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Angu58 4/1/2020 5:43pm
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Away from the tech side of things, the 38 is 100% in existence, and has to be production ready. My name is down for one at my local bike shop. They're supposed to be in mid may, a little bit after the 2021 X2 like on the Commencal posted recently. My bike shop does know about the 38, but has no idea about an updated 36. Not sure the travel numbers available to the public however for the 38.
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kwapik 4/1/2020 5:56pm
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I'm thinking the 38 will probably be 160mm and above. Maybe the new 36 will only go to 150mm/160mm. Also - curious on the weight of the 38.

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Angu58 4/1/2020 6:45pm
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My guess as well. 160-180mm for both 27.5 and 29 for the 38, and 140-160 for 29 and 27.5 for the 36. I’m assuming that based on how the 34 has been specced on bikes recently, that it will be transferred to 120-140 for all wheel sizes.
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arek wrote:
Looks like the new rock shox fork will be named ZEB :) [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/04/01/9415/s1200_zeb1.jpg[/img]
Looks like the new rock shox fork will be named ZEB Smile
Boing said Zebedee
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Primoz 4/1/2020 10:35pm
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What happens with the Pike then? Same as 34? Though seeing the new Sid is 35 as well...
willsmooth18 4/2/2020 12:11am
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Primoz wrote:
What happens with the Pike then? Same as 34? Though seeing the new Sid is 35 as well...
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is their enduro fork, a little beefier (and with Charger damping too).

So with Charger damping Rock Shox stops at 160mm (when the Motion Control ones, from Revelation to 35, are on 120 to 160mm. And the good ol' Yari from 120 to 180mm, that's a little blury there...). So comes the ZEB (love the pronuciation in french. Here a "zeub" -pronounce \zœb\- is a wee-wee), but they have excelled in standardizing their 35mm stanchions from the SID to the Boxxer, I don't see a resurgence of the Totem, with big ass stanchions, there...

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willsmooth18 wrote:
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is...
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is their enduro fork, a little beefier (and with Charger damping too).

So with Charger damping Rock Shox stops at 160mm (when the Motion Control ones, from Revelation to 35, are on 120 to 160mm. And the good ol' Yari from 120 to 180mm, that's a little blury there...). So comes the ZEB (love the pronuciation in french. Here a "zeub" -pronounce \zœb\- is a wee-wee), but they have excelled in standardizing their 35mm stanchions from the SID to the Boxxer, I don't see a resurgence of the Totem, with big ass stanchions, there...

Yeah it would be surprising to see the introduction of a 38 single crown without them doing the same to the boxxer, although they did do that in the past with the Totem so who knows!? The Ohlins DH fork is 38 already if I'm not mistaken?
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Jrp 4/2/2020 2:58am
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In Steve from vorsprungs latest video did anyone else see this external chamber on the air side of his fork

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kwapik 4/2/2020 8:22am
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Yeah, brash from Australia said he saw it in person while riding in New Zealand
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dlxah 4/2/2020 10:40am
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Jrp wrote:
In Steve from vorsprungs latest video did anyone else see this external chamber on the air side of his fork [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/9416/s1200_5ED2FE18_4C29_456A_8805_B56575C4BD6D.jpg[/img]
In Steve from vorsprungs latest video did anyone else see this external chamber on the air side of his fork

Somebody asked him about it in the comments, and Steve said it's an "Accelerometer housing for the datalogger."
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Primoz 4/3/2020 6:51am
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Primoz wrote:
What happens with the Pike then? Same as 34? Though seeing the new Sid is 35 as well...
willsmooth18 wrote:
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is...
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is their enduro fork, a little beefier (and with Charger damping too).

So with Charger damping Rock Shox stops at 160mm (when the Motion Control ones, from Revelation to 35, are on 120 to 160mm. And the good ol' Yari from 120 to 180mm, that's a little blury there...). So comes the ZEB (love the pronuciation in french. Here a "zeub" -pronounce \zœb\- is a wee-wee), but they have excelled in standardizing their 35mm stanchions from the SID to the Boxxer, I don't see a resurgence of the Totem, with big ass stanchions, there...

