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Onawalk 3/8/2023 12:51pm
3/8/2023 12:51pm
Onawalk wrote:
jesus wept, The amount of whinging from you lot on a forum specifically about tech rumours and innovation is astounding to me. Primoz, man, like I...

jesus wept,

The amount of whinging from you lot on a forum specifically about tech rumours and innovation is astounding to me.

Primoz, man, like I said, theres tonnes of brand new XX1 out in the world, go buy it so you no longer have to worry.  I can only assume you have tried AXS on your mtb, strangely everyone Ive spoken to that owns it, absolutely loves it.  Ive seen many online complaints, but I dont put too much stock into that, cause often its people weirdly expressing opinions about something they know very little about

those of you who are getting annoyed with the hype of new SRAM kit, may I suggest unfollowing any of it on social media, and maybe stop visiting a webpage dedicated to new tech and innovations.  Whether youre into SRAM or not, we can all agree, its prolly one of the biggest new releases in quite some time right?

 

Noeserd wrote:
The thing is current generation XX1 axs derailleur is twice the price of the cable actuated one and do we need to pay twice the money...

The thing is current generation XX1 axs derailleur is twice the price of the cable actuated one and do we need to pay twice the money (probably the new one will be more expensive than twice) for a premium product because they stopped producing the cable version? If they do then they have to make the GX more premium because the quality difference between gx and xo/xx1 is quite obvious. The sport is very expensive as it is and i don't think we need to make it more expensive by reducing product options.

I cant for the life of me think why GX isnt acceptable, other than youd like something more blingy.

I'm willing to put a 6 pack on the fact, that in a blind test, you couldnt tell the difference between a GX rear mech, and an either higher priced equivalent.  Ill supply the bike, and beer, and put you to the test on it if youre willing.

As noted in earlier posts, you can get current gen, cable XX1 groupsets on TBS bike parts for mere shillings.  If you need it, go get it, otherwise, I'm unsure about complaining about the high cost of mountain cycling, and the need to have the highest end groupsets.  Im completely baffled by that.

Keep in mind, you dont HAVE to do anything, it doesnt HAVE to cost twice the price, if you CHOOSE to buy AXS, then it costs more

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NoahColorado 3/8/2023 12:54pm
3/8/2023 12:54pm
BrambleLee wrote:
I have no doubt the price will be $$$, but I'm skeptical of this. Maybe something was lost in translation going from aussie bucks to freedom...

I have no doubt the price will be $$$, but I'm skeptical of this. Maybe something was lost in translation going from aussie bucks to freedom dollars? XX1 chains are ~$90 bucks. Current flattop RED chains are $75 at msrp. It would be pretty egregious to have a literal 160% price increase. 

Also—XX SL AXS? Are there going to be different SL and regular tiers of XX? 

I think the plan is to have:

XX, Deluxe XX, Super Deluxe XX, Super Deluxe XX Select, Super Deluxe XX Select Plus, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate SL, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate SL AXS, and, of course, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate SL AXS Flight Control™ B52 C130 with Electrolytes.

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BSK 3/8/2023 12:56pm
3/8/2023 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2023 1:28pm
Jrp wrote:

Wait till you see the pricing on the new XX SL AXS. 
 

the chain alone is $240 USD haha 

BrambleLee wrote:
I have no doubt the price will be $$$, but I'm skeptical of this. Maybe something was lost in translation going from aussie bucks to freedom...

I have no doubt the price will be $$$, but I'm skeptical of this. Maybe something was lost in translation going from aussie bucks to freedom dollars? XX1 chains are ~$90 bucks. Current flattop RED chains are $75 at msrp. It would be pretty egregious to have a literal 160% price increase. 

Also—XX SL AXS? Are there going to be different SL and regular tiers of XX? 

Thanks for the keyword! Found a shop listing for the group.

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-transmission…

$2425 for a power meter kit, can't verify it much though.

