COVID & Bike Fitness

jeff.brines
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At risk of starting the dumpster fire of all dumpster fire threads, I wanted to see if anyone around here has struggled with fitness following COVID. Though I am by no means as bad off as some, I've noticed my all-out efforts are ~10% off my best from last season, I seem to recover worse, and am often forced to walk sections I rode last section with relative ease.

Though there are a number of variables worth considering with something like this, it all seemed to begin when I recovered from a bout with COVID.

Yes, I've seen a medical professional who basically shrugged his shoulders and said "yeah, I notice it too, I don't know what to tell you".

The best way I can articulate the feeling I have on the bike is its like being at 14,000 feet when I'm at 7,000 feet. My body's ability to hang right on my anaerobic threshold is greatly diminished.

Still having a blast on the bike, but it'd be a lot more fun if I could start moving the right direction with this one...

Has anyone found themselves in a similar boat? Did anyone find a doctor that can help? Treatment? Supplement? Etc?

I have tried an inhaler. Seems to help midlymidly

TIA.
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mtbman99
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9/12/2022 3:30pm
I have heard it from several people that coming back has been an issue. I haven't had it as far as I am aware but a few close friends took a good month or two to get back to feeling better. 1 friend it took about 6 months.
9/12/2022 3:34pm
My (extremely) limited knowledge in this is related to the state of your lungs after serious sicknesses such as how some people experience COVID-19...
When the lungs experience inflammation there can be scar tissue in the lungs that restricts your lungs' ability to absorb oxygen. This effectively reduces your lung capacity, which would explain what you are feeling.

I am not familiar with the details, but I was sorting chest scans of healthy patients vs severe COVID-19 cases and so was told the basics.

It's something that happens with other respiratory illnesses, but because of COVID-19's breadth of symptoms it gets lost in the long list of lasting problems after recovery
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I had a similar experience after having COVID last winter (along with really bad fatigue). It took me ~3 months to get the final 10% back.

Some things that *seemed* to help were doing zone 2 riding (which was boring and frustrating) and being very patient about not pushing too hard (if I did push hard it felt like I set myself back a week as it took that long to recover).

I also gave up booze (which sucked at first but got easier).

The best advice I can offer is be patient with yourself and try not to get frustrated with slow progress and occasional setbacks.
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9/12/2022 3:55pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2022 3:56pm
I'm just over a month out from a pretty gnarly bout of covid. I still have this really annoying wheezing going on with deep breaths and it's definitely limiting on climbs. I can't actually tell if my overall lung capacity is lower than it used to be, but at the very least it's psychologically tough to be audibly wheezing when you're breathing out of your eyeballs on a fire road. Once I cough some shit up it goes away for a bit. I'm just surprised it's hung around this long.

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9/13/2022 4:57am
I'm 13 months post a mild case of Covid and also an overweight asthmatic. After Covid, I struggled with motivation to ride. I didn't want to touch a bike. I set an event goal to focus on and that helped with motivation. Now I still feel fitness issues. I'm not sure it's Covid related or not since stress levels have increased at work and home. The biggest thing I notice is it's a struggle to pedal hard for climbs or flat sections. Endurance isn't an issue, it's just top end power output.
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9/13/2022 7:40am
I had Covid this past May and haven’t been able to get back to my level of fitness from before despite riding a lot more. I race regional pro enduro and was hoping to get some EWS points for 2023 to do my first pro race but my fitness/endurance has been so shit despite training that I can’t get through a day of racing without completely bonking. Results have been trash, hoping this resolves by next year. I’d say the biggest issues are that I get short of breath way too easy sometimes (seems to be relatively inconsistent but some days I feel like I just can’t breath, other days are fine) and fatigue or “bonk” sets in any time I ride longer than an hour or so and I start to ride like crap, reaction times, strength and breathing all go out the window. Super frustrating as I’m only 22 years old. Worth mentioning that my case wasn’t severe but also wasn’t mild, had fever/chills and most congestion/green mucus I’ve ever had in my life… oh and I had been vaxed/boosted recently and still got that sick.
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jeff.brines
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I had Covid this past May and haven’t been able to get back to my level of fitness from before despite riding a lot more. I...
I had Covid this past May and haven’t been able to get back to my level of fitness from before despite riding a lot more. I race regional pro enduro and was hoping to get some EWS points for 2023 to do my first pro race but my fitness/endurance has been so shit despite training that I can’t get through a day of racing without completely bonking. Results have been trash, hoping this resolves by next year. I’d say the biggest issues are that I get short of breath way too easy sometimes (seems to be relatively inconsistent but some days I feel like I just can’t breath, other days are fine) and fatigue or “bonk” sets in any time I ride longer than an hour or so and I start to ride like crap, reaction times, strength and breathing all go out the window. Super frustrating as I’m only 22 years old. Worth mentioning that my case wasn’t severe but also wasn’t mild, had fever/chills and most congestion/green mucus I’ve ever had in my life… oh and I had been vaxed/boosted recently and still got that sick.
We seem very similar in almost every single way here. My case was mostly reflected in a fever/fatigue/flu like symptoms. I also have the ebb and flow between good and bad days. (but the good days still aren't as good - the clock doesn't lie!)

