2021 Mountain Bike Team Rumors

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jefedelosjefes 10/16/2020 3:53pm
10/16/2020 3:53pm
I hear Hart is being hired onto Gwin's team as they are lacking a top 10 capable rider.
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metadave 10/16/2020 4:42pm
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jefedelosjefes wrote:
I hear Hart is being hired onto Gwin's team as they are lacking a top 10 capable rider.
Did it just get hot in here? Because it feel hot.
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Sesame Seed 10/16/2020 5:07pm
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bermslapper69 wrote:
Square brand could also be cube
Atherton Bikes.
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ORTOGONAL555 10/17/2020 2:30am
10/17/2020 2:30am
Rob Warner might have just talked BS for the sake of rumors, I think Hart would want to ride some proven equipment (and probably stay with fox) and Cube nor Polygon are at the moment. We'll se what future brings.
As far as Syndicate is concerned, I don't see Vergier leaving, he IS the top dog there at the moment. Luca Shaw has not been delivering as expected, but Maribor 1 proved he still has the speed. Wilson probably will get a pay raise and stay with Trek, he seems a good fit there, why change? (of course a big offer might make him think of leaving, but who could afford it?)
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Atkisa 10/17/2020 3:53am
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JamesR_2026 wrote:
Wyn is all over the Danny Hart news in the Maribor track walk video. Interviews with Will Longden and Danny about it.
Wyn is all over the Danny Hart news in the Maribor track walk video. Interviews with Will Longden and Danny about it.
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That was amazing. Danny did not seem stoked and Will was just matter of fact about it. NOT AN AMICABLE SPLIT.
Nice work by Wyn.
I remember on a podcast with Sam Dale a while ago he alluded to an incident when he was on Madison Saracen where he was told over a team dinner that he needed to remember that the company boss owned him. Made it sound like it was Will Longden that said it. He gave it as one of his reasons for stepping away from racing.

Some bad vibes for a while in that team....
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SlalomSlayer 10/17/2020 4:08am
10/17/2020 4:08am
Is Brendog a Team, freestyle or ambassador rider for Scott?

What's Kona's plans for the 2021?

- ΗΛΕΚΤΡΟΝ - 10/17/2020 5:57am
10/17/2020 5:57am Edited Date/Time 10/26/2020 10:35pm
SlalomSlayer wrote:
Is Brendog a Team, freestyle or ambassador rider for Scott?

What's Kona's plans for the 2021?

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stoic_machine 10/17/2020 7:26am
10/17/2020 7:26am
SlalomSlayer wrote:
Is Brendog a Team, freestyle or ambassador rider for Scott?

What's Kona's plans for the 2021?

Kona will come to play in 2021 with same team setup as they would have had for 2020.
They seem pretty content with the Gravity team members they currently have.
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iceman2058 10/17/2020 9:42am
10/17/2020 9:42am
Alex Fayolle retiring:

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Stokermtb7 10/17/2020 10:38am
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Frix Frix out for the rest of the season w/ a broken collarbone? Screengrab from 7:14, crash at 6:50 in today's RAW: https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/BIG-GAP-BIG-CASES-World-Cup-DH-MTB-Vital-RAW-MARIBOR-Race-2,38338/sspomer,2 [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/10/17/9976/s1200_Screen_Shot_2020_10_17_at_8.13.12_AM.jpg[/img]
Frix Frix out for the rest of the season w/ a broken collarbone?

Screengrab from 7:14, crash at 6:50 in today's RAW: https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/BIG-GAP-BIG-CASES-World-Cup-DH…


i think it maybe a wrist injury they put a wrap and spint around his arm, an super gnarly looking wrist bend at 6:49
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Primoz 10/17/2020 11:00am
10/17/2020 11:00am
Why?
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clem-mk 10/17/2020 12:35pm
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dolface wrote:
Frix Frix out for the rest of the season w/ a broken collarbone? Screengrab from 7:14, crash at 6:50 in today's RAW: https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/BIG-GAP-BIG-CASES-World-Cup-DH-MTB-Vital-RAW-MARIBOR-Race-2,38338/sspomer,2 [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/10/17/9976/s1200_Screen_Shot_2020_10_17_at_8.13.12_AM.jpg[/img]
Frix Frix out for the rest of the season w/ a broken collarbone?