EDIT

This site has a BB with new part numbers. Looking at the list XX and XXSL are different products both using the "T-Type" Chain.

https://www.sykkel.no/komponenter/sram-kranlager-spacer-kit-dub-mtb-wid…

2ND EDIT

XXSL T-Type Chain

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-hollowpin-t-…

$132.99 (maybe)

I also found some T-Type Apex stuff so it looks like there will be a pretty big overhaul of the product line.

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Uncle Cliffy 3/8/2023 1:01pm
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BrambleLee wrote:
I have no doubt the price will be $$$, but I'm skeptical of this. Maybe something was lost in translation going from aussie bucks to freedom...

I have no doubt the price will be $$$, but I'm skeptical of this. Maybe something was lost in translation going from aussie bucks to freedom dollars? XX1 chains are ~$90 bucks. Current flattop RED chains are $75 at msrp. It would be pretty egregious to have a literal 160% price increase. 

Also—XX SL AXS? Are there going to be different SL and regular tiers of XX? 

NoahColorado wrote:
I think the plan is to have: XX, Deluxe XX, Super Deluxe XX, Super Deluxe XX Select, Super Deluxe XX Select Plus, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate...

I think the plan is to have:

XX, Deluxe XX, Super Deluxe XX, Super Deluxe XX Select, Super Deluxe XX Select Plus, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate SL, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate SL AXS, and, of course, Super Deluxe XX Ultimate SL AXS Flight Control™ B52 C130 with Electrolytes.

They’ve got what curmudgeon MTB forum nerds crave.

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blensen 3/8/2023 1:45pm
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ebruner wrote:
Not that anyone cares... I have gx axs and I'm on my 3rd derailleur (first two were warrantied for clutch failures). I originally had it on...

Not that anyone cares... I have gx axs and I'm on my 3rd derailleur (first two were warrantied for clutch failures). I originally had it on my enduro bike because that's the bike I put all the fancy stuff on... but I also travel with it in a bike bag often and liked the ability to remove it from the frame easily and not having to wrap it in a pool noodle to protect the rear triangle.

I digress... I have since removed it from my enduro bike and moved it over to my ebike and if given the choice, I would not buy AXS for my bikes going forward.  IME, the clutch is not as strong on the gx axs derailleurs as it is on mechanical.  I also find that I can shift faster with mechanical shifting in general and when there is a problem with shifting or indexing, it's easier for me to deal with on the trail using a barrel adjuster.  I do prefer the ergonomics of the axs shifter, and it doesn't bother me as much when it's on my emtb because I'm already managing a battery over there, and my ebike (ep8) already sounds like a clattering hunk of trash when hammering technical terrain.  

Long story short... not everyone prefers axs.... especially in it's current configuration.  

One last rant/conversation regarding this.  I do hope that the new axs stuff fixes what I believe is my biggest annoyance with sram drivetrains which is wandering b-tension and excessive non-tensioned (bottom) chain slap on low pivot frames.  I believe that these are related and far worse on some frames then the others.  I am hopeful that the new direct mount attachment method will remedy this.

 

Good points. On both my GX AXS derailleurs I've swapped the skinny red o-ring between the main derailleur body and the b-tension stop plate for one slightly thicker. It still bolts together the same, but it acts a little like a second clutch in the derailleur and doesn't let the main body flop around as much.

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BrambleLee 3/8/2023 1:49pm
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BSK wrote:
Thanks for the keyword! Found a shop listing for the group. https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-transmission-axs-groupset/139580567/p $2425 for a power meter kit, can't verify it much though. EDIT This site...

Thanks for the keyword! Found a shop listing for the group.

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-transmission…

$2425 for a power meter kit, can't verify it much though.

EDIT

This site has a BB with new part numbers. Looking at the list XX and XXSL are different products both using the "T-Type" Chain.

https://www.sykkel.no/komponenter/sram-kranlager-spacer-kit-dub-mtb-wid…

2ND EDIT

XXSL T-Type Chain

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-hollowpin-t-…

$132.99 (maybe)

I also found some T-Type Apex stuff so it looks like there will be a pretty big overhaul of the product line.

