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I was wrong. A crab leg belongs in the steerer.

a hot dog fits into steerer. by this logic that should increase both stiffness and deliciousness.

It's really nice to be in a place where newer bikes aren't necessarily better, and we're not sure of the obvious path to take to make a bike better. Not good for brands, but certainly good for us.

I just torque my headset cap to 50Nm.

It fits in the headtube of your fork, so it increases the stiffness 🙏

Neuhaus Metalworks made a build and ride impressions video for a rigid 32" prototype:

Feels like we're winning this battle, team. Nice work complaining enough to move the needle.

Orbea updated the Occam and Occam LT to include cable ports. https://www.orbea.com/us-en/bicycles/mountain/occam/?sfid=0012p00004HYc…

I started paying attention to geo about ten years ago. For a while there every enduro bike release was trying to update to get closer to the Giant Reign of 2015 without anyone really saying so. That was in the everything needs to be longer, lower and slacker days. Couple of outliers came along, Pole and Geometron being the ones I remember. For the most part, seated cockpit sizes still haven’t recovered. 645mm ett used to be large territory, now that’s an xl in a lot of brands. If you want that 78-80° seat tube, you need a 530-540 reach...

The second law of thermodynamics in the Vital Forums: all tech rumors eventually devolve to a discussion about chainstay length.

All suspension designs will become Crab and all tech rumor conversations will become Long Chainstay

hell yeah. crabbotron4000 with global shock redundancy

Additionally, heres a gif. The colors come out weird because the two bikes are layered on eachother :/

I'm going to take a moment to lay out a real tech based reason that a dual shock bike could be useful. Not because I think it's where this bike was going and not because I necessarily think it's a good idea. Just for the fun of it. Each shock has its own leverage curve. You could use this to create an effective leverage curve anywhere between the two by proportionally changing the amount of support you are getting from each shock. Let's say one leverage curve was 30% progression and the other was 10%... you could alter how each...

Well, seing it out in the wild, its not that much of a sercret anymore i guess Cool to see they have so great specced alu frames

While the name is kinda on point, it could be worse, like "Ransom."

No so sure about the strategy of, in fairly quick succession, having a huge sale and taking a bunch of people's money, sending them an email telling them neither the bike nor a refund are imminent, and then launching a new version of a bike called the "decoy."

Who in their right mind is going to spend any money on a new e-bike from YT right now? If I wanted to get rid of several thousand dollars quickly for nothing in return, there are plenty of better ways to do it, such as setting it on fire or hiring a lawyer to claw back money from YT for other customers.

Can someone put sam pilgrim in contact with these boys please. I bet he would take that thing down a line and actually look good while doing so.

"No bottom out point on spring it just knows when to stop because its progressive." Pretty sure it stopped when the bottom bracket hit the ground.