I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but Jordi is on the latest Downtime podcast and said they have "a bunch of cool projects" this...
I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but Jordi is on the latest Downtime podcast and said they have "a bunch of cool projects" this year, so maybe?
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.
It could just be the photo quality (or lack of it) but it also looks like the fork has the older style square lower leg arch...
It could just be the photo quality (or lack of it) but it also looks like the fork has the older style square lower leg arch as opposed to the current rounded arch Fox has going on.
Good catch, it also doesnt look to have the bleed valves.
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on...
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.
Any more rumours/pics of the upcoming Spesh Enduro? I keep hearing it’s only a seatstay upgrade to UDH, but previous talk on here suggests a full redesign?
The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it.
In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't...
The new Altitude, pretty stoked for it.
In the PB article it says it's Remi's. If it is I'm interested in why that factory fork doesn't have Kashima. Sure it could be a performance elite with factory stickers, but maybe not...
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on...
Who the hell cares if it's Kashima or not, you're looking at an unreleased bike. And yes, that is Remi. There are some forum posts on the other site with an image of the suspension design of the bike if you are wanting to go looking.
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal...
Yes - in the roller door podcast from SC. They mentioned to have received new prototype Saint cranks in Les Gets / Andora/ Loudenvielle (cannot recal which venue it was). They immediately went to a O chain with the new direct mount.
I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress...
I hope this means that Shimano will make a 104BCD spider for their direct mount cranks, as the only ones that are available currently are aliexpress ones, which I wouldn't trust on any crank never mind a downhill spec crank like a Saint. I am assuming there is a reason why there are no good aftermarket options but I'd love to know why, because I know I would buy one if it existed!
Also does anyone have any updates on the upcoming SRAM Maven brakes? They've been out in the wild for ages now, and look to be relatively close to production
I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there...
I would assume the new direct mount Saint would just use the direct mount chainrings as their other direct mount MTB cranks. Just curious, is there a reason why you would prefer a direct mount crank -> spider -> 104BCD chainring over a direct mount crank -> direct mount chainring?
If you smash the chainring, you don't end up bending a spider. Just replace the ring and carry on.
It's a whole new hub design that seems to have a lot of merits.
That’s pretty damn cool. Good video too. Bummer about the proprietary rotor, but not a huge deal...
I’ve been on Onyx hubs for a couple years now and it’s really cool to have a silent hub. A bit unnerving at first, but now I’m not sure I could go back to a ratchet style hub. I would’ve liked to have heard his comparisons on those types of designs.
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the...
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add.
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the...
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add.
Vorsprung are a bunch of clahns, ride the grip 2, the Hsc works. Theory doesn’t always match reality.
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the...
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add.
Vorsprung are a bunch of clahns, ride the grip 2, the Hsc works. Theory doesn’t always match reality.
Agreed, I can definitely feel a difference in the HSC settings on my 38. Too little and the front end will feel more knifey and oversteer in hard cornering. Too much HSC and the front end doesn't settle and kind of understeers in hard cornering/ heavy load situations.
The point about rebound is moot IMO. My 38 even has the low rebound "traction tune" and I run it close to fully open. I have a factory 34 on a different bike, rebound is nearly fully open. I had a coil 40 on my old Glory, and I ran the rebound almost open on that too. Fox rebound damping is pretty heavy for the most part. As a bigger guy, I'm amazed that lighter riders can get their stuff to work good with stock tunes.
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the...
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add.
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add.
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the...
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want...
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add.
I fixed it by getting a tuned damper. Now I can run more LSC for better stability / less dive without the sharpness on impacts.
I think the grip 2 is probably fine for most people and the 2024 changes sound like they address the sharpness that happens when closing LSC on the previous year grip 2. That's what I wanted , more LSC without the harshness.
I’d agree- dyno doesn’t always tell the full story. It’s an extremely useful tool but you must do blind ride testing as well.
MTB suspension...
I’d agree- dyno doesn’t always tell the full story. It’s an extremely useful tool but you must do blind ride testing as well.
