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AndehM 9/1/2021 8:24am
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melonhead1145 wrote:
Why is the shaft hidden?
Just looks like the bottom out bumper is slid forward.
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derelict 9/1/2021 8:38am
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melonhead1145 wrote:
Why is the shaft hidden?
That is the jounce bumper. The foam is actually engineered to offer a certain spring rate. If it is riding that high, I would guess that it might have been an integral part of the suspension tuning.
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9/1/2021 9:04am
It's clearly an exhaust for a mini motor. It's a 2 stroke gas-powered servo for a remote lockout. You just kick start the motor on the other side and it locks the shock. It usually only takes 2 or 3 stokes to start. Gas-powered servos are more reliable than electronics for world cup racing.
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Salespunk 9/1/2021 9:09am
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It is some sort of weatherproof electrical connection. A lot of stuff going on with this shock besides just the plug.
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Primoz 9/1/2021 10:40am
9/1/2021 10:40am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2021 10:47am
It is yeah, I looked at it on my phone and didn't see the screws. This is not an afterthought.

On the shaft it looks like the plastic sleeve protecting the body from the spring buckling is pulled down to the foam bumper. Maybe there's a 'Live valve' logo on the shaft? Tongue

EDIT: BTW, not completely sure if it's a CNC machined bridge or a forged part with the machining toolmarks still left in the forging die. Leaning towards CNC as the production bridge is much smoother. Plus this is thrown around completely. It looks like it has two barrels (two valve assemblies), but they are flipped around by 90° compared to a standard DHX2 - the lower body to the left on the factory (looking at it like this: https://www.ridefox.com/img/family/bike/my21-dhx2/dhx2-factory-standard…), while it's to the right on this one.


We need a NDS pic!
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TimBud 9/1/2021 10:48am
9/1/2021 10:48am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2021 10:52am
It does look very like a 'Live Valve' plug, but they'll have worked wonders if they've managed to pack all the extra stuff in what looks like a standard shock.
Pic for comparison:

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krabo83 9/1/2021 11:42am
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GMBN has a detailed preview of the new rallon, storage in frame and hidden tool in one of the pivots.
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rusty 9/1/2021 11:53am
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sspomer wrote:
check out this FOX DHX2 from lenzerheide pits. extra dingus that shoots out radio waves or 5g or something? Maybe it shoots coolant out to cool...
check out this FOX DHX2 from lenzerheide pits. extra dingus that shoots out radio waves or 5g or something? Maybe it shoots coolant out to cool the shock? Silly


Di2 port 🤪
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Ceecee 9/1/2021 11:59am
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Sol.Cob 9/1/2021 1:09pm
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A gap to have a "chainless mode"?


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nskerb 9/1/2021 1:14pm
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Sol.Cob wrote:
A gap to have a "chainless mode"? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/09/01/11395/s1200_ooo.jpg[/img]
A gap to have a "chainless mode"?


I may be wrong, but this would only be to prevent pedal kickback. I guess still having a chain and tensioned derailleur would work against the suspension. Not any different than the O-Chain but not the same as riding without a chain at all
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Sol.Cob 9/1/2021 1:18pm
9/1/2021 1:18pm
nskerb wrote:
I may be wrong, but this would only be to prevent pedal kickback. I guess still having a chain and tensioned derailleur would work against the...
I may be wrong, but this would only be to prevent pedal kickback. I guess still having a chain and tensioned derailleur would work against the suspension. Not any different than the O-Chain but not the same as riding without a chain at all
Ye I guess so, would assume it is somewhat more free than O-chain since there isn't a max limit of 12 degrees though?
Martin_Prophet 9/1/2021 1:22pm
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The "neutral Gear" for the Shimano Boys who can't use the O'Chain system
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nskerb 9/1/2021 1:25pm
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Sol.Cob wrote:
Ye I guess so, would assume it is somewhat more free than O-chain since there isn't a max limit of 12 degrees though?
I'm honestly not sure. I haven't tried any of that but the math seems to say the whole O-Chain or dummy gear is pointless past a certain speed based off of hub engagement. I believe I read somewhere that the speed where you feel pedal kickback is fairly low for a standard hub. Like quite a bit slower than a normal downhill pace. I think the O-Chain thing probably passes the parking lot feeling test (very low speeds) and people get sold on it, but then again it has become a pretty common sight on top level DH bikes. So who the hell knows.
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jonkranked 9/1/2021 1:33pm
9/1/2021 1:33pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2021 1:36pm
might see an updated v10 this weekend? in the track walk video at the very end our new world champ states "got a new bike coming, Dave and the guys at Santa Cruz put a hell of a design together." could just be a new paint job, but the current gen V10.7 is on year 4, same as the prior rev (6), before that the updates were on shorter intervals.
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NotMeAtAll 9/1/2021 1:41pm
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TimBud wrote:
It does look very like a 'Live Valve' plug, but they'll have worked wonders if they've managed to pack all the extra stuff in what looks...
It does look very like a 'Live Valve' plug, but they'll have worked wonders if they've managed to pack all the extra stuff in what looks like a standard shock.
Pic for comparison:

