No Vaccine, No Lourdes World Cup for Racers?

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Just checking, has this thread changed anyones mind? No? How interesting.....
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Stewyeww wrote:
There are more factors than just vaccine or no vaccine, in Canada, around 90% of deaths from covid were in people with pre-existing chronic conditions, around...
There are more factors than just vaccine or no vaccine, in Canada, around 90% of deaths from covid were in people with pre-existing chronic conditions, around 80% of deaths were in people 65 or older. Dementia and alzheimer was highest in older people followed by high blood pressure, in people 45 and under obesity, nervous system disorders and diabetes. An aging and unhealthy population looks like a pretty direct link to deaths so why aren't governments pushing people to live healthier lifestyles? More lives would be saved by banning fast food and cigarettes than making the covid vaccine mandatory.

That's not to say young healthy people wont die and older sick people would live, but more that a lot of healthcare systems around the world can be doing things better.
I'd like to understand the subset of people who oppose vaccine mandates but would be [i]pro [/i]healthy lifestyle mandates, but I'm afraid my brain is too...
I'd like to understand the subset of people who oppose vaccine mandates but would be pro healthy lifestyle mandates, but I'm afraid my brain is too smooth.
Stewyeww wrote:
I guess it is..... Countries where less than 40% of the population was overweight had death rates of around 10-100 000, countries with a overweight population...
I guess it is.....

Countries where less than 40% of the population was overweight had death rates of around 10-100 000, countries with a overweight population with more than 50% have death rates closer to 100-100 000. Im not telling you to not get the vaccine, im just saying there is more to it than getting vaccine and calling it good.
Uhhh, the general population should choose get the vaccine (healthy lifestyle of not) to stop their elderly relatives with the risky conditions you describe from dying when you pass it on to them.
(June 2020);
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/discover/2020/06/coronavirus-risk-for-older-people-updated/



FWIW, UK adults are 84% double vaccinated (64% boosted) and I've not heard of anyone's limbs falling off/multiplying in their sleep.

The UK was hit hard by Covid prior to vaccines - around 1 in 12 over 80s in the UK had already died of Covid by January 2021 (about 1 months after vaccines began rolling out here).

One year into the UK rollout, and our daily Covid deaths have dropped by 85% (around 70% prior to Omicron). https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England
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lewzz10 wrote:
Uhhh, the general population should choose get the vaccine (healthy lifestyle of not) to stop their elderly relatives with the risky conditions you describe from dying...
Uhhh, the general population should choose get the vaccine (healthy lifestyle of not) to stop their elderly relatives with the risky conditions you describe from dying when you pass it on to them.
(June 2020);
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/discover/2020/06/coronavirus-risk-for-older-people-updated/



FWIW, UK adults are 84% double vaccinated (64% boosted) and I've not heard of anyone's limbs falling off/multiplying in their sleep.

The UK was hit hard by Covid prior to vaccines - around 1 in 12 over 80s in the UK had already died of Covid by January 2021 (about 1 months after vaccines began rolling out here).

One year into the UK rollout, and our daily Covid deaths have dropped by 85% (around 70% prior to Omicron). https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England
Man that 1 in 12 stat is grim
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Just checking, has this thread changed anyones mind? No? How interesting.....
Whoa there, let some of us answer your question first....


No, this thread hasn't changed my mind.

Mind bomb.
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Stewyeww wrote:
There are more factors than just vaccine or no vaccine, in Canada, around 90% of deaths from covid were in people with pre-existing chronic conditions, around...
There are more factors than just vaccine or no vaccine, in Canada, around 90% of deaths from covid were in people with pre-existing chronic conditions, around 80% of deaths were in people 65 or older. Dementia and alzheimer was highest in older people followed by high blood pressure, in people 45 and under obesity, nervous system disorders and diabetes. An aging and unhealthy population looks like a pretty direct link to deaths so why aren't governments pushing people to live healthier lifestyles? More lives would be saved by banning fast food and cigarettes than making the covid vaccine mandatory.

That's not to say young healthy people wont die and older sick people would live, but more that a lot of healthcare systems around the world can be doing things better.
Considering the fact people still over drink, over eat shit food, smoke and do hard drugs knowing any of the likely outcomes and still don't take up a healthy lifestyle, random Russian flu roulette doesn't seem likely to sway them.

bizutch, that seems like a pretty huge group to have that many issues so close together that it sounds like there's some sore of secondary cause, of course I don't know this for sure. I've heard mentions of issues in my local community but of all the people I know in the 3 major Canadian cities I've lived in and family all over and in the US, I don't know one person who has had an issue past a sore arm. That's likely a couple thousand people between 10 and 87 and if all health types. Again not saying it didn't happen, it just seems like a very tight group to have that many issues.

Also, they've use dogs in airports, boarders, ports, policing, and generally everywhere since dogs have been domesticated. Dogs can detect anything from Cocain to Cancer. You seem to be kind relating the fact modern Germans are using dogs to detect things previous German outings which is pretty different.
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ssk wrote:
I'll dive into this pile of BS thread head first for 1 post. I get to see people die at work from covid everyday, I haven't...
I'll dive into this pile of BS thread head first for 1 post.