MTB suspension testing is incredibly difficult and frustrating from my experience.
That’s humbling to hear from you. I do love a good internet argument between tuners…seems to happen a lot for some reason. I guess it kinda backs up your insight.
Suspension setup talk makes me think of a line from a book. “Do you know how to tell a good lie, Master Amadu? I know how to tell a bad one. When people talk false, their words are muddy where they should be clear, clear where they should be muddy.”
Rider’s expressions of how the suspension they’re giving feedback about are often unbelievably specific about a particular moment of the test ride, where how sensitive that rider is portraying themself to be is like some internet forum merit badge. People naturally copy each other’s language, making the lines you see repeated by different people seem like independent corroboration. If people say knifey or pinging or glued to the ground they must be real, we all must be feeling the same thing under the same circumstances, and we must be right about what setting correlates to those — because what are the chances so many different people saying the same thing could be wrong!?!
Anyone, mtb content creator or weekend warrior, could go to the library and get a blind or double-blind test schema for free. A data acquisition setup wouldn’t even be necessary if you had a well made post ride survey and neither would a fancy lab or a science consultant. What it would take is a lot of time, a lot of repetition, and no guarantee of positive results that match expectations or necessarily capture anyone else’s interest. So you can see the allure of just making up plausible sounding stuff for clicks.
Telemetry is just the dyno on exact track and weight load of the rider.
2glory831rider: you interchanged HSC and LSC :D
No I didn't. I'm talking about cornering loads where you're at the edge of traction for the front tire and you can barely make the turn. Like ride on some pavement, and pretend like you're swerving around something or someone that just jumped out in front of you. In these high load situations I can definitely feel a difference in the HSC settings. With more HSC the fork moves less/slower in these situations. With less HSC it feels like I can't turn back the other way from the swerve like I'm going to high side.
...This is on a bike with Cascade Link BTW. Just say no to progressive springs.
I’d agree- dyno doesn’t always tell the full story. It’s an extremely useful tool but you must do blind ride testing as well.
MTB suspension...
I’d agree- dyno doesn’t always tell the full story. It’s an extremely useful tool but you must do blind ride testing as well.
MTB suspension testing is incredibly difficult and frustrating from my experience.
Not sure what’s so complicated, it feels good or it doesn’t. If the available adjustments let you get to your good place then it’s a good product. If it’s the charger 3 zeb then you’ll never get to a good place and it has to be retuned.
Also lines up with the sales Fox has had running across most products, and the confirmation of an updated Grip 2 damper.
The updates to the Grip 2 seem to address the biggest flaw. As you add compression damping the damper starts to spike and gets a harsh edge to impacts. I notice it, but I'm sensitive to it because of nerve damage in my wrists.
Definitely not the Blur rear end. But looks too big to be from a Tallboy.
It's simply the old Blur 2018-2021.
Good catch, it also doesnt look to have the bleed valves.
Ahhh good eye.
That is Keegan's bike from his White Rim FKT in 2021, as shown here:
https://mbaction.com/monster-energy-presents-fastest-known-time-keegan-swenson/
Not sure where you saw it but it must have been a repost.
Your are right, strava served me an old post. I didn’t look at the date…
he posted some rides on a tall boy recently and I was trying to find a photo of that bike
Close but not quite
Hey team, great thread!
Any more rumours/pics of the upcoming Spesh Enduro? I keep hearing it’s only a seatstay upgrade to UDH, but previous talk on here suggests a full redesign?
ALN teasing the new bike?
If you smash the chainring, you don't end up bending a spider. Just replace the ring and carry on.
Has anyone seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6DUSKhbRU
It's a whole new hub design that seems to have a lot of merits.
That’s pretty damn cool. Good video too. Bummer about the proprietary rotor, but not a huge deal...
I’ve been on Onyx hubs for a couple years now and it’s really cool to have a silent hub. A bit unnerving at first, but now I’m not sure I could go back to a ratchet style hub. I would’ve liked to have heard his comparisons on those types of designs.