Looking forward to the Santa Cruz Blur CC XX SL T-Type Transmission Eagle AXS RSV model hitting shop floors.

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Krispy 3/8/2023 2:09pm
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MTBrent wrote:
Just finished the John Hall podcast (3+ hours goes by fast!). He confirmed the production Intense DH bike will be aluminum.  Potentially more aluminum Intense frames...

Just finished the John Hall podcast (3+ hours goes by fast!).

He confirmed the production Intense DH bike will be aluminum.  Potentially more aluminum Intense frames in the future?

And willet be made in SoCal? They have any Asian aluminum production?

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sprungmass 3/8/2023 2:54pm
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BSK wrote:
Thanks for the keyword! Found a shop listing for the group. https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-transmission-axs-groupset/139580567/p $2425 for a power meter kit, can't verify it much though. EDIT This site...

Thanks for the keyword! Found a shop listing for the group.

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-transmission…

$2425 for a power meter kit, can't verify it much though.

EDIT

This site has a BB with new part numbers. Looking at the list XX and XXSL are different products both using the "T-Type" Chain.

https://www.sykkel.no/komponenter/sram-kranlager-spacer-kit-dub-mtb-wid…

2ND EDIT

XXSL T-Type Chain

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-hollowpin-t-…

$132.99 (maybe)

I also found some T-Type Apex stuff so it looks like there will be a pretty big overhaul of the product line.

Sounds about right. The XO AXS group will be $1599. XXSL without pwm could be $1999. Given that Quarq integrated chain rings go for $400, then that $2425 price seems about right.

Also couldn't you just use the SRAM red chain instead?

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JerseyMojo 3/8/2023 3:09pm
3/8/2023 3:09pm
TannerVal wrote:
 Can’t tell if there’s something different going on here from the electric RAD shocks Richie and co we’re running last season but that dial perpendicular to...

6732A421-342F-49DD-AC18-84B8A1B37F28

 Can’t tell if there’s something different going on here from the electric RAD shocks Richie and co we’re running last season but that dial perpendicular to the shock looks new.

piroloco wrote:

Burgtec Cloud saddle?

Also not using Ergon clamps either. Maybe total move away from them. He was running Burgtec grips last season I think. 

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hardbash 3/8/2023 3:42pm
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$2k for a groupset? Does it come with a spare bike?

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Tim Horton 3/8/2023 4:00pm
3/8/2023 4:00pm
BSK wrote:
Thanks for the keyword! Found a shop listing for the group. https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-transmission-axs-groupset/139580567/p $2425 for a power meter kit, can't verify it much though. EDIT This site...

Thanks for the keyword! Found a shop listing for the group.

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-transmission…

$2425 for a power meter kit, can't verify it much though.

EDIT

This site has a BB with new part numbers. Looking at the list XX and XXSL are different products both using the "T-Type" Chain.

https://www.sykkel.no/komponenter/sram-kranlager-spacer-kit-dub-mtb-wid…

2ND EDIT

XXSL T-Type Chain

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xxsl-t-type-eagle-hollowpin-t-…

$132.99 (maybe)

I also found some T-Type Apex stuff so it looks like there will be a pretty big overhaul of the product line.

sprungmass wrote:
Sounds about right. The XO AXS group will be $1599. XXSL without pwm could be $1999. Given that Quarq integrated chain rings go for $400, then...

Sounds about right. The XO AXS group will be $1599. XXSL without pwm could be $1999. Given that Quarq integrated chain rings go for $400, then that $2425 price seems about right.

Also couldn't you just use the SRAM red chain instead?

No, red chain has different size rollers, or some weird thing. fractions of millimeters. 

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meizoso 3/8/2023 4:38pm
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Its getting super "Apple-ish" with this new sram products. Could be good for everyone if they do the same, introduce this new "XX SL" (i believe SL goes for super light), and leave XX1 axs, X01 axs, GX axs, XX1, X01, GX, etc.. so everyone still buy em. Not stopping production, so now we have a choice and this new group set just opens another category.