If it works like the Truck live valve, it would be a game changer for downhill.
Imagine having the plushiest bike ever on rought rock garden, but high speed compression trough the roof on big jumps. 1,6 seconds on the air and BAM, the compression is ON, rebound too for 0.5s after the impact and then normal again.
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Zero Cool 9/1/2021 2:25pm
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Can’t post the picture from Pinkbike (as I’m a Luddite with no time), but it looks like maybe the Scott team have added weights to their Gambler in the hollow crank axles. Or I’m totally off the mark and it’s just stuffed with moto foam
noideamtber 9/1/2021 2:36pm
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Zero Cool wrote:
Can’t post the picture from Pinkbike (as I’m a Luddite with no time), but it looks like maybe the Scott team have added weights to their...
Can’t post the picture from Pinkbike (as I’m a Luddite with no time), but it looks like maybe the Scott team have added weights to their Gambler in the hollow crank axles. Or I’m totally off the mark and it’s just stuffed with moto foam
That would be about the only designing scott themselves have done in years, dont they just buy better stuff from anther company(its a joke but its also true)
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Taken from Commencal's website, even though they do have 2021 models in stock. But yeah, new Commencals on October 5th.
Marshall Willanholly 9/1/2021 3:22pm
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noideamtber wrote:
That would be about the only designing scott themselves have done in years, dont they just buy better stuff from anther company(its a joke but its...
That would be about the only designing scott themselves have done in years, dont they just buy better stuff from anther company(its a joke but its also true)
User name checks out.
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noideamtber 9/1/2021 3:25pm
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noideamtber wrote:
That would be about the only designing scott themselves have done in years, dont they just buy better stuff from anther company(its a joke but its...
That would be about the only designing scott themselves have done in years, dont they just buy better stuff from anther company(its a joke but its also true)
Marshall Willanholly wrote:
User name checks out.
if you guys dont know, the Latest iterations of all scott bikes were bought barring the gambler as the old design was horse poo.
suppose you all love the twinloc on your bikes too.
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Noeserd 9/1/2021 3:31pm
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jonkranked wrote:
might see an updated v10 this weekend? in the track walk video at the very end our new world champ states "got a new bike coming...
might see an updated v10 this weekend? in the track walk video at the very end our new world champ states "got a new bike coming, Dave and the guys at Santa Cruz put a hell of a design together." could just be a new paint job, but the current gen V10.7 is on year 4, same as the prior rev (6), before that the updates were on shorter intervals.
It was needed for a loong time, i mean just look at gregs bike. All sorts of custom bits to fit him
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TSchafer 9/1/2021 4:19pm
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Martin_Prophet wrote:
The "neutral Gear" for the Shimano Boys who can't use the O'Chain system
This is what Neko said Shimano riders were doing at Val Di Sole in the newest Downtime Podcast. Sounds super sketchy to me!
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boozed 9/1/2021 5:42pm
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noideamtber wrote:
if you guys dont know, the Latest iterations of all scott bikes were bought barring the gambler as the old design was horse poo. suppose you...
if you guys dont know, the Latest iterations of all scott bikes were bought barring the gambler as the old design was horse poo.
suppose you all love the twinloc on your bikes too.
Bought from whom?
baronKanon 9/1/2021 9:58pm
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boozed wrote:
Bought from whom?
Scott bought Bold Cycles last year and used their design principle for the new Spark.
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Primoz 9/1/2021 10:09pm
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Sol.Cob wrote:
A gap to have a "chainless mode"? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/09/01/11395/s1200_ooo.jpg[/img]
A gap to have a "chainless mode"?


nskerb wrote:
I may be wrong, but this would only be to prevent pedal kickback. I guess still having a chain and tensioned derailleur would work against the...
I may be wrong, but this would only be to prevent pedal kickback. I guess still having a chain and tensioned derailleur would work against the suspension. Not any different than the O-Chain but not the same as riding without a chain at all
The amount of resistance the derailleur gives to the suspension is order's of magnitude lower than what the shock does...
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watchcwgo 9/1/2021 10:32pm
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Gee has used this neutral gear setup before, as late as 2019 les gets
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krabo83 9/1/2021 11:28pm
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jonkranked wrote:
might see an updated v10 this weekend? in the track walk video at the very end our new world champ states "got a new bike coming...
might see an updated v10 this weekend? in the track walk video at the very end our new world champ states "got a new bike coming, Dave and the guys at Santa Cruz put a hell of a design together." could just be a new paint job, but the current gen V10.7 is on year 4, same as the prior rev (6), before that the updates were on shorter intervals.
looks like just new paint jobs
bike_futurist 9/2/2021 1:18am
9/2/2021 1:18am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2021 1:37am
nskerb wrote:
I'm honestly not sure. I haven't tried any of that but the math seems to say the whole O-Chain or dummy gear is pointless past a...
I'm honestly not sure. I haven't tried any of that but the math seems to say the whole O-Chain or dummy gear is pointless past a certain speed based off of hub engagement. I believe I read somewhere that the speed where you feel pedal kickback is fairly low for a standard hub. Like quite a bit slower than a normal downhill pace. I think the O-Chain thing probably passes the parking lot feeling test (very low speeds) and people get sold on it, but then again it has become a pretty common sight on top level DH bikes. So who the hell knows.
I think it has been proved quite convincingly that pedal kickback via the freehub engagement does not happen. There's a lot of videos and articles on that.

I've been under the impression that O-chain negates the tugs from the movement of the chain itself (it does weight something) puts through the pedals.
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boozed 9/2/2021 1:31am
9/2/2021 1:31am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2021 1:34am
boozed wrote:
Bought from whom?
baronKanon wrote:
Scott bought Bold Cycles last year and used their design principle for the new Spark.
To be pedantic that occurred in 2019, however noideamtber's claim was that the latest iterations of all Scott bikes* were bought so I don't think they had Bold in mind.

* And does this mean all dual suspension MTBs, all MTBs or all two-wheeled transportation devices? Who knows! Either way I'm genuinely interested if it's true.
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