I get to see people die at work from covid everyday, I haven't seen one vaccinated person die in the last 2 months

If you want to control covid in order prevent the most deaths you have 2 options, vax and masking or super strict lockdowns and masking.

In the US, the only way to get people to vax at a much higher rate will be for health insurance companies to refuse to pay covid related treatment costs for those that choose not to be vaccinated.
derelict wrote:
That last thing is coming. Just wait. Health insurance will pick it up. They will only be willing to provide free tests and masks for so...
That last thing is coming. Just wait. Health insurance will pick it up. They will only be willing to provide free tests and masks for so long before telling the government 'no'. They do it obesity and other things.


The argument about "liberty" is a weak one. The nation was founded on the ideas of liberty. But people frequently forget about the next part, which is license and social contract. You may have the ability to do something but you do not always have the right to do it. If it affects one, it affects all. These are John Locke founding principles and if you read him, the "founders" basically plagiarized his stuff into our Constitution.

It is hilariously sad that a massive health issue became a political issue. It makes sense though, seeing that the two party system needs to find ways to demonstrably separate us into two fictitious groups through fear in order for them to maintain power. Washington saw it coming and warned about it in his farewell address. So did Madison in Federalist 10. The spirit of POS Joe McCarthy lives on...
somebody gets it
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bizutch wrote:
You can certainly argue that the experimental vaccine trials are effective, but when there are plenty of us with friends & relatives who have suffered severe...
You can certainly argue that the experimental vaccine trials are effective, but when there are plenty of us with friends & relatives who have suffered severe reactions or died of their first ever heart attack 3 days after the jab, you're not winning any friends.

Quite literally saw my cousin's lower abdomen and legs and they're purple almost 6 months after his legs clotted so bad they tured to sludge 3 days after his shot.
He's had 2 surgeries and scheduled for several more.

Personally saw my brother in law's leg balloon and get to go to the hospital the day after his shot.
Personally saw the obituary of a friends uncle who died of a sudden heart attack 2 days after his shot.

A friend whose aunt and her son both passed within a month of their shots after sudden escalation of unexplained, multiple complications just...out of nowhere.
Personally spoke to the father a girl on my daughter's softball team. The girl couldn't get out of bed for 2 days from debilitating leg pains and still can't run after her jab.

I and 6-8 families in my class at church all went through Covid without having the jab and all fully recovered &; now have antibodies, T cells, B cells & a far more durable immune response to the bug than any person alive who took the shots.

And this garbage about "Oh, but my symptoms were milder because I had the shot". It is impossible to prove that because NOBODY asked our group of 30-40 people about our symptoms. So it's impossible logic.

And then of course, there is a new Columbia study indicating way more people die of the vaccines than reported:

https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/columbia-study-true-u-s-co…

And of course, Facebook deletes posts on your personal page if you link to a reporting website for vaccine side effects reporting. And FB shut down vacccine side effect support group pages.

But hey...perfectly safe.
So you're saying that there is no way to prove that the vaccine leads to a milder outcome? But we're to believe that because someone had...
So you're saying that there is no way to prove that the vaccine leads to a milder outcome?
But we're to believe that because someone had a heart attack several days after a shot that the vaccine was the cause of the heart attack?

Mmm'k

Cousin, friend's aunt people at my church = not science.

While we're being antidotal, my coworker's wife is a nurse. At the hospital she works at, which once again is full of Covid patients. Guess what the one thing they all have in common? That's right, unvaxxed. Crazy coincidence I guess...
Quote yesterday from the Governor of CT email that goes out every weekday:

“Of the 1,695 patients currently hospitalized with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, 965 (56.9%) are not fully vaccinated.

For the week beginning January 9, 2022, unvaccinated persons had a 3.2x greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 compared to fully vaccinated persons.

For the week beginning January 9, 2022, unvaccinated persons had a 13.9x greater risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to fully vaccinated persons.”
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1/22/2022 1:45pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2022 1:46pm
https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-bill-criminalize-use-sale-fak…


100% Hitler Approved!!!! SCOTUS would toss that in a blink. My god, people are stupid. Those states need not wonder why they are failing.


But, in the same state if you pillage a store and rob someone, well, that is all good......
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I guess Djokovic won’t be racing at Lourdes then 😂
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1/22/2022 2:27pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2022 2:30pm
https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-bill-criminalize-use-sale-fake-vaccine-cards 100% Hitler Approved!!!! SCOTUS would toss that in a blink. My god, people are stupid. Those states need not wonder why they are failing. But...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-bill-criminalize-use-sale-fak…


100% Hitler Approved!!!! SCOTUS would toss that in a blink. My god, people are stupid. Those states need not wonder why they are failing.


But, in the same state if you pillage a store and rob someone, well, that is all good......
So wait... Vaccine stuff once again aside... They're making the creation of false documents illegal. Isn't that already a law for most documents? Government issued or otherwise? Medicare cards, drivers licenses, bus pass, voter information, etc. This isn't a new thing to making false documents illegal.

https://prisonprofessors.com/forgery/
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1/22/2022 2:48pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2022 2:58pm
Metadave....the entire vaccine passport will be torn down by SCOTUS.