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BrambleLee 3/8/2023 4:43pm
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sprungmass wrote:
Sounds about right. The XO AXS group will be $1599. XXSL without pwm could be $1999. Given that Quarq integrated chain rings go for $400, then...

Sounds about right. The XO AXS group will be $1599. XXSL without pwm could be $1999. Given that Quarq integrated chain rings go for $400, then that $2425 price seems about right.

Also couldn't you just use the SRAM red chain instead?

When AXS first launched 4 or 5 years ago or whenever it was, pricing was 1900usd for X01 in a groupset that included crankset/chain/cassette/derailleur/controller/charger. I wonder what the new $1599 group consists of? That's twice the price of the current "upgrade kit" which is just derailleur/controller/charger, which, ooof that'd be rough if that's what we're talking about. On the other hand, if it's $1599 for, say, derailleur/controller/chain/cassette—well, I ain't spending that, but it's not as bad as I could have imagined.

You know what, I'm actually a lot more curious about the new Codes than I am the drivetrain stuff. I've seen the levers, but not the calipers. Anyone got any intel on the brake situation? Prices/performance claims/what do the calipers look like, etc.?

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sprungmass 3/8/2023 4:57pm
3/8/2023 4:57pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2023 4:59pm

Afaik that prices includes everything except a bottom bracket so it would be comparable to the $1900 launch price of XO1 in 2019. Given the inflation, not bad. Ideally it should be a lot less because they should be reusing their knowledge of the electronics from previous generation.

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laurikuris 3/8/2023 9:50pm
3/8/2023 9:50pm Edited Date/Time 3/9/2023 3:00am

Got those tradeinn pages from google cache. If thats correct, then crazy prices.
2925€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle Transmission Powermeter AXS Groupset
2475€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle Transmission Powermeter AXS Groupset
2214€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle Transmission AXS Groupset
2205€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle Transmission AXS Groupset
1800€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle E-MTB Bosch Transmission AXS Groupset

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:clqJ_LiFuAcJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:G2PuKKSkbyQJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XpGfRGeYpEgJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:11ZIvx3l078J:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XY-tRwu-NsEJ:http…

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laurikuris 3/8/2023 11:18pm
3/8/2023 11:18pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2023 1:27am

Cassettes

648€? Sram XS-1299 T-Type Eagle Cassette
594€? Sram XS-1297 T-Type Eagle Cassette
432€? Sram XG-1295 T-Type Eagle Cassette (E-MTB approved)

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4p7VyyvC-cMJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a4L_xHVE_5cJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TWJqTeGjOcEJ:http…

 


Chains
162€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle HollowPin T-Type PVD Chain With PowerLock
135€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle HollowPin T-Type PVD Chain With PowerLock

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0jwpanErQMIJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xIGG00JyGAEJ:http…

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Sonofbovril2 3/8/2023 11:30pm
3/8/2023 11:30pm
laurikuris wrote:
Got those tradeinn pages from google cache. If thats correct, then crazy prices. 2925€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle Transmission Powermeter AXS Groupset 2475€? Sram XX T-Type...

Got those tradeinn pages from google cache. If thats correct, then crazy prices.
2925€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle Transmission Powermeter AXS Groupset
2475€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle Transmission Powermeter AXS Groupset
2214€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle Transmission AXS Groupset
2205€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle Transmission AXS Groupset
1800€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle E-MTB Bosch Transmission AXS Groupset

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:clqJ_LiFuAcJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:G2PuKKSkbyQJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XpGfRGeYpEgJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:11ZIvx3l078J:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XY-tRwu-NsEJ:http…

In my opinion they may have misjudged the current economic climate, but I'm pretty sure they'll still sell a bunch of these to all the fanboyz out there. I was hoping to see more trickle down AXS technology, not more higher end inflation personally. I guess they ARE still refining the concept, but I'll be trying out the new CUES instead...

