Respectfully, I think you rode a different tire or the mm you’re comparing to is not a gravity casing. The previous wild enduro rear was porky...
Respectfully, I think you rode a different tire or the mm you’re comparing to is not a gravity casing. The previous wild enduro rear was porky for sure, the one linked rides slower than a tacky chan 2.4 gravity casing, but closer to a tc than a magic mary imo.
I think Michelins casings are more damped and feel heavier fwiw I would say the rear is similiar to the previous gen eliminator but with the Michelin treatment and better cornering knobs.
well here is a picture as a proof i did ride that tyre, it did felt slow af, 100% slower than the Albert Gravity i've had...
well here is a picture as a proof i did ride that tyre, it did felt slow af, 100% slower than the Albert Gravity i've had after, i think it can be the rubber compound or the very very stiff chasing, not sure, but both up and down it was just sluggish as, reason why it came off after a couple of weeks.
I haven't run the tire but I see it's only available (in the US at least) in Magi-X. That is a pretty slow rolling compound, like...
I haven't run the tire but I see it's only available (in the US at least) in Magi-X. That is a pretty slow rolling compound, like 3CG. The previous gen of it, I'm pretty sure, was offered in gum-x.
I had gumx wild enduros f/r. Pretty light and good durability but yea the rolling resistance was brutal.
Swapped my TC 2.5 Trail Pro Radial Soft after ~250mi for a Romy 2.5 Trail Pro Radial Soft yesterday.The TC was definitely worn, but could have...
Swapped my TC 2.5 Trail Pro Radial Soft after ~250mi for a Romy 2.5 Trail Pro Radial Soft yesterday.
The TC was definitely worn, but could have lasted another 50mi if I didn’t have another tire I wanted to try. Another 100mi and it would have been pretty roached. That’s about what I’d expect to get out of a DHR2 MaxTerra. (I haven’t tried the new MaxTerra compound.) Really good tire in back, with my only real complaint being that the center knobs feel squirmy on high-traction rocks and a little vague on hardpack. Great in loose and loose-over-hard, though.
My legs are still cooked from the gym, so my ride yesterday wasn’t particularly adventurous, but my first impressions of the Romy are really positive. It rolls really fast, climbing traction seems great, no complaints about braking traction, and the cornering lugs hook up really nice. I didn’t get out to the slabs yet, but my initial impressions are that the Romy has less squirm on rocks than the TC. Not unexpected, given the tighter spacing, greater width, and lower height of the center knobs on the Romy.
I think Romy/Romy would be a really great choice for a trail bike in dry, rocky conditions, and I’m pretty curious now how it would go as a front tire on some of the gnarlier trails around here. You’d lose some braking traction, I think, but the corner lugs seem as burly as either the TC or MM.
I was previously thinking TC front and either NN or WW on the rear for my dry (even in winter) loose over hard granite rock/decomposed granite...
I was previously thinking TC front and either NN or WW on the rear for my dry (even in winter) loose over hard granite rock/decomposed granite local.
But now you've got me wondering about romy front with either NN or WW rear 🤔
I don’t have any experience with NN or WW, but I feel like putting a TC in front with either of those in back wouldn’t feel very balanced. The TC is some big meat. That said, the Schwalbe PR says the Romy is intended to take the place of the Hans Dampf and NN, so maybe it’d be fine? I’m certainly loving the TC/Romy pairing.
Curious what the tire nerds would recommend as the fastest rolling tire that Maxxis offers in a 29" double down casing. Looking for a durable rear...
Curious what the tire nerds would recommend as the fastest rolling tire that Maxxis offers in a 29" double down casing. Looking for a durable rear tire for a trail bike and I ride like a hack so I am not a great candidate for an EXO+ rear tire.
Not Maxxis but I'd suggest checking out Teravail Honcho in the durable casing, but all 29" sizes seem to be out of stock RN. Fast rolling thread, stiff and robust AF sidewalls but also not exactly lightweight.
Respectfully, I think you rode a different tire or the mm you’re comparing to is not a gravity casing. The previous wild enduro rear was porky...
Respectfully, I think you rode a different tire or the mm you’re comparing to is not a gravity casing. The previous wild enduro rear was porky for sure, the one linked rides slower than a tacky chan 2.4 gravity casing, but closer to a tc than a magic mary imo.