But, ID to vote????? Thats too much :-)

Oh, NOTHING about our handwritten vaccine cards are even slightly "ID" grade. We have our MA's sign them. They certainly can not sign for an RX or even a basic lab draw....but, ChinaFlu passport? Why the hell not.
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1/23/2022 3:38am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2022 3:39am
https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-bill-criminalize-use-sale-fake-vaccine-cards 100% Hitler Approved!!!! SCOTUS would toss that in a blink. My god, people are stupid. Those states need not wonder why they are failing. But...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-bill-criminalize-use-sale-fak…


100% Hitler Approved!!!! SCOTUS would toss that in a blink. My god, people are stupid. Those states need not wonder why they are failing.


But, in the same state if you pillage a store and rob someone, well, that is all good......
metadave wrote:
So wait... Vaccine stuff once again aside... They're making the creation of false documents illegal. Isn't that already a law for most documents? Government issued or...
So wait... Vaccine stuff once again aside... They're making the creation of false documents illegal. Isn't that already a law for most documents? Government issued or otherwise? Medicare cards, drivers licenses, bus pass, voter information, etc. This isn't a new thing to making false documents illegal.

https://prisonprofessors.com/forgery/
Just leave the troll alone at this point

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1/23/2022 6:48am
https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-bill-criminalize-use-sale-fake-vaccine-cards 100% Hitler Approved!!!! SCOTUS would toss that in a blink. My god, people are stupid. Those states need not wonder why they are failing. But...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-bill-criminalize-use-sale-fak…


100% Hitler Approved!!!! SCOTUS would toss that in a blink. My god, people are stupid. Those states need not wonder why they are failing.


But, in the same state if you pillage a store and rob someone, well, that is all good......
metadave wrote:
So wait... Vaccine stuff once again aside... They're making the creation of false documents illegal. Isn't that already a law for most documents? Government issued or...
So wait... Vaccine stuff once again aside... They're making the creation of false documents illegal. Isn't that already a law for most documents? Government issued or otherwise? Medicare cards, drivers licenses, bus pass, voter information, etc. This isn't a new thing to making false documents illegal.

https://prisonprofessors.com/forgery/
PisgahGnar wrote:
Just leave the troll alone at this point

Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on and the stickers fall off....there's your Hitler approved ID for ya. You may not like it...it however is a fact.

I am glad that the two states I frequent (Fl and NC) allow citizens tobe armed. The ignorant left is begging for a civil war.
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metadave wrote:
So wait... Vaccine stuff once again aside... They're making the creation of false documents illegal. Isn't that already a law for most documents? Government issued or...
So wait... Vaccine stuff once again aside... They're making the creation of false documents illegal. Isn't that already a law for most documents? Government issued or otherwise? Medicare cards, drivers licenses, bus pass, voter information, etc. This isn't a new thing to making false documents illegal.

https://prisonprofessors.com/forgery/
PisgahGnar wrote:
Just leave the troll alone at this point

Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on...
Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on and the stickers fall off....there's your Hitler approved ID for ya. You may not like it...it however is a fact.

I am glad that the two states I frequent (Fl and NC) allow citizens tobe armed. The ignorant left is begging for a civil war.
Just stop. Civil war? Now you are being absolutely stupid. Spend some time and look around. Read your history. Look at the news (not Fox/ Newsmax/ OANN). Real news like the AP. Show me one modern day nation that came out ahead post civil war. I will make it easy for you- there is not one.

You throw around "liberal" like it is a bad thing not realizing that most of the freedoms people enjoy are actually "liberal". The Constitution is a "liberal" document (not a single nation in the world had a representative limited democracy). There is not a state in the UNION that can get by on their own. They depend upon the support and funding from other states. Florida, with its lack of fresh drinking water, elderly population, lack of natural resources, poor level of education, rising sea levels, and lack of arable land will be one of the ones to suffer most. And before you say something like, 'we can get it from ______.' What makes you think that any of the surrounding states would donate or sell Florida any of its resources, without a central system requiring them to? You do not exactly have anything to offer in return. In fact, as of 2014, over 33% (more than $25 billion) of your state operating budget comes from the tax payers of the other states. Good luck plugging that hole. But hey, you and every other state in the UNION has residents with guns. Good for you...

Bottom line is your mindset is the result of the 2 party system pushing you to believe that there is only one way forward when in reality, the "other side" has some great policies as well. You have bought into the idea that 'Conservatives' offer anything other than 'what about-isms' and vilification of others because they themselves have no ideas about what to do. Trumps mentor is the same guy who helped Republican McCarthy launch his "search" for (non existent) Communists in government. Any coincidence that that seems to be the same line again right now? Certainly not. The only difference is this time no one in Congress is willing to step up and say 'enough' from within the Republican party. Why? Because a manufactured fear of the other leads people to blindly follow. People who spew garbage like your 'civil war' is EXACTLY what they want. That is not good for anyone except the politicians. It certainly is not going to do you any good. You say ignorant but I am pretty certain it is not the "left" that is exhibiting that here.
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Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on...
Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on and the stickers fall off....there's your Hitler approved ID for ya. You may not like it...it however is a fact.