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lickmycrinkle 3/8/2023 11:32pm
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peecee wrote:
Please ignore me if these were covered ages ago but I but popped onto the Giant site to see if they had a sale but they...

Please ignore me if these were covered ages ago but I but popped onto the Giant site to see if they had a sale but they have new bikes and frames 

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/au/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension#…

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Giant engineers laughing all the way to the bank. Have any of them put a pen to paper since 2014?

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SteveClimber 3/9/2023 12:38am
3/9/2023 12:38am
lickmycrinkle wrote:

Giant engineers laughing all the way to the bank. Have any of them put a pen to paper since 2014?

Just slacken the head angle and adjust reach and stack and lower standover, its all anyone else is doing really. The suspension platform is solid, it doesn't need to change, just like all the horst link bikes out there. 

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gonza.s.m. 3/9/2023 1:27am
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lickmycrinkle wrote:

Giant engineers laughing all the way to the bank. Have any of them put a pen to paper since 2014?

What do you mean?? 

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Sonofbovril2 3/9/2023 2:14am
3/9/2023 2:14am
lickmycrinkle wrote:

Giant engineers laughing all the way to the bank. Have any of them put a pen to paper since 2014?

gonza.s.m. wrote:

What do you mean?? 

I think he means that the bikes haven't really changed design wise since 2014, which is not true. They have kept the same suspension platform, which has been tweaked with every iteration, they have reworked the front & rear triangle and changed the angles with every iteration as well. You could pretty much argue that Yeti and Sant Cruz have done much the same, bar some frame storage bs and tube in tube cable routing...

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laurikuris wrote:
Cassettes 648€? Sram XS-1299 T-Type Eagle Cassette 594€? Sram XS-1297 T-Type Eagle Cassette 432€? Sram XG-1295 T-Type Eagle Cassette (E-MTB approved) https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4p7VyyvC-cMJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xs-1299-t-type-eagle-cassette/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a4L_xHVE_5cJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xs-1297-t-type-eagle-cassette/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TWJqTeGjOcEJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xg-1295-t-type-eagle-cassette/    ...

Cassettes

648€? Sram XS-1299 T-Type Eagle Cassette
594€? Sram XS-1297 T-Type Eagle Cassette
432€? Sram XG-1295 T-Type Eagle Cassette (E-MTB approved)

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4p7VyyvC-cMJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a4L_xHVE_5cJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TWJqTeGjOcEJ:http…

 


Chains
162€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle HollowPin T-Type PVD Chain With PowerLock
135€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle HollowPin T-Type PVD Chain With PowerLock

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0jwpanErQMIJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xIGG00JyGAEJ:http…

Is a new freehub driver coming? From the cassette page:

Featuring a clearly marked Setup Cog, install is both simple and fool-proof.

 

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Masjo 3/9/2023 4:15am
3/9/2023 4:15am

Having XX/XO 'SL' groupsets does make sense to differentiate the XC from Enduro crowd. Last (current) gen AXS was marketed as XX1 for XC and XO1 for Enduro because of weight/materials. With an SL in the lineup they can have a 'full strength' offering and another with parts switched to carbon/hollowpin/drillium so all top riders are on XX regardless of discipline. 

Also re: AXS clutch strength, SRAM has stated that the clutch is the same between AXS and wired groupsets. Likely the difference comes from additional resistance provided by the cable. 

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laurikuris 3/9/2023 4:19am
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laurikuris wrote:
Cassettes 648€? Sram XS-1299 T-Type Eagle Cassette 594€? Sram XS-1297 T-Type Eagle Cassette 432€? Sram XG-1295 T-Type Eagle Cassette (E-MTB approved) https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4p7VyyvC-cMJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xs-1299-t-type-eagle-cassette/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a4L_xHVE_5cJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xs-1297-t-type-eagle-cassette/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TWJqTeGjOcEJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xg-1295-t-type-eagle-cassette/    ...