My descending ability isn't TOO far off (or at all) but my uphill ability sure is. Drives me mad.

I'll leave this thread open in the case someone finds something that can actually help mitigate/manage the problem!
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Masjo
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9/13/2022 9:36am
Maghalie Rochette (CX/MTCool had a new podcast for the CX season where she discussed her recent covid infection and recovery. Apparently she tried to get back to training once symptoms resolved but was just getting highly fatigued and ended up overtraining even with a small volume of work. She talked to Evie Richards (as she also had covid infection) who said that she had to take three weeks off of everything. It sucks, but sounds like that was the only way to 'clear the system' and get back to training.
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Bob Chicken
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9/14/2022 3:39am
+1 here...

I got it in March, was probably the fittest and strongest I've been for a long time and it kicked my butt. I couldn't do anything for about 3-4 weeks and after that it was a huge struggle... like not being able to have a conversation without running out of breath, even going to work and walking about for a few hours would lead to me being stuck in bed for a day to recover. Not fun.

Didn't help that it was coming into winter here so motivation for riding was low when I started to come good, I'm only just getting back to where I was. Was also put on anti-depressants because autumn is my favorite time to ride and I couldn't even leave the house. Seeing glorious weather outside and not being able to enjoy it does nothing for already low moral.

It's really easy to overdo it though, my advice would be start slowly and listen to your body in how it recovers. You will get better, but it doesn't help pushing then going backwards as a consequence.

I've a completely unscientific theory that people with a high level of fitness are really sensitive to it's effects because it really inhibits your ability to do what you normally do, and it's easier to lose a high level of fitness than lose not much if there was not much to begin with... I know people who's idea of exercise is walking to the pub and back, they get it and feel a bit crap for half a day and then are fine. Go figure.
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9/14/2022 9:35am
i had a mild case right before July 4th this summer. Not major symptoms, but I felt like crap for a week. I was only off my bike for about 10 days. when I got back on i definitely noticed it. the first ride i took it super easy, only felt maybe 75%. just kept pushing from there. I have spent a fair amount of time on my road bike this summer, about 5 weeks after my recovery I managed to ride a half century at a good pace. but even now i don't yet feel like I'm back to 100% and riding hard charging again.
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9/14/2022 11:00am
I understand a permanent reduction in some lung capacity may be an aftereffect of that virus. I hope that's not the case with you.

In (somewhat) happier news, you could be "overtrained" if you are still coming back from an illness and immediately trying to get back to your previous fitness level. It might be better in the long run for you to rest for a week or two, then start your training regimen back up.
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11/24/2022 1:07pm Edited Date/Time 11/24/2022 11:13pm

Assuming you're talking about coming back from a Covid-19 infection, there are a few things to consider. First, it can take weeks or even months for your lungs to recover from the virus entirely. This will obviously impact your endurance and ability to ride at full intensity. Second, even if you're otherwise healthy, the stress of having had the virus can take a toll on your body and make it harder to recover from workouts. For example, I use https://behemothlabz.com/product/mk-677-ibutamoren-liquid, which helps me to recover faster. Finally, it's possible that you picked up some bad habits during your time off from riding (e.g., eating junk food, not exercising, etc.), which can also impact your fitness.

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11/25/2022 1:16pm Edited Date/Time 11/25/2022 1:17pm

I think a lot had to do with your strain you contracted.

I was fine, I still worked from home, in essence just a little bit sick. I've had worse hangovers (omicron strain) I was riding a week later like nothing had happened.

A good buddy of mine had the delta strain about 6 months prior, he is only getting back to full strength now about 11 months on! He was absolutely floored and useless on a bike for months, he is a fit dude too.

I suspect, with no medical training and knowledge, that if it gets into your lungs (ie coughing and shit) it takes longer.