Screengrab from 7:14, crash at 6:50 in today's RAW: https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/BIG-GAP-BIG-CASES-World-Cup-DH…


Stokermtb7 wrote:
i think it maybe a wrist injury they put a wrap and spint around his arm, an super gnarly looking wrist bend at 6:49
Looks like a sort of pack (ice) on his elbow... But for sure casing hard hurt a lot the wrists!
human powered suicide machine 10/18/2020 1:01am
10/18/2020 1:01am
Karabuka wrote:
Well the bikes used to be more like that (remember khs going 29" on dh bike in ?2012, Barels moondrakers with HTA below 60° years ago...
Well the bikes used to be more like that (remember khs going 29" on dh bike in ?2012, Barels moondrakers with HTA below 60° years ago, legendary honda g-cross, Vouillozes bikes etc.), many pros would ride custom bikes (to some extent) but now the difference with production bikes is almost nonexisting, especially with carbon molds and build in adjustability... The persionalization can now be found more in the suspension than geometries, these seem pretty dialed!

Nevertheless I'm really curious if there will be some development in the direction of Grim donut because if experienced world class rider said there is obvious potential in it would somebody consider it, or has downhill market simply shrunk so much that it just doesnt make sense to put so much effort into it? Anyway I still hope that a weirdo like Levy would change the industry with his joke :D
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That's hust the key, if it's shrunk to a point where it doesn't make sense to put out a bike on the market (a-la Yeti), but...
That's hust the key, if it's shrunk to a point where it doesn't make sense to put out a bike on the market (a-la Yeti), but if it still has marketing potential, why not make a spaceship of a bike? A different bike for every rider on the team? Etc.?

Maybe recoup the development costs with a run of 20 'one-off' bikes, custom made for the buyer who can spec the geometry the way he pleases. Make a marketing thing out of it.

Mercedes, through sponsorships and prize money, paid 30 million for the F1 team in total in 2019. The supposed marketing effect it had having a dominanting team is supposedly in billions.
Point? You don't have to sell the race vehicles for the team/discipline to be a marketing success.
In 2019, Mercedes Fi team budget was 442 Million USD (and they still made money).

BTW, does anybody have intel on DH team budget? How much of this budget is dedicated to the riders? etc..
I think it would help to move the discussion for riders and fans to have better economical data.
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Primoz 10/18/2020 1:05am
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Help to move? To another thread? Don't really understand that part.

As for the budget, including rider salaries, I'd say it should be around a million, though it depends on the team size quite a lot then. Gwin's famous 1 million yearly salary is comprised of multiple sponsors if I'm not mistaken, so not all of it would go towards the budget?
ufka_pen15 10/18/2020 4:10am
10/18/2020 4:10am
Rob Warner just said during the livestream of the womens race that vero widmann signed for Madison Saracen for 2021!
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Sesame Seed 10/18/2020 5:36am
10/18/2020 5:36am Edited Date/Time 10/18/2020 5:42am
Primoz wrote:
Help to move? To another thread? Don't really understand that part. As for the budget, including rider salaries, I'd say it should be around a million...
Help to move? To another thread? Don't really understand that part.

As for the budget, including rider salaries, I'd say it should be around a million, though it depends on the team size quite a lot then. Gwin's famous 1 million yearly salary is comprised of multiple sponsors if I'm not mistaken, so not all of it would go towards the budget?
What's to understand? Other than the coveting of other people's money. Incredible how quickly Mountain Bike goes to some rider's heads and becomes a distorted mess.
Before Vital generates a thread about disproportionate and unjust budgets, salaries - give 'click' to 3+ pages replying about Angel Suarez entering a section of track where two boundaries line the track.
Then let's finally enjoy clownish replies devoted to all things Formula One, yet somehow, nothing DH Mountain Bike. It trickles down after all after another RedBull Danny MacAskill video. ...darn - that's the 'surprise ending' reveal to the thread!