Cassettes

648€? Sram XS-1299 T-Type Eagle Cassette
594€? Sram XS-1297 T-Type Eagle Cassette
432€? Sram XG-1295 T-Type Eagle Cassette (E-MTB approved)

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4p7VyyvC-cMJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a4L_xHVE_5cJ:http…

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TWJqTeGjOcEJ:http…

 


Chains
162€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle HollowPin T-Type PVD Chain With PowerLock
135€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle HollowPin T-Type PVD Chain With PowerLock

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0jwpanErQMIJ:http…

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jon123 wrote:

Is a new freehub driver coming? From the cassette page:

Featuring a clearly marked Setup Cog, install is both simple and fool-proof.

 

few rows down, it says: Setup Cog for fool-proof set up. Utilizes well accepted and broadly available XD driverbody.

So I would think it`s still old XD freehub.

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laurikuris wrote:
Cassettes 648€? Sram XS-1299 T-Type Eagle Cassette 594€? Sram XS-1297 T-Type Eagle Cassette 432€? Sram XG-1295 T-Type Eagle Cassette (E-MTB approved) https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4p7VyyvC-cMJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xs-1299-t-type-eagle-cassette/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a4L_xHVE_5cJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xs-1297-t-type-eagle-cassette/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TWJqTeGjOcEJ:https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/en/sram-xg-1295-t-type-eagle-cassette/    ...

Cassettes

648€? Sram XS-1299 T-Type Eagle Cassette
594€? Sram XS-1297 T-Type Eagle Cassette
432€? Sram XG-1295 T-Type Eagle Cassette (E-MTB approved)

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162€? Sram XXSL T-Type Eagle HollowPin T-Type PVD Chain With PowerLock
135€? Sram XX T-Type Eagle HollowPin T-Type PVD Chain With PowerLock

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jon123 wrote:

Is a new freehub driver coming? From the cassette page:

Featuring a clearly marked Setup Cog, install is both simple and fool-proof.

 

laurikuris wrote:
few rows down, it says: Setup Cog for fool-proof set up. Utilizes well accepted and broadly available XD driverbody. So I would think it`s still old...

few rows down, it says: Setup Cog for fool-proof set up. Utilizes well accepted and broadly available XD driverbody.

So I would think it`s still old XD freehub.

Ah missed that, thanks. 

So what would be the purpose of a set up cog? Since the existing eagle cassette really couldn’t be any easier to install. 

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Sonofbovril2 wrote:
I think he means that the bikes haven't really changed design wise since 2014, which is not true. They have kept the same suspension platform, which...

I think he means that the bikes haven't really changed design wise since 2014, which is not true. They have kept the same suspension platform, which has been tweaked with every iteration, they have reworked the front & rear triangle and changed the angles with every iteration as well. You could pretty much argue that Yeti and Sant Cruz have done much the same, bar some frame storage bs and tube in tube cable routing...

Yeah, I totally agree. 

Of course the Maestro platform still there a long time ago, is the identity of Giant full suspension range. It works pretty good, and has improved and dialed specifically for each new model and discipline. 

BTW, I understand there are people who like to see big changes for every new model. 

There are brands that change everything every few years, and there are other brands that keep the identity/image for a long time and all the models are quite "similar". If something works, don't touch it.Grinning

No one is better way, just a different philosophy. 

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jon123 wrote:
Ah missed that, thanks.  So what would be the purpose of a set up cog? Since the existing eagle cassette really couldn’t be any easier to...

Ah missed that, thanks. 

So what would be the purpose of a set up cog? Since the existing eagle cassette really couldn’t be any easier to install. 

The setup cog is #7 with the red carrier where “b tension” is set

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Any thoughts - guesses? - on which of the new AXS components could be interchangeable with existing AXS?

I’m assuming the new derailleur, cassette and chain will all be needed and for now the new crank. But at some point I’d think Wolf Tooth and others will make a chainring that works with current DUB cranks. 

And could, say, you just buy the new controller to work with existing AXS? Would it pair?

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