I think Michelins casings are more damped and feel heavier fwiw I would say the rear is similiar to the previous gen eliminator but with the Michelin treatment and better cornering knobs.
well here is a picture as a proof i did ride that tyre, it did felt slow af, 100% slower than the Albert Gravity i've had...
well here is a picture as a proof i did ride that tyre, it did felt slow af, 100% slower than the Albert Gravity i've had after, i think it can be the rubber compound or the very very stiff chasing, not sure, but both up and down it was just sluggish as, reason why it came off after a couple of weeks.
I haven't run the tire but I see it's only available (in the US at least) in Magi-X. That is a pretty slow rolling compound, like...
I haven't run the tire but I see it's only available (in the US at least) in Magi-X. That is a pretty slow rolling compound, like 3CG. The previous gen of it, I'm pretty sure, was offered in gum-x.
Im sure that’s the “issue” making it so slow, the magi x compound
Swapped my TC 2.5 Trail Pro Radial Soft after ~250mi for a Romy 2.5 Trail Pro Radial Soft yesterday.The TC was definitely worn, but could have...
Swapped my TC 2.5 Trail Pro Radial Soft after ~250mi for a Romy 2.5 Trail Pro Radial Soft yesterday.
The TC was definitely worn, but could have lasted another 50mi if I didn’t have another tire I wanted to try. Another 100mi and it would have been pretty roached. That’s about what I’d expect to get out of a DHR2 MaxTerra. (I haven’t tried the new MaxTerra compound.) Really good tire in back, with my only real complaint being that the center knobs feel squirmy on high-traction rocks and a little vague on hardpack. Great in loose and loose-over-hard, though.
My legs are still cooked from the gym, so my ride yesterday wasn’t particularly adventurous, but my first impressions of the Romy are really positive. It rolls really fast, climbing traction seems great, no complaints about braking traction, and the cornering lugs hook up really nice. I didn’t get out to the slabs yet, but my initial impressions are that the Romy has less squirm on rocks than the TC. Not unexpected, given the tighter spacing, greater width, and lower height of the center knobs on the Romy.
I think Romy/Romy would be a really great choice for a trail bike in dry, rocky conditions, and I’m pretty curious now how it would go as a front tire on some of the gnarlier trails around here. You’d lose some braking traction, I think, but the corner lugs seem as burly as either the TC or MM.
I don’t have any experience with NN or WW, but I feel like putting a TC in front with either of those in back wouldn’t feel...
I don’t have any experience with NN or WW, but I feel like putting a TC in front with either of those in back wouldn’t feel very balanced. The TC is some big meat. That said, the Schwalbe PR says the Romy is intended to take the place of the Hans Dampf and NN, so maybe it’d be fine? I’m certainly loving the TC/Romy pairing.
Thanks.
No probably not a balanced combo, though unbalanced combos seem to work well at my local.
Currently running an ethirteen all terrain front, ethirteen optimus rear (the optimus has survived despite some casing weepage and 2 small slashes that the DIY sealant sealed immediately).
Previous combo (and my favourite so far) was WTB Judge front, WTB Trail Boss rear.
Thanks. No probably not a balanced combo, though unbalanced combos seem to work well at my local. Currently running an ethirteen all terrain front, ethirteen optimus rear (the...
Thanks.
No probably not a balanced combo, though unbalanced combos seem to work well at my local.
Currently running an ethirteen all terrain front, ethirteen optimus rear (the optimus has survived despite some casing weepage and 2 small slashes that the DIY sealant sealed immediately).
Previous combo (and my favourite so far) was WTB Judge front, WTB Trail Boss rear.
Nobby Nic Soft rear with Tacky Chan Super Soft front works great for me on my shorter travel bike. The NN has good side knobs.
The Wicked Will... not so much. Definitely an xc speedy tire, not a do-all MTB tire. The NN and WW are miles apart in terms of traction.
Thanks. No probably not a balanced combo, though unbalanced combos seem to work well at my local. Currently running an ethirteen all terrain front, ethirteen optimus rear (the...
Thanks.
No probably not a balanced combo, though unbalanced combos seem to work well at my local.
Currently running an ethirteen all terrain front, ethirteen optimus rear (the optimus has survived despite some casing weepage and 2 small slashes that the DIY sealant sealed immediately).
Previous combo (and my favourite so far) was WTB Judge front, WTB Trail Boss rear.