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12/12/2022 11:07am

Two close riding buddies are a wreck months after contracting Covid. They just can't really pedal their bikes any longer and bail out about 1/3 of the way into our 'usual' rides npw.

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I had a mild case of Covid and it really didn't affect me after a 2 week recovery.

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12/15/2022 11:03am

Glad to see I am not the only one. Thanks for sharing.

I have not felt myself in a long time after finishing the Colorado trail race and getting crushed by giardia a week after in Aug 2021, then Covid in Feb 2022 (followed by multiple other illnesses and shoulder dislocations later this year, fun!). Heart palpitations after giardia which have continued until now. Then after Covid I have felt very similar issues as you Jeff. I live at 7,000 ft, am an endurance MTB racer, and regularly ride/hike/climb at 10-14.5k. I've always had strong/healthy lungs and I have never struggled at altitude; I have always been able to try as hard as I could to stay on the bike no matter how steep, rugged, and high. This year, there were times where I simply could not fathom riding my bike up something at altitude as I feel like, if I tried, I would pass out. I have had an odd feeling of lightheadedness riding and in regular life as well. It has caused me some uneasiness being way out there on my own, something that I have generally thrived at doing.

Oddly enough, after a couple day trip riding at 12k, I'd feel acclimated and ready to hammer it and I did put down some PRs this year and felt amazing. When those days will happen is very inconsistent and I've had many days of big-time fatigue, lightheadedness, and heart palpitations. Also, those efforts are very depleting and finish me off whereas in years past those types of efforts could be repeated and followed up with hours of riding. I feel as though in previous years I could go go go even when fatigued. This year has been way different. I've rested much more and ridden less than usual this year (maybe I need to rest even more?) and have also been to the doctor. Because my vitals check out much better than the average person and I explain what I am doing, I get the shoulder shrug as well.

I'm very into dialing in nutrition and have felt the need the need to eat even more on the bike this year (not totally a bad thing but odd). I tried hitting the electrolytes hard and ended up with blood levels off so backed off a bit. I am currently trying vitamin D as I was bit low in that, it seems to be helping but only slightly. I'm stoked to see how I feel when I'm back to 100%. 

I'll be following this thread for anything that has helped others in a similar situation. It could be worse for me as well, still loving my bike, but something is not quite right. 

 

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12/15/2022 1:40pm

Check out the FLCCC Alliance.  It was started by a few very well respected doctors (at least they were before they went against the powers that be).  They have a variety of protocols for covid and covid shot injury treatment.  The link below is to their Log Covid Treatment.  Also, consider seeing a good functional medicine doctor.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-recover-long-covi…

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12/15/2022 3:20pm

A few interesting videos by Vinay Prasad on YT where he goes over two recent studies into long Covid. It turns out long term effects are no different from influenza etc and it's potentially a mental thing. Also don't forget the S1 in the vaccine causes the same symptoms as the disease, but with wider distribution. 

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Hi all, I'm a long time vital lurker but signed up to join in the convo. Thanks for sharing and I can only echo what others have said.

I had Covid at the end of Jan. It wasn't that bad, was ill for maybe 3 days. But I tested positive for 16 days straight after, which I thought was a bit weird. I took it easy for a month but slowly got back into riding. I noticed that my top end was completely gone but my endurance was ok. So this is probably related to lungs not getting oxygen in as others have said. I'm asthmatic so maybe have been hit harder in this department.

I feel light headed and a bit 'not quite right' most of the time these days, but have sort of learnt to ignore it and carry on. 

But the biggest symptom is the fatigue. If I go for it on a ride or at the gym, it will make me feel like shit for weeks after. I can't do back to back days like I used to and muscles ache for 3-4 times as long as they used to. It's really clipped my wings. 

I've decided to have December off pretty much all exercise and see what happens in the new year because this has been going on for almost a year now and I'm desperate to get back to where I was. Maybe strict rest could help, and then stick to zone 2 stuff after that for a while. I'll report back!

2/13/2023 10:44am

I have worked with many athletes from a variety of sports who have had COVID and had a variety of struggles after. Some short lived some long term (read: several months).

As many have noted here there is some time needed for the lungs and body to recover from the virus even after your body has fought off the virus.

Frequently when it takes for then a few days or a week to recover and you fitness doesn't bounce back, chronic fatigue lasts months there is an autonomic nervous system dysfunction that occurs. Basically your body thinks it under lots of stress and in flight or flight mode whenever you exercise. I monitor what someone's heart rate response is to low load exercise and gradually increase to see anything that is not typical. Bonus if you have data to show your HR response to your typical work loads from before getting sick. 