I'm aware of that. But the 150ish mm range is technically covered by the Pike with the Lyrik being the longer option. If the 38 takes the longer options, ZEB should do the same. If 36 gets limited to 150-160 mm, Lyrik should get the same treatment, if we're making parallels, therefore my question, what happens with the Pike?

You have the new SID from the bottom at 120 mm... Pike 130-140 mm then?
baronKanon 4/3/2020 7:04am
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Primoz wrote:
I'm aware of that. But the 150ish mm range is technically covered by the Pike with the Lyrik being the longer option. If the 38 takes...
I'm aware of that. But the 150ish mm range is technically covered by the Pike with the Lyrik being the longer option. If the 38 takes the longer options, ZEB should do the same. If 36 gets limited to 150-160 mm, Lyrik should get the same treatment, if we're making parallels, therefore my question, what happens with the Pike?

You have the new SID from the bottom at 120 mm... Pike 130-140 mm then?
I see the SID Ultimate to be a contender for Fox 34 SC, not overlap the Pike. And the Pike will be in the same segment as Fox 34.
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Masjo 4/3/2020 9:24am
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So general consensus is:
32/SID SL: strictly 100/XC Race
34 SC/SID: 100-120
34/Pike: 120-150
36/Lyrik: 150-170
38/ZEB: 160?-180

Seems like some significant overlap in a category where a lot of bikes sit (150-160 forks). Are we going to see some history repeat itself, where we relegate an even bigger chassis to only lower travel? It wasn't that long ago that you could get a Fox 32 with 150mm (!!!) of travel. Maybe the 32 fork finally dies (or a restricted to XC race / gravel), 34/35 stanchions end up being the 'short travel' fork (up to 150) and 36/38 forks are the 'long travel (>150mm) forks. This may not apply to dual crown forks as they have an inherent stiffness advantage (not the same kind of stiffness, but still stiffer).

For context, I remember owning a 32mm stanchion fork set at 140 and could definitely feel the flex in that even though I was not that good. I still can't shred that hard, but I ride faster than I did a decade ago and I don't have a problem with my 150mm Pike Ultimate.
grumpygears 4/3/2020 12:02pm
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Masjo wrote:
So general consensus is: 32/SID SL: strictly 100/XC Race 34 SC/SID: 100-120 34/Pike: 120-150 36/Lyrik: 150-170 38/ZEB: 160?-180 Seems like some significant overlap in a category...
So general consensus is:
32/SID SL: strictly 100/XC Race
34 SC/SID: 100-120
34/Pike: 120-150
36/Lyrik: 150-170
38/ZEB: 160?-180

Seems like some significant overlap in a category where a lot of bikes sit (150-160 forks). Are we going to see some history repeat itself, where we relegate an even bigger chassis to only lower travel? It wasn't that long ago that you could get a Fox 32 with 150mm (!!!) of travel. Maybe the 32 fork finally dies (or a restricted to XC race / gravel), 34/35 stanchions end up being the 'short travel' fork (up to 150) and 36/38 forks are the 'long travel (>150mm) forks. This may not apply to dual crown forks as they have an inherent stiffness advantage (not the same kind of stiffness, but still stiffer).

For context, I remember owning a 32mm stanchion fork set at 140 and could definitely feel the flex in that even though I was not that good. I still can't shred that hard, but I ride faster than I did a decade ago and I don't have a problem with my 150mm Pike Ultimate.
I think you're on point for the travel ranges you've listed above. I would imagine the focus for the 38/ZEB is more focused on E-bike then longer travel enduro bikes, at least in the eyes of the manufacturers selling to bike companies.