Ok, so a bit of a mea culpa from me. I’ve always been a bit dismissive of the Magic Mary because it’s always had the reputation of being a wet weather specialist and I never see anyone around here running them because the Front Range doesn’t have wet weather. (If it’s raining enough to count as wet then the trails are impassable peanut butter clay and/or closed.) I’ve had a MM Trail Pro 2.5 Soft on my workbench, and figured today was the day to try it -- after all, I’m loving the Romy in the back and Schwalbe’s “Allrounder” recommendation is MM/Romy. Might as well take them up that, plus I’ve noticed most Schwalbe DH teams running the MM in front, even on fast, dry tracks.
I only got a short ride today with the MM on front, but damn if that tire doesn’t hook right up. It definitely rolls a little slower than the TC, but it’s a lot more predictable on rocks and roots. The TC isn’t necessarily bad in those situations, but it’s got a vagueness to it that makes it feel like you’re getting through a section without necessarily being in charge of how. The TC feels like it doesn’t have a lot of resistance to pivoting around the contact patch, which is great for being able to tip into turns at speed but also means that initiating countersteering at low speeds (e.g. technical uphill sections) feels weird. Turning the MM at low speed feels like the tire is pushing away from the direction you’re turning the bars (like an Assegai or Kryptotal Fr), which feels more natural to me.
I won’t be able to get it out on the steeper, looser trails until next week, but I’m really impressed with Schwalbe’s new lineup.
Codahale, not surprised to hear this. I found the MM radial a good all arounder. It does everything pretty well and does loamier dirt in the San Juan high country really well. To me it doesn't quite have that same level of locked in when leaning feel that the TC seems to, like a DHF, but it certainly hooks up fine and doesn't seem to need as much of a committed lean as the TC does to bite fairly well in natural bermless corners. The TC does seem to have more outright cornering grip when ya commit and lean on it though. MM is certainly a good tread pattern. Not surprised it is still a common choice at the highest level of racing in many conditions, especially the radial version.
Looking forward to riding a Romy in the rear. Thanks for posting your impressions of that tire. Are you running the 2.4 or the 2.5 width?
Codahale, not surprised to hear this. I found the MM radial a good all arounder. It does everything pretty well and does loamier dirt in the...
Codahale, not surprised to hear this. I found the MM radial a good all arounder. It does everything pretty well and does loamier dirt in the San Juan high country really well. To me it doesn't quite have that same level of locked in when leaning feel that the TC seems to, like a DHF, but it certainly hooks up fine and doesn't seem to need as much of a committed lean as the TC does to bite fairly well in natural bermless corners. The TC does seem to have more outright cornering grip when ya commit and lean on it though. MM is certainly a good tread pattern. Not surprised it is still a common choice at the highest level of racing in many conditions, especially the radial version.
Looking forward to riding a Romy in the rear. Thanks for posting your impressions of that tire. Are you running the 2.4 or the 2.5 width?
Yeah, you get the TC on its edge and it absolutely rips, especially for how fast-rolling it is. I just think the MM might be a better fit for the terrain here. I’m really curious to see how it feels on the looser trails around here in comparison. I’ve been running 2.5 on everything -- I’ve got tire clearance for days.
Curious what the tire nerds would recommend as the fastest rolling tire that Maxxis offers in a 29" double down casing. Looking for a durable rear...
Curious what the tire nerds would recommend as the fastest rolling tire that Maxxis offers in a 29" double down casing. Looking for a durable rear tire for a trail bike and I ride like a hack so I am not a great candidate for an EXO+ rear tire.
IME dissector v1 definitely rolled faster than the aggressor, but I haven't tried a dissector v2. I would expect with the taller knobs it's slower than...
IME dissector v1 definitely rolled faster than the aggressor, but I haven't tried a dissector v2. I would expect with the taller knobs it's slower than v1, but surely still faster than the dhr2. (Is there a point for the dissector v2 to exist if it doesn't roll faster than dhr2?)
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft is fine for my pedal bike which only gets 1/5 that much distance.
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft...
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft is fine for my pedal bike which only gets 1/5 that much distance.
this thread is making me thankful for my local terrain, I have soft Magic Mary front that I've been using since 2022 on multiple bikes and probably has over 3000km at this point !
Currently building a DH bike for park use, really not sure what tires I'm gonna go with 🤔 Radial Schwalbes because I'm curious about those, DHR because I like it in trail shape, Kryptotal to try something different, Michelins can also be had at a reasonable price...