Ultimately, patience will be needed as there is very little that can be done to stop this process. The athletes who were impatient and tried to push past the obvious feelings of fatigue and excessively high heart rates were more likely to have set backs and prolong the whole experience.

It is frustrating to not push yourself like you want to, it's unfortunately something that you cannot control. You can only control with how you respond to the adversity.

Chris 

www.alpinemtbtraining.com.
@alpinemtbtraining

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2/13/2023 11:01am

Awesome to hear your experiences with it Chris, cheers. 

To update my story, I took dec and jan completely off all exercise, and just walked more. And it's worked wonders. Whooop! 

Wish I'd done that a year ago instead of ignoring the symptoms. Now to get fit again Grinning 

2/13/2023 2:17pm
markb2392 wrote:
Awesome to hear your experiences with it Chris, cheers.  To update my story, I took dec and jan completely off all exercise, and just walked more...

Awesome to hear your experiences with it Chris, cheers. 

To update my story, I took dec and jan completely off all exercise, and just walked more. And it's worked wonders. Whooop! 

Wish I'd done that a year ago instead of ignoring the symptoms. Now to get fit again Grinning 

Great to hear things turned around for you Mark!

Hope more riders with long COVID find this and helps them recover.

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2/13/2023 2:50pm
markb2392 wrote:
Awesome to hear your experiences with it Chris, cheers.  To update my story, I took dec and jan completely off all exercise, and just walked more...

Awesome to hear your experiences with it Chris, cheers. 

To update my story, I took dec and jan completely off all exercise, and just walked more. And it's worked wonders. Whooop! 

Wish I'd done that a year ago instead of ignoring the symptoms. Now to get fit again Grinning 

I did the same thing when I got Covid last January, just walked daily and gradually increased the duration and intensity of the walking until I felt better.  It still took nearly 4 months to get back to where I was prior to getting sick.

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natedog145 wrote:
Glad to see I am not the only one. Thanks for sharing. I have not felt myself in a long time after finishing the Colorado trail...

Glad to see I am not the only one. Thanks for sharing.

I have not felt myself in a long time after finishing the Colorado trail race and getting crushed by giardia a week after in Aug 2021, then Covid in Feb 2022 (followed by multiple other illnesses and shoulder dislocations later this year, fun!). Heart palpitations after giardia which have continued until now. Then after Covid I have felt very similar issues as you Jeff. I live at 7,000 ft, am an endurance MTB racer, and regularly ride/hike/climb at 10-14.5k. I've always had strong/healthy lungs and I have never struggled at altitude; I have always been able to try as hard as I could to stay on the bike no matter how steep, rugged, and high. This year, there were times where I simply could not fathom riding my bike up something at altitude as I feel like, if I tried, I would pass out. I have had an odd feeling of lightheadedness riding and in regular life as well. It has caused me some uneasiness being way out there on my own, something that I have generally thrived at doing.

Oddly enough, after a couple day trip riding at 12k, I'd feel acclimated and ready to hammer it and I did put down some PRs this year and felt amazing. When those days will happen is very inconsistent and I've had many days of big-time fatigue, lightheadedness, and heart palpitations. Also, those efforts are very depleting and finish me off whereas in years past those types of efforts could be repeated and followed up with hours of riding. I feel as though in previous years I could go go go even when fatigued. This year has been way different. I've rested much more and ridden less than usual this year (maybe I need to rest even more?) and have also been to the doctor. Because my vitals check out much better than the average person and I explain what I am doing, I get the shoulder shrug as well.

I'm very into dialing in nutrition and have felt the need the need to eat even more on the bike this year (not totally a bad thing but odd). I tried hitting the electrolytes hard and ended up with blood levels off so backed off a bit. I am currently trying vitamin D as I was bit low in that, it seems to be helping but only slightly. I'm stoked to see how I feel when I'm back to 100%. 

I'll be following this thread for anything that has helped others in a similar situation. It could be worse for me as well, still loving my bike, but something is not quite right. 

 

How are you doing? I'm also thinking about trying Vitamin D as I have faced the same problem. Did it work for you?

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5/18/2023 3:37am Edited Date/Time 5/18/2023 3:38am
natedog145 wrote:
Glad to see I am not the only one. Thanks for sharing. I have not felt myself in a long time after finishing the Colorado trail...