I am glad that the two states I frequent (Fl and NC) allow citizens tobe armed. The ignorant left is begging for a civil war.
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1/23/2022 10:12am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2022 11:04am
What would the level of Mortality for a pandemic need to be to change peoples minds like Bizutch or FLFlatLander's? Let's hypothesize that getting the jab prevented a 12 monkeys type apocalypse, would they then be ok with mandates?

What if the scenario was that the French government was not allowing riders to compete from Muslim countries "that harbor terrorists" instead of non-vaccinated. Of course there aren't many pro riders from these countries, but if there were, I bet we would see the people in this thread who are yelling "Government Overreach" suddenly be less vocal.

What if riders couldn't race due to being Drafted into the Military. The Draft in case you don't remember, is where if you were a young person of a certain age you either got potentially killed or maimed for your country or went to jail. Talk about government overreach.....Actually for most people I think would depend on what war you died in.

Lot of grey areas in my opinion.



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The people yelling government overreach wouldn't likely be shouting then, but a whole bunch of other people would. Preventing Muslims from racing is simple discrimination without any grounds. Enforcing vaccinations in a pandemic is at least debatable, it has a positive end game. Preventing people from participation based on race/religion doesn't have a positive end game.

As for mortality rate, I'm guessing you'd still have a ton of vocal people even with a 100 % death rate. 'Just don't catch it, why do we have to vaccinate'.

BTW, I'm REALLY interested in how many antivaxxers (the diehard ones, that don't want to be vaccinated) would turn down a Tetanus or Rabies shot if needed. Either of those would be Grade A darwinism.
https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/7qwtd5/rabies_is_scary/
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Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on...
Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on and the stickers fall off....there's your Hitler approved ID for ya. You may not like it...it however is a fact.

I am glad that the two states I frequent (Fl and NC) allow citizens tobe armed. The ignorant left is begging for a civil war.
FLFuckTard wrote:
Cluster B personality disorders Cluster B personality disorders are a categorization of personality disorders as defined in the DSM-IV and DSM-5. They are characterized by impulsive...
Cluster B personality disorders

Cluster B personality disorders are a categorization of personality disorders as defined in the DSM-IV and DSM-5. They are characterized by impulsive, self-destructive, emotional behavior and sometimes incomprehensible interactions with others. They include antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder.


FLFuckTard
Are you the fat guy in that video? If so, you sound crazy🤪🤪🤪
1/23/2022 6:19pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2022 6:21pm
PisgahGnar wrote:
Just leave the troll alone at this point

Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on...
Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on and the stickers fall off....there's your Hitler approved ID for ya. You may not like it...it however is a fact.

I am glad that the two states I frequent (Fl and NC) allow citizens tobe armed. The ignorant left is begging for a civil war.
derelict wrote:
Just stop. Civil war? Now you are being absolutely stupid. Spend some time and look around. Read your history. Look at the news (not Fox/ Newsmax/...
Just stop. Civil war? Now you are being absolutely stupid. Spend some time and look around. Read your history. Look at the news (not Fox/ Newsmax/ OANN). Real news like the AP. Show me one modern day nation that came out ahead post civil war. I will make it easy for you- there is not one.

You throw around "liberal" like it is a bad thing not realizing that most of the freedoms people enjoy are actually "liberal". The Constitution is a "liberal" document (not a single nation in the world had a representative limited democracy). There is not a state in the UNION that can get by on their own. They depend upon the support and funding from other states. Florida, with its lack of fresh drinking water, elderly population, lack of natural resources, poor level of education, rising sea levels, and lack of arable land will be one of the ones to suffer most. And before you say something like, 'we can get it from ______.' What makes you think that any of the surrounding states would donate or sell Florida any of its resources, without a central system requiring them to? You do not exactly have anything to offer in return. In fact, as of 2014, over 33% (more than $25 billion) of your state operating budget comes from the tax payers of the other states. Good luck plugging that hole. But hey, you and every other state in the UNION has residents with guns. Good for you...

Bottom line is your mindset is the result of the 2 party system pushing you to believe that there is only one way forward when in reality, the "other side" has some great policies as well. You have bought into the idea that 'Conservatives' offer anything other than 'what about-isms' and vilification of others because they themselves have no ideas about what to do. Trumps mentor is the same guy who helped Republican McCarthy launch his "search" for (non existent) Communists in government. Any coincidence that that seems to be the same line again right now? Certainly not. The only difference is this time no one in Congress is willing to step up and say 'enough' from within the Republican party. Why? Because a manufactured fear of the other leads people to blindly follow. People who spew garbage like your 'civil war' is EXACTLY what they want. That is not good for anyone except the politicians. It certainly is not going to do you any good. You say ignorant but I am pretty certain it is not the "left" that is exhibiting that here.
You know of course (derilict) that this November will be a MASSIVE swing to the "right". While that is normal in a mid-term, this one is going to be far further. Take into consideration the economy, world situation (there will be war in Europe in the next 14 days) and the fact that the BREAD WINNERS in the US are just plain sick of apathy.

In our world it is disgusting. Men competing as women. Abortions are 100% A-OK right up till the day of birth...theft is okay, rioting is okay, murderers get cash bond and in NYC illegals may be able to vote (for in theory local elections). We are letting gifted military professionals go due to a ridiculous shot (that is 100% unproven and day to day is even less functional as is proven).