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft...
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft is fine for my pedal bike which only gets 1/5 that much distance.
That's the plan long term. I've got a DHR MT (old compound) that I've got to use up in the bin, but a Krypto Re is next in queue. I know that lasts a full year for me.
Anyone have ride time on the new radial specialized tires to compare to non radial? Always been a fan of butchers
I've got a bit of time on the Butcher and Eliminator on my Enduro bike and they're legit. I'm coming off of Conti Kryptos and they definitely feel more grippy, I immediately felt the difference in the radial casing as soon as I had them on, the Conti's felt almost wooden in comparison. I was concerned about the Eliminator out back being it's more of a trail bike tire but they're seriously impressive, testing them out with some hard stops on flatter loose / dusty trails I had expected them to slip and drift like my Kryptos but they just grip and stop. Keep in mind, my rear Krypto wasn't a fresh tire so maybe that's not a perfect comparison.
Most of my riding has been on more trail bike style trails but I've had a bit of riding on our local steeper, looser, chunkier Enduro / DH style mid-upper mountain trails and I didn't feel any worse off than my Kryptos. I still need more time on those trails and am coming back from an injury so I'm not pushing too hard but can report back after some time. Spesh doesn't recommend these tires for bike park riding so that's still a question mark for me atm.
The main downside I've noticed between the Conti's is rolling speed, they feel a bit more glued to the ground and not quite as eager to pop and jib around. That may be a consequence of the weight of the tires, they're not light. I still need to play around with tire pressure to see if that helps too, I'm still running my typical 23F/25R.
Overall, these tires are sick especially for being more "trail bike" tires. I'm looking forward to a lighter casing for the radials, particularly for the front but they're manageable if you're used to pedalling DH tires. And if and when Spesh releases a radial casing for the Hillbilly and Cannibal I will be keen to give those a try, they'll probably be sick. Would buy these tires again and can definitely recommend.
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft...
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft is fine for my pedal bike which only gets 1/5 that much distance.
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft...
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft is fine for my pedal bike which only gets 1/5 that much distance.
To be fair, don't they market the new Eddy Current as the recommend rear for ebikes?
Neither the Eddy Current nor the Albert are good rear tread patterns for the trails I ride. Their Soft rubber is the same, and will wear just as fast. Having more knobs doesn't change that.
Fresh High Roller 3 and DHR 2 today felt great and predictable - I like being able to feel what the tire knobs are doing.
Codahale, not surprised to hear this. I found the MM radial a good all arounder. It does everything pretty well and does loamier dirt in the...
Codahale, not surprised to hear this. I found the MM radial a good all arounder. It does everything pretty well and does loamier dirt in the San Juan high country really well. To me it doesn't quite have that same level of locked in when leaning feel that the TC seems to, like a DHF, but it certainly hooks up fine and doesn't seem to need as much of a committed lean as the TC does to bite fairly well in natural bermless corners. The TC does seem to have more outright cornering grip when ya commit and lean on it though. MM is certainly a good tread pattern. Not surprised it is still a common choice at the highest level of racing in many conditions, especially the radial version.
Looking forward to riding a Romy in the rear. Thanks for posting your impressions of that tire. Are you running the 2.4 or the 2.5 width?
Yeah, you get the TC on its edge and it absolutely rips, especially for how fast-rolling it is. I just think the MM might be a...
Yeah, you get the TC on its edge and it absolutely rips, especially for how fast-rolling it is. I just think the MM might be a better fit for the terrain here. I’m really curious to see how it feels on the looser trails around here in comparison. I’ve been running 2.5 on everything -- I’ve got tire clearance for days.
Even though the radial version of the TC is a better all around front tire than the diagonal version I think it's still at its best on familiar trails. On my home trails that reward pumping and hard cornering it works great. I think the MM is more forgiving and confident on loose, wet, or unfamiliar trails.
So I'll probably continue with TC in the front during the summer months and MM when the rain returns and slick sniper roots are trying to kill me. Still really liking the Romy as a rear.
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft...
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft is fine for my pedal bike which only gets 1/5 that much distance.