Glad to see I am not the only one. Thanks for sharing.

I have not felt myself in a long time after finishing the Colorado trail race and getting crushed by giardia a week after in Aug 2021, then Covid in Feb 2022 (followed by multiple other illnesses and shoulder dislocations later this year, fun!). Heart palpitations after giardia which have continued until now. Then after Covid I have felt very similar issues as you Jeff. I live at 7,000 ft, am an endurance MTB racer, and regularly ride/hike/climb at 10-14.5k. I've always had strong/healthy lungs and I have never struggled at altitude; I have always been able to try as hard as I could to stay on the bike no matter how steep, rugged, and high. This year, there were times where I simply could not fathom riding my bike up something at altitude as I feel like, if I tried, I would pass out. I have had an odd feeling of lightheadedness riding and in regular life as well. It has caused me some uneasiness being way out there on my own, something that I have generally thrived at doing.

Oddly enough, after a couple day trip riding at 12k, I'd feel acclimated and ready to hammer it and I did put down some PRs this year and felt amazing. When those days will happen is very inconsistent and I've had many days of big-time fatigue, lightheadedness, and heart palpitations. Also, those efforts are very depleting and finish me off whereas in years past those types of efforts could be repeated and followed up with hours of riding. I feel as though in previous years I could go go go even when fatigued. This year has been way different. I've rested much more and ridden less than usual this year (maybe I need to rest even more?) and have also been to the doctor. Because my vitals check out much better than the average person and I explain what I am doing, I get the shoulder shrug as well.

I'm very into dialing in nutrition and have felt the need the need to eat even more on the bike this year (not totally a bad thing but odd). I tried hitting the electrolytes hard and ended up with blood levels off so backed off a bit. I am currently trying vitamin D as I was bit low in that, it seems to be helping but only slightly. I'm stoked to see how I feel when I'm back to 100%. 

I'll be following this thread for anything that has helped others in a similar situation. It could be worse for me as well, still loving my bike, but something is not quite right. 

 

katr wrote:

How are you doing? I'm also thinking about trying Vitamin D as I have faced the same problem. Did it work for you?

I read the study showed that those people who got enough vitamin D lost more weight. Getting adequate amounts of vitamin D may enhance weight loss, decrease body fat and limit weight gain. Since I started my weight loss journey, I take vitamin D on a daily basis. I checked these BioTRUST complaints before making the purchase, and I'm glad that I didn't rely on some of them as this brand turned out to be trustworthy. 

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I have worked with many athletes from a variety of sports who have had COVID and had a variety of struggles after. Some short lived some...

I have worked with many athletes from a variety of sports who have had COVID and had a variety of struggles after. Some short lived some long term (read: several months).

As many have noted here there is some time needed for the lungs and body to recover from the virus even after your body has fought off the virus.

Frequently when it takes for then a few days or a week to recover and you fitness doesn't bounce back, chronic fatigue lasts months there is an autonomic nervous system dysfunction that occurs. Basically your body thinks it under lots of stress and in flight or flight mode whenever you exercise. I monitor what someone's heart rate response is to low load exercise and gradually increase to see anything that is not typical. Bonus if you have data to show your HR response to your typical work loads from before getting sick. 

Ultimately, patience will be needed as there is very little that can be done to stop this process. The athletes who were impatient and tried to push past the obvious feelings of fatigue and excessively high heart rates were more likely to have set backs and prolong the whole experience.

It is frustrating to not push yourself like you want to, it's unfortunately something that you cannot control. You can only control with how you respond to the adversity.

Chris 

www.alpinemtbtraining.com.
@alpinemtbtraining

This post is full of wisdom.

I didn't suffer from COVID and the organizing pneumonia associated with it but contracted Influenza B in April 2023. I suffered from Viral and Bacterial Pneumonia as well as Sepsis. This put me in the hospital for 8 days and on full time oxygen and a walker when I got out. I was off work for 8 weeks and now, 5 months later I am still recovering from Cryptogenic Organizing Pneumonia. The respiratory effects of COVID is a type of organizing pneumonia similar to what I am dealing with.

If you can get medical attention and see a pulminary specialist after recovering from COVID, you'll likely find you have "groundglass diffusion" within your lungs an it is limiting your O2 saturation and decreasing your total lung capacity and total lung volume.

I am on a treatment plan now to reduce this organizing pneumonia and hopefully regain most of my capacity and volume back.

I hope my experience can educate others on a path forward and keep them from losing all of their fitness and ability to ride and/or compete.

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