Our people, seriously at a 50/50 ratio are virtue signaling over a freaking ChinaFlu shot - all the while, our Govt will not even admit it is FROM CHINA, and worse, from US funds in a lab that creates weaponized disease! This is simply factual (granted, wont find it on YouTube or Facebook).

The shame is, the liberals used to be "live and let live". That is long past. Look at any college campus and public school system to see pure unadulterated zealots and hate filled bigots. Judging everyone and everything that is not in lock step (and thought) with them and their flawed ideals. Now, oddly, the party who freed the blacks from slavery is the party of "Live and let live". It is stunning how much a current college campus is a reflection of 1930s Germany. The thought police is every Karen.


As for FL, some drawbacks here. The education system is head and shoulders ahead of that in Chicago (my former home town). The healthcare here is far superior in every aspect (but for rural care, that is a national thing however). The drinking water? Hell if I know, all I know is there are a ton of springs and ton of bottled water places making millions of bottles near me. More over, no state income tax and medical malpractice insurance is 30% of that in Illinois. Plus, some super nice MTN bike trails. While FL depends on many other states....in the big scheme of things, at least we are not NY ;-)


Edit - and you are right, we in FL live off of tax dollars from tourists...like AOC who was just here, with no mask :-) Shall we talk Vegas??? Dont hate the player, hate the game.
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I just apologized to my phone for opening this thread on it. Sheesh.
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You know of course (derilict) that this November will be a MASSIVE swing to the "right". While that is normal in a mid-term, this one is...
You know of course (derilict) that this November will be a MASSIVE swing to the "right". While that is normal in a mid-term, this one is going to be far further. Take into consideration the economy, world situation (there will be war in Europe in the next 14 days) and the fact that the BREAD WINNERS in the US are just plain sick of apathy.

In our world it is disgusting. Men competing as women. Abortions are 100% A-OK right up till the day of birth...theft is okay, rioting is okay, murderers get cash bond and in NYC illegals may be able to vote (for in theory local elections). We are letting gifted military professionals go due to a ridiculous shot (that is 100% unproven and day to day is even less functional as is proven).

Our people, seriously at a 50/50 ratio are virtue signaling over a freaking ChinaFlu shot - all the while, our Govt will not even admit it is FROM CHINA, and worse, from US funds in a lab that creates weaponized disease! This is simply factual (granted, wont find it on YouTube or Facebook).

The shame is, the liberals used to be "live and let live". That is long past. Look at any college campus and public school system to see pure unadulterated zealots and hate filled bigots. Judging everyone and everything that is not in lock step (and thought) with them and their flawed ideals. Now, oddly, the party who freed the blacks from slavery is the party of "Live and let live". It is stunning how much a current college campus is a reflection of 1930s Germany. The thought police is every Karen.


As for FL, some drawbacks here. The education system is head and shoulders ahead of that in Chicago (my former home town). The healthcare here is far superior in every aspect (but for rural care, that is a national thing however). The drinking water? Hell if I know, all I know is there are a ton of springs and ton of bottled water places making millions of bottles near me. More over, no state income tax and medical malpractice insurance is 30% of that in Illinois. Plus, some super nice MTN bike trails. While FL depends on many other states....in the big scheme of things, at least we are not NY ;-)


Edit - and you are right, we in FL live off of tax dollars from tourists...like AOC who was just here, with no mask :-) Shall we talk Vegas??? Dont hate the player, hate the game.
Your ideas of what the facts are in your arguments are disturbingly inaccurate.
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1/24/2022 5:02am
Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on...
Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on and the stickers fall off....there's your Hitler approved ID for ya. You may not like it...it however is a fact.

I am glad that the two states I frequent (Fl and NC) allow citizens tobe armed. The ignorant left is begging for a civil war.
derelict wrote:
Just stop. Civil war? Now you are being absolutely stupid. Spend some time and look around. Read your history. Look at the news (not Fox/ Newsmax/...
Just stop. Civil war? Now you are being absolutely stupid. Spend some time and look around. Read your history. Look at the news (not Fox/ Newsmax/ OANN). Real news like the AP. Show me one modern day nation that came out ahead post civil war. I will make it easy for you- there is not one.

You throw around "liberal" like it is a bad thing not realizing that most of the freedoms people enjoy are actually "liberal". The Constitution is a "liberal" document (not a single nation in the world had a representative limited democracy). There is not a state in the UNION that can get by on their own. They depend upon the support and funding from other states. Florida, with its lack of fresh drinking water, elderly population, lack of natural resources, poor level of education, rising sea levels, and lack of arable land will be one of the ones to suffer most. And before you say something like, 'we can get it from ______.' What makes you think that any of the surrounding states would donate or sell Florida any of its resources, without a central system requiring them to? You do not exactly have anything to offer in return. In fact, as of 2014, over 33% (more than $25 billion) of your state operating budget comes from the tax payers of the other states. Good luck plugging that hole. But hey, you and every other state in the UNION has residents with guns. Good for you...

