it as compatible with the dreadnought. They were happy with it and we continued to get questions about it so when we got the shock compatibility to a place we thought was reasonable for the dreadnought we listed its specs too. It’s a Druid link a the end of the day though. There are some people that can get along with 40%. It’s not as unreasonable as it sounds especially on this bike since a lot of that comes later in travel. I’m not going to back down from selling that link because the specs are listed there plain as day. If some people are into it why should I not tell them what it does?
I'm going on a limb and going to say that you haven't actually looked at the linkage chart fro the dreadnought/druid have you? Yes, it's overall 40% progressive but it comes so late in the travel. It's almost like a built in HBO. If you were to actually read my review you'd see that I'd actually run this link with a shock tune (HSR adjustment and HBO removal).
CC sold a product that does what it says on the tin. That's not opportunistic. It's not up to them to make links that work for everyone, and in fact that runs counter to their whole reason for existing. It seems to me that the hate for CC links come from people who do just fine on the stock linkages on their bikes. Guess what? Most bike companies now do a pretty great job of having great suspension kinematics for a vast, vast, majority of riders (which, purely statistically speaking, that includes you and me). I feel like I shouldn't have to say this again, but here it goes:
No one is making you stick a new linkage on your bike. Full Stop.
CC makes great products, and their craftsmanship is fantastic, just because it doesn't work for you and your riding style does not mean its a bad product. It's just not for you (and that's 100% okay!).
I appreciate what CC is doing, In fact I'll probably slap a CC link on my spire because I really like the feel of 3:1 on a coil shock, and if I don't like it, I'll just take it off my bike and move on with my life. I recommend you do the same.
This was thoroughly hashed out in the tech rumors. We blocked one person. The person that started this thread. Calling it a review would be a stretch. Calling it defamatory, not so much.
Edit, seeing as you made an account today just to post one thing I’m going to assume you are that exact same person.
Once again, for those who missed it the first time:
No one is under any obligation to pay for the hosting space to keep your opinion on their site.
It's like getting mad at the sushi restaurant for serving raw fish even though its not your jam.
LOL
There are plenty of posts from the guy. Just read this thread. We're all very aware of what he said.
Unless, of course, you are that same guy (nice new account you got there).
In that case, you know what you said.
Welp, he got the job.
I have the Levo long stroke link, friggin awesome. Made it another bike. (150 to 165mm with a longer stroke shock). I have the SB150 link as well, not using it anymore because it made my rear wheel bottom out on the seat tube. Also like the leverage curve on the stock one more.
Oh boy... mullet cycles go out of business yet? Or enough boomers soaking up geo marketing nonsense still?
Question for Cascade.. I know you were developing a link for the V3 Wreckoning - but nothing since - any reason why? Is it still in development?
I've got the standard CC link for my levo.. is it worth the $$$ for the long stroke link + a new shock? I finally got a functioning X2 attached to the bike and it's feeling pretty damn mint at the moment so I'm not feeling very ambitious to shell out another couple hundred bucks on the long link and new shock.
It's a time thing. Haven't shelved it or anything. Evil links require more tooling despite being simpler to machine once that tooling is done. We're a pretty small company so time is hard to come by.
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