Grip2’s biggest flaw is that the HSC adjustment does nothing. Watch the Vorsprung video in the 38 if you don’t believe me. However you might want open up on the LSR because on the Grip2 too much will cause harshness as it acts as a choke/orifice on the mid valve the more you add.
Vorsprung are a bunch of clahns, ride the grip 2, the Hsc works. Theory doesn’t always match reality.
Agreed, I can definitely feel a difference in the HSC settings on my 38. Too little and the front end will feel more knifey and oversteer in hard cornering. Too much HSC and the front end doesn't settle and kind of understeers in hard cornering/ heavy load situations.
The point about rebound is moot IMO. My 38 even has the low rebound "traction tune" and I run it close to fully open. I have a factory 34 on a different bike, rebound is nearly fully open. I had a coil 40 on my old Glory, and I ran the rebound almost open on that too. Fox rebound damping is pretty heavy for the most part. As a bigger guy, I'm amazed that lighter riders can get their stuff to work good with stock tunes.
Vorsprung's Fox 38 commentary was based on dyno results.
Cuz dynos are the same as riding a fork, why would telemetry exist if everything could be modeled in a shop
Oh sweet - think that's the same guy who made that vid on Transmission that got linked in here when that came out. Looks promising
Bang on trend take for you. Cheers for the entertainment!
Telemetry is just the dyno on exact track and weight load of the rider.
2glory831rider: you interchanged HSC and LSC :D
Peak Torque is sometimes a bit harsh, but overall is on point and has sensible explanations on stuff.
Also yes, very cool concept for a hub.
Dyno data is theoretical? Top statement of the year there bud!
I’d agree- dyno doesn’t always tell the full story. It’s an extremely useful tool but you must do blind ride testing as well.
MTB suspension testing is incredibly difficult and frustrating from my experience.
I fixed it by getting a tuned damper. Now I can run more LSC for better stability / less dive without the sharpness on impacts.
I think the grip 2 is probably fine for most people and the 2024 changes sound like they address the sharpness that happens when closing LSC on the previous year grip 2. That's what I wanted , more LSC without the harshness.
That’s humbling to hear from you. I do love a good internet argument between tuners…seems to happen a lot for some reason. I guess it kinda backs up your insight.
Suspension setup talk makes me think of a line from a book. “Do you know how to tell a good lie, Master Amadu? I know how to tell a bad one. When people talk false, their words are muddy where they should be clear, clear where they should be muddy.”
Rider’s expressions of how the suspension they’re giving feedback about are often unbelievably specific about a particular moment of the test ride, where how sensitive that rider is portraying themself to be is like some internet forum merit badge. People naturally copy each other’s language, making the lines you see repeated by different people seem like independent corroboration. If people say knifey or pinging or glued to the ground they must be real, we all must be feeling the same thing under the same circumstances, and we must be right about what setting correlates to those — because what are the chances so many different people saying the same thing could be wrong!?!
Anyone, mtb content creator or weekend warrior, could go to the library and get a blind or double-blind test schema for free. A data acquisition setup wouldn’t even be necessary if you had a well made post ride survey and neither would a fancy lab or a science consultant. What it would take is a lot of time, a lot of repetition, and no guarantee of positive results that match expectations or necessarily capture anyone else’s interest. So you can see the allure of just making up plausible sounding stuff for clicks.
*Black Leopard Red Wolf (2019) Marlon James
No I didn't. I'm talking about cornering loads where you're at the edge of traction for the front tire and you can barely make the turn. Like ride on some pavement, and pretend like you're swerving around something or someone that just jumped out in front of you. In these high load situations I can definitely feel a difference in the HSC settings. With more HSC the fork moves less/slower in these situations. With less HSC it feels like I can't turn back the other way from the swerve like I'm going to high side.
...This is on a bike with Cascade Link BTW. Just say no to progressive springs.
Not sure what’s so complicated, it feels good or it doesn’t. If the available adjustments let you get to your good place then it’s a good product. If it’s the charger 3 zeb then you’ll never get to a good place and it has to be retuned.