Bottom line is your mindset is the result of the 2 party system pushing you to believe that there is only one way forward when in reality, the "other side" has some great policies as well. You have bought into the idea that 'Conservatives' offer anything other than 'what about-isms' and vilification of others because they themselves have no ideas about what to do. Trumps mentor is the same guy who helped Republican McCarthy launch his "search" for (non existent) Communists in government. Any coincidence that that seems to be the same line again right now? Certainly not. The only difference is this time no one in Congress is willing to step up and say 'enough' from within the Republican party. Why? Because a manufactured fear of the other leads people to blindly follow. People who spew garbage like your 'civil war' is EXACTLY what they want. That is not good for anyone except the politicians. It certainly is not going to do you any good. You say ignorant but I am pretty certain it is not the "left" that is exhibiting that here.
You know of course (derilict) that this November will be a MASSIVE swing to the "right". While that is normal in a mid-term, this one is...
You know of course (derilict) that this November will be a MASSIVE swing to the "right". While that is normal in a mid-term, this one is going to be far further. Take into consideration the economy, world situation (there will be war in Europe in the next 14 days) and the fact that the BREAD WINNERS in the US are just plain sick of apathy.

In our world it is disgusting. Men competing as women. Abortions are 100% A-OK right up till the day of birth...theft is okay, rioting is okay, murderers get cash bond and in NYC illegals may be able to vote (for in theory local elections). We are letting gifted military professionals go due to a ridiculous shot (that is 100% unproven and day to day is even less functional as is proven).

Our people, seriously at a 50/50 ratio are virtue signaling over a freaking ChinaFlu shot - all the while, our Govt will not even admit it is FROM CHINA, and worse, from US funds in a lab that creates weaponized disease! This is simply factual (granted, wont find it on YouTube or Facebook).

The shame is, the liberals used to be "live and let live". That is long past. Look at any college campus and public school system to see pure unadulterated zealots and hate filled bigots. Judging everyone and everything that is not in lock step (and thought) with them and their flawed ideals. Now, oddly, the party who freed the blacks from slavery is the party of "Live and let live". It is stunning how much a current college campus is a reflection of 1930s Germany. The thought police is every Karen.


As for FL, some drawbacks here. The education system is head and shoulders ahead of that in Chicago (my former home town). The healthcare here is far superior in every aspect (but for rural care, that is a national thing however). The drinking water? Hell if I know, all I know is there are a ton of springs and ton of bottled water places making millions of bottles near me. More over, no state income tax and medical malpractice insurance is 30% of that in Illinois. Plus, some super nice MTN bike trails. While FL depends on many other states....in the big scheme of things, at least we are not NY ;-)


Edit - and you are right, we in FL live off of tax dollars from tourists...like AOC who was just here, with no mask :-) Shall we talk Vegas??? Dont hate the player, hate the game.
This will be my last response because debating Tucker Carlson is not what I had ever planned to do on a mountain bike forum. I started typing out a point by point response, each highlighting your opinions masquerading as "facts" (no, illegal immigrants cannot vote in LOCAL elections in NYC- not New York state). but I will not. It would only be seen as "thought policing" by you. Pointing out that a massive part of your scree is ideological, not factual or realistic, would serve no purpose.

Just remember to come up for air every now and again for the YouTube and Facebook rabbit holes you seem to regularly fall down.
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1/24/2022 5:39am
Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on...
Pisgah....the fact is, our lowest paid, least qualified, least educated staff sign the vaccine cards. That is indisputable. PLUS, the lower lines are easily written on and the stickers fall off....there's your Hitler approved ID for ya. You may not like it...it however is a fact.

I am glad that the two states I frequent (Fl and NC) allow citizens tobe armed. The ignorant left is begging for a civil war.
derelict wrote:
Just stop. Civil war? Now you are being absolutely stupid. Spend some time and look around. Read your history. Look at the news (not Fox/ Newsmax/...
Just stop. Civil war? Now you are being absolutely stupid. Spend some time and look around. Read your history. Look at the news (not Fox/ Newsmax/ OANN). Real news like the AP. Show me one modern day nation that came out ahead post civil war. I will make it easy for you- there is not one.

You throw around "liberal" like it is a bad thing not realizing that most of the freedoms people enjoy are actually "liberal". The Constitution is a "liberal" document (not a single nation in the world had a representative limited democracy). There is not a state in the UNION that can get by on their own. They depend upon the support and funding from other states. Florida, with its lack of fresh drinking water, elderly population, lack of natural resources, poor level of education, rising sea levels, and lack of arable land will be one of the ones to suffer most. And before you say something like, 'we can get it from ______.' What makes you think that any of the surrounding states would donate or sell Florida any of its resources, without a central system requiring them to? You do not exactly have anything to offer in return. In fact, as of 2014, over 33% (more than $25 billion) of your state operating budget comes from the tax payers of the other states. Good luck plugging that hole. But hey, you and every other state in the UNION has residents with guns. Good for you...