I experienced the same, sadly. I've been on the new Eddy Current radial for a few rides and while it doesn't have the same grip level of the TC, it still looks brand new.
well here is a picture as a proof i did ride that tyre, it did felt slow af, 100% slower than the Albert Gravity i've had...
well here is a picture as a proof i did ride that tyre, it did felt slow af, 100% slower than the Albert Gravity i've had after, i think it can be the rubber compound or the very very stiff chasing, not sure, but both up and down it was just sluggish as, reason why it came off after a couple of weeks.
I haven't run the tire but I see it's only available (in the US at least) in Magi-X. That is a pretty slow rolling compound, like...
I haven't run the tire but I see it's only available (in the US at least) in Magi-X. That is a pretty slow rolling compound, like 3CG. The previous gen of it, I'm pretty sure, was offered in gum-x.
I had gumx wild enduros f/r. Pretty light and good durability but yea the rolling resistance was brutal.
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”.
Had the chance to ride 2.5 gravity casing Albert’s with an insert in the rear in finale recently and i was really surprised. It was a rental bike setup with 31 psi(!) in the front and 36 psi in the rear(!). Had the chance to ride same bike with enduro casing kryptotals in phoenix.
I was shocked when the guy told me the pressures but I gave it a go and sure enough the tires were great. No vagueness but also found it easy to lock in cornering grip. I think on my first ride when I get home, I’m going to pump up the gravity casing MMs that I relegated to my trail bike because “not enough support” and give them another go.
Also rode enduro casing kryptotals in Davos… I can’t say I would recommend them, but the Albert’s were a little eye opening for me.
I haven't run the tire but I see it's only available (in the US at least) in Magi-X. That is a pretty slow rolling compound, like...
I haven't run the tire but I see it's only available (in the US at least) in Magi-X. That is a pretty slow rolling compound, like 3CG. The previous gen of it, I'm pretty sure, was offered in gum-x.
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”. Had the chance to ride...
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”.
Had the chance to ride 2.5 gravity casing Albert’s with an insert in the rear in finale recently and i was really surprised. It was a rental bike setup with 31 psi(!) in the front and 36 psi in the rear(!). Had the chance to ride same bike with enduro casing kryptotals in phoenix.
I was shocked when the guy told me the pressures but I gave it a go and sure enough the tires were great. No vagueness but also found it easy to lock in cornering grip. I think on my first ride when I get home, I’m going to pump up the gravity casing MMs that I relegated to my trail bike because “not enough support” and give them another go.
Also rode enduro casing kryptotals in Davos… I can’t say I would recommend them, but the Albert’s were a little eye opening for me.
Those tire pressures only make sense in Arizona, haha
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”. Had the chance to ride...
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”.
Had the chance to ride 2.5 gravity casing Albert’s with an insert in the rear in finale recently and i was really surprised. It was a rental bike setup with 31 psi(!) in the front and 36 psi in the rear(!). Had the chance to ride same bike with enduro casing kryptotals in phoenix.
I was shocked when the guy told me the pressures but I gave it a go and sure enough the tires were great. No vagueness but also found it easy to lock in cornering grip. I think on my first ride when I get home, I’m going to pump up the gravity casing MMs that I relegated to my trail bike because “not enough support” and give them another go.
Also rode enduro casing kryptotals in Davos… I can’t say I would recommend them, but the Albert’s were a little eye opening for me.
Miiiiight wanna look up the manufacturer’s max pressure guidance for your rims.
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”. Had the chance to ride...
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”.
Had the chance to ride 2.5 gravity casing Albert’s with an insert in the rear in finale recently and i was really surprised. It was a rental bike setup with 31 psi(!) in the front and 36 psi in the rear(!). Had the chance to ride same bike with enduro casing kryptotals in phoenix.
I was shocked when the guy told me the pressures but I gave it a go and sure enough the tires were great. No vagueness but also found it easy to lock in cornering grip. I think on my first ride when I get home, I’m going to pump up the gravity casing MMs that I relegated to my trail bike because “not enough support” and give them another go.
Also rode enduro casing kryptotals in Davos… I can’t say I would recommend them, but the Albert’s were a little eye opening for me.
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”. Had the chance to ride...
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”.
Had the chance to ride 2.5 gravity casing Albert’s with an insert in the rear in finale recently and i was really surprised. It was a rental bike setup with 31 psi(!) in the front and 36 psi in the rear(!). Had the chance to ride same bike with enduro casing kryptotals in phoenix.
I was shocked when the guy told me the pressures but I gave it a go and sure enough the tires were great. No vagueness but also found it easy to lock in cornering grip. I think on my first ride when I get home, I’m going to pump up the gravity casing MMs that I relegated to my trail bike because “not enough support” and give them another go.