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Primoz 10/18/2020 5:40am
10/18/2020 5:40am
"I think it would help to move the discussion for riders and fans to have better economical data."

This is the part I don't understand. Moving what to where? The discussion into the public eye? Into another thread on the forum, so we don't mess with offtopicness in the team rumors thread (I'm VERY guilty of this, in all threads), etc.

So I literally don't understand what was meant with the writing regarding the 'moving' part, it has nothing to do with the money aspect of the sport.
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Atkisa 10/18/2020 1:44pm
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Primoz wrote:
Help to move? To another thread? Don't really understand that part. As for the budget, including rider salaries, I'd say it should be around a million...
Help to move? To another thread? Don't really understand that part.

As for the budget, including rider salaries, I'd say it should be around a million, though it depends on the team size quite a lot then. Gwin's famous 1 million yearly salary is comprised of multiple sponsors if I'm not mistaken, so not all of it would go towards the budget?
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What's to understand? Other than the coveting of other people's money. Incredible how quickly Mountain Bike goes to some rider's heads and becomes a distorted mess...
What's to understand? Other than the coveting of other people's money. Incredible how quickly Mountain Bike goes to some rider's heads and becomes a distorted mess.
Before Vital generates a thread about disproportionate and unjust budgets, salaries - give 'click' to 3+ pages replying about Angel Suarez entering a section of track where two boundaries line the track.
Then let's finally enjoy clownish replies devoted to all things Formula One, yet somehow, nothing DH Mountain Bike. It trickles down after all after another RedBull Danny MacAskill video. ...darn - that's the 'surprise ending' reveal to the thread!



Wealth doesn't trickle down it cascades upwards
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Primoz 10/18/2020 1:50pm
10/18/2020 1:50pm Edited Date/Time 10/18/2020 1:52pm
Never mind...
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scarface 10/19/2020 1:08am
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Sesame Seed wrote:
What's to understand? Other than the coveting of other people's money. Incredible how quickly Mountain Bike goes to some rider's heads and becomes a distorted mess...
What's to understand? Other than the coveting of other people's money. Incredible how quickly Mountain Bike goes to some rider's heads and becomes a distorted mess.
Before Vital generates a thread about disproportionate and unjust budgets, salaries - give 'click' to 3+ pages replying about Angel Suarez entering a section of track where two boundaries line the track.
Then let's finally enjoy clownish replies devoted to all things Formula One, yet somehow, nothing DH Mountain Bike. It trickles down after all after another RedBull Danny MacAskill video. ...darn - that's the 'surprise ending' reveal to the thread!



plot twist: those werent sesame seeds actually...
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stoic_machine 10/19/2020 6:01am
10/19/2020 6:01am
Hey kids. Back to rediculous team Rumours now okay?
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Eoin 10/19/2020 7:31am
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Back to the Alex Fayolle announcement:

Didn't he announce this at the start of the season? It made for biggish news on the french forums as it was a really emotional announcement, where he talked about having "stolen" his win in Lourdes. Effectively implying that winning a WC round was the worst thing to happen in his career...
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bicycle019 10/19/2020 11:02am
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Primoz wrote:
Urlpls. Seriously. There was talk of 50 enduro bikes for every DH bikes sold from 'one of the big brands in the industry' quite a while...
Urlpls. Seriously. There was talk of 50 enduro bikes for every DH bikes sold from 'one of the big brands in the industry' quite a while ago, but 500?? Worldwide?! That's insane, seriously. I mean I see no point in owning a DH bike (when my trail/enduro/whatever-that-pedals can do bikeparks), but I didn't think it's THAT bad.
I know that another brand with an on-going strong multi-year world cup presence sell under 800 of their DH bikes a year globally. It's not a big category of business. They spend the $$ on the program as they believe it helps their brand and keeps the enduro and other bikes moving. F1 is a good analogy - custom high dollar program that creates a halo around the more commercial products. Source - brand COO.

I would guess that most brands sell more DH bikes as rental fleet filler than to individual customers.
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