Bottom line is your mindset is the result of the 2 party system pushing you to believe that there is only one way forward when in reality, the "other side" has some great policies as well. You have bought into the idea that 'Conservatives' offer anything other than 'what about-isms' and vilification of others because they themselves have no ideas about what to do. Trumps mentor is the same guy who helped Republican McCarthy launch his "search" for (non existent) Communists in government. Any coincidence that that seems to be the same line again right now? Certainly not. The only difference is this time no one in Congress is willing to step up and say 'enough' from within the Republican party. Why? Because a manufactured fear of the other leads people to blindly follow. People who spew garbage like your 'civil war' is EXACTLY what they want. That is not good for anyone except the politicians. It certainly is not going to do you any good. You say ignorant but I am pretty certain it is not the "left" that is exhibiting that here.
You know of course (derilict) that this November will be a MASSIVE swing to the "right". While that is normal in a mid-term, this one is...
You know of course (derilict) that this November will be a MASSIVE swing to the "right". While that is normal in a mid-term, this one is going to be far further. Take into consideration the economy, world situation (there will be war in Europe in the next 14 days) and the fact that the BREAD WINNERS in the US are just plain sick of apathy.

In our world it is disgusting. Men competing as women. Abortions are 100% A-OK right up till the day of birth...theft is okay, rioting is okay, murderers get cash bond and in NYC illegals may be able to vote (for in theory local elections). We are letting gifted military professionals go due to a ridiculous shot (that is 100% unproven and day to day is even less functional as is proven).

Our people, seriously at a 50/50 ratio are virtue signaling over a freaking ChinaFlu shot - all the while, our Govt will not even admit it is FROM CHINA, and worse, from US funds in a lab that creates weaponized disease! This is simply factual (granted, wont find it on YouTube or Facebook).

The shame is, the liberals used to be "live and let live". That is long past. Look at any college campus and public school system to see pure unadulterated zealots and hate filled bigots. Judging everyone and everything that is not in lock step (and thought) with them and their flawed ideals. Now, oddly, the party who freed the blacks from slavery is the party of "Live and let live". It is stunning how much a current college campus is a reflection of 1930s Germany. The thought police is every Karen.


As for FL, some drawbacks here. The education system is head and shoulders ahead of that in Chicago (my former home town). The healthcare here is far superior in every aspect (but for rural care, that is a national thing however). The drinking water? Hell if I know, all I know is there are a ton of springs and ton of bottled water places making millions of bottles near me. More over, no state income tax and medical malpractice insurance is 30% of that in Illinois. Plus, some super nice MTN bike trails. While FL depends on many other states....in the big scheme of things, at least we are not NY ;-)


Edit - and you are right, we in FL live off of tax dollars from tourists...like AOC who was just here, with no mask :-) Shall we talk Vegas??? Dont hate the player, hate the game.
Off topic: Americans are weird. Whenever this topic comes up it's always some American that regurgitates these talking points. I know that generalization hits a lot of good folk out there but, wow - you guys have a serious problem on your hands. Flatlander over here isn't even a rare exception. He's just one of the few that accidentally found himself outside the imaginary world he and his fellow bubble dwellers live in.

On topic: France is outside of the imaginary world the new breed of American conservatives have created. More power to them. Push bike athletes should not be exceptions to these kinds of issues. If anything, they should be examples.

Off topic again: Flatlander, don't go to France. People there make AOC look like a conservative. JK, you probably really should travel - sounds like you need some fresh perspective. Come to a third world hospital in the middle of Covid wave, it's lovely. Smile
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1/24/2022 9:03am
So, there will be a war breaking out on February 7th. I was thinking about taking a day off (we have a bank holiday on 8th, so it would be a LOOOOOOOONG weekend). Seems only reasonable to not go to work considering there's an imminent war breakout.
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1/24/2022 9:08am
Julio - see, there ya go being all rational about things....Just when you think it is bad....we can always bring up Africa.


So this AM a PT was was + for Omi was told on Friday "no drinking" - as he has a history of alcohol abuse. Shows up today, dude drank NOTHING, not water, not anything since Friday. He left our facility in an ambulance to the ED....not sure if I feel bad for this dude or not....this is what society has become (roll eyes)

Be safe out there my friends. Oh, and drink plenty of fluids!
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1/24/2022 9:17am
Primoz wrote:
So, there will be a war breaking out on February 7th. I was thinking about taking a day off (we have a bank holiday on 8th...
So, there will be a war breaking out on February 7th. I was thinking about taking a day off (we have a bank holiday on 8th, so it would be a LOOOOOOOONG weekend). Seems only reasonable to not go to work considering there's an imminent war breakout.
Unfortunately, there will (unless something very odd happens). I work with GE Healthcare every day. Some of their best support comes from Ukraine. The men are not at work as they are preparing for what seems to be inevitable. I spoke this morning to a woman (after a very long hold time) that said that they are all living in stark terror (I would not be at work).

While "Team USA World Police" needs to stop. We also need to back our allies.
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1/24/2022 9:20am
The Australian Federal Government essentially overruled their own sports governing body -- Tennis Australia (who initially approved Djokovic's participation), on who can compete in one of the biggest sports events held in its borders. The IOC usually frowns upon (and, in some cases, even sanctions) governments meddling into sports organizations or sports governing bodies. In this case, they (and the ATP) will look the other way.

This sets a precedent that I am sure most countries with major international sports events will follow. In the case of the UCI, it's been pretty clear that the policies of the country where the cycling event will be held will have to be complied to unequivocally. A visible example of this is that back-/spine-protection in certain countries are mandated on downhill/enduro races (i.e. France) while not required in others (i.e. USA).