Also rode enduro casing kryptotals in Davos… I can’t say I would recommend them, but the Albert’s were a little eye opening for me.
I had gumx wild enduros f/r. Pretty light and good durability but yea the rolling resistance was brutal.
I don’t have any experience with NN or WW, but I feel like putting a TC in front with either of those in back wouldn’t feel very balanced. The TC is some big meat. That said, the Schwalbe PR says the Romy is intended to take the place of the Hans Dampf and NN, so maybe it’d be fine? I’m certainly loving the TC/Romy pairing.
Not Maxxis but I'd suggest checking out Teravail Honcho in the durable casing, but all 29" sizes seem to be out of stock RN. Fast rolling thread, stiff and robust AF sidewalls but also not exactly lightweight.
Im sure that’s the “issue” making it so slow, the magi x compound
Thanks for all the feedback, y'all! Sounds like the Dissector 29x2.4" MaxxTerra DD casing is going to be my guy. Thank you!
Thanks.
No probably not a balanced combo, though unbalanced combos seem to work well at my local.
Currently running an ethirteen all terrain front, ethirteen optimus rear (the optimus has survived despite some casing weepage and 2 small slashes that the DIY sealant sealed immediately).
Previous combo (and my favourite so far) was WTB Judge front, WTB Trail Boss rear.
Nobby Nic Soft rear with Tacky Chan Super Soft front works great for me on my shorter travel bike. The NN has good side knobs.
The Wicked Will... not so much. Definitely an xc speedy tire, not a do-all MTB tire. The NN and WW are miles apart in terms of traction.
Yeah I feel like the WW is probably more like the optimus I am currently running on the rear.
NN more like the previous Trail Boss.
And TBH the optimus doesn't roll much better than the Trail Boss did anyway, but definitely gives up some ground when it comes to grip on the trail.
Ok, so a bit of a mea culpa from me. I’ve always been a bit dismissive of the Magic Mary because it’s always had the reputation of being a wet weather specialist and I never see anyone around here running them because the Front Range doesn’t have wet weather. (If it’s raining enough to count as wet then the trails are impassable peanut butter clay and/or closed.) I’ve had a MM Trail Pro 2.5 Soft on my workbench, and figured today was the day to try it -- after all, I’m loving the Romy in the back and Schwalbe’s “Allrounder” recommendation is MM/Romy. Might as well take them up that, plus I’ve noticed most Schwalbe DH teams running the MM in front, even on fast, dry tracks.
I only got a short ride today with the MM on front, but damn if that tire doesn’t hook right up. It definitely rolls a little slower than the TC, but it’s a lot more predictable on rocks and roots. The TC isn’t necessarily bad in those situations, but it’s got a vagueness to it that makes it feel like you’re getting through a section without necessarily being in charge of how. The TC feels like it doesn’t have a lot of resistance to pivoting around the contact patch, which is great for being able to tip into turns at speed but also means that initiating countersteering at low speeds (e.g. technical uphill sections) feels weird. Turning the MM at low speed feels like the tire is pushing away from the direction you’re turning the bars (like an Assegai or Kryptotal Fr), which feels more natural to me.
I won’t be able to get it out on the steeper, looser trails until next week, but I’m really impressed with Schwalbe’s new lineup.
Codahale, not surprised to hear this. I found the MM radial a good all arounder. It does everything pretty well and does loamier dirt in the San Juan high country really well. To me it doesn't quite have that same level of locked in when leaning feel that the TC seems to, like a DHF, but it certainly hooks up fine and doesn't seem to need as much of a committed lean as the TC does to bite fairly well in natural bermless corners. The TC does seem to have more outright cornering grip when ya commit and lean on it though. MM is certainly a good tread pattern. Not surprised it is still a common choice at the highest level of racing in many conditions, especially the radial version.
Looking forward to riding a Romy in the rear. Thanks for posting your impressions of that tire. Are you running the 2.4 or the 2.5 width?
Yeah, you get the TC on its edge and it absolutely rips, especially for how fast-rolling it is. I just think the MM might be a better fit for the terrain here. I’m really curious to see how it feels on the looser trails around here in comparison. I’ve been running 2.5 on everything -- I’ve got tire clearance for days.
v2 Dissector rolls way faster than DHR2.