But as mentioned before in this thread love em or hate em maybe E-bikes will benefit us. Cant complain about better equipment with more longevity right?
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RiderMikeCheck1 4/3/2020 1:03pm
4/3/2020 1:03pm
The Zeb is for e-bikes (longer travel categories) and those wanting to have dual crown type performance with a single crown fork. Park bikes, enduro, heavy riders, etc. Obviously from the photos it has the larger lower bearing/crown race. Will likely add a lot of stiffness from that.
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Big Bird 4/3/2020 3:44pm
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jeff.brines wrote:
Only circling back here to say Fox has a patent on the oil re-circulation you guys are describing (I found it this morning) and because MRP...
Only circling back here to say Fox has a patent on the oil re-circulation you guys are describing (I found it this morning) and because MRP basically trolled me I will be buying one of their forks.

Back to the shadowy shadows I go.
Million Dollar Idea for you... What if that extra top clamp also functioned as the handlebar? How stiff would that be! You could do clip-ons like on a street moto. Adjustable crossbar for sweep. Options. And more volume for a fourth air spring.


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baronKanon 4/5/2020 9:59pm
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sspomer wrote:
studying history is hard - the Stratoseat and Stratostem. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1146848654/stratoseat-and-stratostem-riding-in-the-stratosphere?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=suspension [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/04/05/9420/s1200_Screen_Shot_2020_04_05_at_6.42.35_PM.jpg[/img]
studying history is hard - the Stratoseat and Stratostem.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1146848654/stratoseat-and-stratost…


My eyes hurt!
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mwolpin 4/6/2020 9:51am
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Interesting positioning of the rear shock. The piggy back is on the bottom and against the seat tube versus the top and middle of the triangle.
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Zuestman 4/6/2020 9:58am
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sspomer wrote:
studying history is hard - the Stratoseat and Stratostem. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1146848654/stratoseat-and-stratostem-riding-in-the-stratosphere?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=suspension [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/04/05/9420/s1200_Screen_Shot_2020_04_05_at_6.42.35_PM.jpg[/img]
studying history is hard - the Stratoseat and Stratostem.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1146848654/stratoseat-and-stratost…


Seriously...where do people think this is a good idea again. Though when you look at the bike it is on...it makes sense.

Also, when you look at the photos of where the test took place etc.... At least I am glad to see that no one is actually willing to invest in the product.

Not sure the stem will work with the new enduro geometry though....just a hair long :D

Histroy is bound to repeat itself..... (facepalm)
Dickscruttock 4/6/2020 2:03pm
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Lets get Foxy tomorrow...
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Primoz 4/6/2020 2:48pm
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mwolpin wrote:
Interesting positioning of the rear shock. The piggy back is on the bottom and against the seat tube versus the top and middle of the triangle...
Interesting positioning of the rear shock. The piggy back is on the bottom and against the seat tube versus the top and middle of the triangle.
The cube is like this in the current shape as well. Nothing new. And not the only bike like this if I'm not mistaken.

It's cumbersome, but the weight is moved down and this way the downtube can hug the shock closer without any S-shapes in it.
Philip_Rossetti 4/6/2020 3:37pm
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Damn boy she’s THICC!!
Definitely not 35mm


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Philip_Rossetti wrote:
Damn boy she’s THICC!! Definitely not 35mm [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/04/06/9425/s1200_C01CB804_8091_438E_83BE_17A4C66FFD19.jpg[/img]
Damn boy she’s THICC!!
Definitely not 35mm


The lower leg bridge looks sweet! I like it better than the curved Fox RAD forks.
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OneManArmy 4/6/2020 4:58pm
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Philip_Rossetti wrote:
Damn boy she’s THICC!! Definitely not 35mm [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/04/06/9425/s1200_C01CB804_8091_438E_83BE_17A4C66FFD19.jpg[/img]
Damn boy she’s THICC!!
Definitely not 35mm


Mtbforlife4 wrote:
The lower leg bridge looks sweet! I like it better than the curved Fox RAD forks.
Personally I like it. But either way... function first.
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We Are One Composites frame mold teaser?
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Shawn_Trudell 4/6/2020 9:44pm
4/6/2020 9:44pm
Mitch Ropelato posing with something new BlackBox/RockShox. No real info out there but my gut tells me perhaps a Sea Otter release item - before you know....
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