It is very likely that any UCI World Cup event held in the EU will mandate vaccination for participants: this includes, athletes, support staff, officials, and attending audiences.

Whether or not the vaccine is effective is really beside the point. If you are an athlete and you want to compete overseas, you will need to be fully vaccinated. If your political affiliations or belief in the anti-vaccine movement is much stronger than your desire to compete, then you will need to seriously consider a career change.

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1/24/2022 10:44am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2022 10:44am
Primoz wrote:
So, there will be a war breaking out on February 7th. I was thinking about taking a day off (we have a bank holiday on 8th...
So, there will be a war breaking out on February 7th. I was thinking about taking a day off (we have a bank holiday on 8th, so it would be a LOOOOOOOONG weekend). Seems only reasonable to not go to work considering there's an imminent war breakout.
Unfortunately, there will (unless something very odd happens). I work with GE Healthcare every day. Some of their best support comes from Ukraine. The men are...
Unfortunately, there will (unless something very odd happens). I work with GE Healthcare every day. Some of their best support comes from Ukraine. The men are not at work as they are preparing for what seems to be inevitable. I spoke this morning to a woman (after a very long hold time) that said that they are all living in stark terror (I would not be at work).

While "Team USA World Police" needs to stop. We also need to back our allies.
I was planning to leave you alone but this is a complete lie, you did not speak to anyone in Ukraine. I work with Ukrainians daily and their attitude is one of defiance, if Russia is going to come just let them do it and let them see the shit storm they are in for. My professional staff and their families are ready to drop everything and join the military. Meanwhile, there is literally no panic or fear, everything in Kyiv is completely normal right now other than meetings about preparations for what may happen.

How the hell did we get here in this thread. Good lord we need a block feature.
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1/24/2022 10:45am
Verbl Kint wrote:
The Australian Federal Government essentially overruled their own sports governing body -- Tennis Australia (who initially approved Djokovic's participation), on who can compete in one of...
The Australian Federal Government essentially overruled their own sports governing body -- Tennis Australia (who initially approved Djokovic's participation), on who can compete in one of the biggest sports events held in its borders. The IOC usually frowns upon (and, in some cases, even sanctions) governments meddling into sports organizations or sports governing bodies. In this case, they (and the ATP) will look the other way.

This sets a precedent that I am sure most countries with major international sports events will follow. In the case of the UCI, it's been pretty clear that the policies of the country where the cycling event will be held will have to be complied to unequivocally. A visible example of this is that back-/spine-protection in certain countries are mandated on downhill/enduro races (i.e. France) while not required in others (i.e. USA).

It is very likely that any UCI World Cup event held in the EU will mandate vaccination for participants: this includes, athletes, support staff, officials, and attending audiences.

Whether or not the vaccine is effective is really beside the point. If you are an athlete and you want to compete overseas, you will need to be fully vaccinated. If your political affiliations or belief in the anti-vaccine movement is much stronger than your desire to compete, then you will need to seriously consider a career change.

" If you are an athlete and you want to compete overseas, you will need to be fully vaccinated. If your political affiliations or belief in the anti-vaccine movement is much stronger than your desire to compete, then you will need to seriously consider a career change".

Sure, that for that maybe 0.0000000001% of the population is affected. But - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7inaTiDKaU


I can not wait for all the lawyer advertisements in about ten years or so...."did you take X vaccine during the Covid Scare.....YOU CAN COLLECT DAMAGES!!!" - this will make the Vioxx cases look like patty cake.

Note: Do not take Vioxx with a quart of whisky (or Celebrex for that matter).


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1/24/2022 10:54am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2022 10:55am
Primoz wrote:
So, there will be a war breaking out on February 7th. I was thinking about taking a day off (we have a bank holiday on 8th...
So, there will be a war breaking out on February 7th. I was thinking about taking a day off (we have a bank holiday on 8th, so it would be a LOOOOOOOONG weekend). Seems only reasonable to not go to work considering there's an imminent war breakout.
Unfortunately, there will (unless something very odd happens). I work with GE Healthcare every day. Some of their best support comes from Ukraine. The men are...
Unfortunately, there will (unless something very odd happens). I work with GE Healthcare every day. Some of their best support comes from Ukraine. The men are not at work as they are preparing for what seems to be inevitable. I spoke this morning to a woman (after a very long hold time) that said that they are all living in stark terror (I would not be at work).

While "Team USA World Police" needs to stop. We also need to back our allies.
PisgahGnar wrote:
I was planning to leave you alone but this is a complete lie, you did not speak to anyone in Ukraine. I work with Ukrainians daily...
I was planning to leave you alone but this is a complete lie, you did not speak to anyone in Ukraine. I work with Ukrainians daily and their attitude is one of defiance, if Russia is going to come just let them do it and let them see the shit storm they are in for. My professional staff and their families are ready to drop everything and join the military. Meanwhile, there is literally no panic or fear, everything in Kyiv is completely normal right now other than meetings about preparations for what may happen.

How the hell did we get here in this thread. Good lord we need a block feature.
Pisgah - call 800-375-5325 and ask for the Ukraine team. I bet they answer, you wont have to ask. Enterprise support is based out of Ukraine, some is in AZ - but, the folks who know what is up are in Ukraine.
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