I think I'm done with Schwalbes on the rear of my ebike. I got 4 weeks out of this one at ~15,000' vert per week. Soft is fine for my pedal bike which only gets 1/5 that much distance.
I would do a kryptotal re soft.
this thread is making me thankful for my local terrain, I have soft Magic Mary front that I've been using since 2022 on multiple bikes and probably has over 3000km at this point !
Currently building a DH bike for park use, really not sure what tires I'm gonna go with 🤔 Radial Schwalbes because I'm curious about those, DHR because I like it in trail shape, Kryptotal to try something different, Michelins can also be had at a reasonable price...
That's the plan long term. I've got a DHR MT (old compound) that I've got to use up in the bin, but a Krypto Re is next in queue. I know that lasts a full year for me.
I've got a bit of time on the Butcher and Eliminator on my Enduro bike and they're legit. I'm coming off of Conti Kryptos and they definitely feel more grippy, I immediately felt the difference in the radial casing as soon as I had them on, the Conti's felt almost wooden in comparison. I was concerned about the Eliminator out back being it's more of a trail bike tire but they're seriously impressive, testing them out with some hard stops on flatter loose / dusty trails I had expected them to slip and drift like my Kryptos but they just grip and stop. Keep in mind, my rear Krypto wasn't a fresh tire so maybe that's not a perfect comparison.
Most of my riding has been on more trail bike style trails but I've had a bit of riding on our local steeper, looser, chunkier Enduro / DH style mid-upper mountain trails and I didn't feel any worse off than my Kryptos. I still need more time on those trails and am coming back from an injury so I'm not pushing too hard but can report back after some time. Spesh doesn't recommend these tires for bike park riding so that's still a question mark for me atm.
The main downside I've noticed between the Conti's is rolling speed, they feel a bit more glued to the ground and not quite as eager to pop and jib around. That may be a consequence of the weight of the tires, they're not light. I still need to play around with tire pressure to see if that helps too, I'm still running my typical 23F/25R.
Overall, these tires are sick especially for being more "trail bike" tires. I'm looking forward to a lighter casing for the radials, particularly for the front but they're manageable if you're used to pedalling DH tires. And if and when Spesh releases a radial casing for the Hillbilly and Cannibal I will be keen to give those a try, they'll probably be sick. Would buy these tires again and can definitely recommend.
Albert wears more slowly; tighter knobs
To be fair, don't they market the new Eddy Current as the recommend rear for ebikes?
Eddy Current
Neither the Eddy Current nor the Albert are good rear tread patterns for the trails I ride. Their Soft rubber is the same, and will wear just as fast. Having more knobs doesn't change that.
Fresh High Roller 3 and DHR 2 today felt great and predictable - I like being able to feel what the tire knobs are doing.
Even though the radial version of the TC is a better all around front tire than the diagonal version I think it's still at its best on familiar trails. On my home trails that reward pumping and hard cornering it works great. I think the MM is more forgiving and confident on loose, wet, or unfamiliar trails.
So I'll probably continue with TC in the front during the summer months and MM when the rain returns and slick sniper roots are trying to kill me. Still really liking the Romy as a rear.
I experienced the same, sadly. I've been on the new Eddy Current radial for a few rides and while it doesn't have the same grip level of the TC, it still looks brand new.
I think I’ve been riding a dh16 rear tire long enough that it has me thinking the wild enduro rear rolls “fast”.
Had the chance to ride 2.5 gravity casing Albert’s with an insert in the rear in finale recently and i was really surprised. It was a rental bike setup with 31 psi(!) in the front and 36 psi in the rear(!). Had the chance to ride same bike with enduro casing kryptotals in phoenix.
I was shocked when the guy told me the pressures but I gave it a go and sure enough the tires were great. No vagueness but also found it easy to lock in cornering grip. I think on my first ride when I get home, I’m going to pump up the gravity casing MMs that I relegated to my trail bike because “not enough support” and give them another go.
Also rode enduro casing kryptotals in Davos… I can’t say I would recommend them, but the Albert’s were a little eye opening for me.
Those tire pressures only make sense in Arizona, haha
Miiiiight wanna look up the manufacturer’s max pressure guidance for your rims.
finale
its a Pivot shop in Finale, on a Pivot rental bike... so 🤷♂️
Also, what rims do you have that have a max pressure at 36psi? All my wheels at home are 40 psi.
Ok, have fun
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