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12/20/2025 10:59am

I think we have known these were coming for awhile but this is the first time I’ve seen the Tacky Chan radials on something other than a race bike. (Post from Crossworx Instragram)IMG 9859

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12/20/2025 11:29am
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Here’s the thing. People get hired into positions of power. They start thinking “I gotta do something!!!”The problem begins when “do something” turns into “change the...

Here’s the thing. People get hired into positions of power. They start thinking “I gotta do something!!!”


The problem begins when “do something” turns into “change the thing”. 

The “something” they could do is at all costs protect the core identities that surround the current position. With all the current fuck-ups in business branding you’d think some lessons had been learned. 

Nope, they can’t help themselves. I actually appreciate that the logo on my 2025 Fox Factory DHX2 is exactly the same logo that was on the shock on my 1994 Cannondale Super-V 1000, and on my Fox Factory Twin-Clicker installed on my 1989 FZR600. 

Once again, old man yelling at clouds. 

Change just for the sake of change... See the recent Cracker Barrel debacle..

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12/20/2025 11:31am
63expert wrote:
Here’s the thing. People get hired into positions of power. They start thinking “I gotta do something!!!”The problem begins when “do something” turns into “change the...

Here’s the thing. People get hired into positions of power. They start thinking “I gotta do something!!!”


The problem begins when “do something” turns into “change the thing”. 

The “something” they could do is at all costs protect the core identities that surround the current position. With all the current fuck-ups in business branding you’d think some lessons had been learned. 

Nope, they can’t help themselves. I actually appreciate that the logo on my 2025 Fox Factory DHX2 is exactly the same logo that was on the shock on my 1994 Cannondale Super-V 1000, and on my Fox Factory Twin-Clicker installed on my 1989 FZR600. 

Once again, old man yelling at clouds. 

Change just for the sake of change... See the recent Cracker Barrel debacle..

Prezactly

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12/20/2025 12:38pm
Kapolczer wrote:
I think we have known these were coming for awhile but this is the first time I’ve seen the Tacky Chan radials on something other than...

I think we have known these were coming for awhile but this is the first time I’ve seen the Tacky Chan radials on something other than a race bike. (Post from Crossworx Instragram)IMG 9859

That is the CEO of Crossworx personal bike, so chances are he has some buddies at Schwalbe and may get the tires for testing.

And also, schwalbe sponsored rider Raphaela Richter's partner is the guy who welds those frames, and I believe she works there at crossworx every now and then - So might be a connection there too.

So I still dont think they are very available for us "regular" people

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12/20/2025 3:32pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2025 3:32pm

What is it with German online retailers and accidently publishing stuff early?
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12/20/2025 4:14pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2025 4:17pm
Outlawed wrote:
What is it with German online retailers and accidently publishing stuff early?

What is it with German online retailers and accidently publishing stuff early?
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Short travel, no high pivot incoming 


IMG 7650

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12/20/2025 4:58pm

It will be super cool to see what Forbidden comes out with, given their high pivot history and pedigree. If this is indeed true, I'm going to start saving money now. 

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12/20/2025 5:11pm

Or the Germans got their signals crossed and were trying to sell heels. 

Would be a bummer if this turned into a copyright problem for forbidden (bikes)

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12/20/2025 7:46pm
ahleic09 wrote:
Or the Germans got their signals crossed and were trying to sell heels. Would be a bummer if this turned into a copyright problem for forbidden (bikes)

Or the Germans got their signals crossed and were trying to sell heels. 

Would be a bummer if this turned into a copyright problem for forbidden (bikes)

IMG 7651

Warning! AI Slop

Forbidden testing out their new high-heel suspension platform:

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12/20/2025 9:38pm

It seems that Ai is confused again..

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12/20/2025 10:16pm
Outlawed wrote:
What is it with German online retailers and accidently publishing stuff early?

What is it with German online retailers and accidently publishing stuff early?
May be an image of text that says 'Navigation 10:01 Skgn 8 A LTE 89 FORBIDDEN Reya Grey Chapter S3 T3 PESSNATL Ausstattung T2 T3 Farbe Golden Brown Chapter Größe S1 S2 S3 S4 Artikelnummer: artikelnummer:FBD-REYA-GC-S3-T3 FBD-REYA-GC-S3-T Marke: FORBIDDEN Diese Nebsite erwendet Cookies, ine bestmügliche Erfahrunghietenzukän kannen. MehrInformationen... Nur technisch notwendige Konfigurieren Alle Cookies AlleCookiesakzeptieren akzeptieren mrc-trading.de'

ahleic09 wrote:
Short travel, no high pivot incoming 

Short travel, no high pivot incoming 


IMG 7650

That website post is from 2024, so not sure if it is related to the Reya

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12/20/2025 10:39pm
Outlawed wrote:
What is it with German online retailers and accidently publishing stuff early?

What is it with German online retailers and accidently publishing stuff early?
May be an image of text that says 'Navigation 10:01 Skgn 8 A LTE 89 FORBIDDEN Reya Grey Chapter S3 T3 PESSNATL Ausstattung T2 T3 Farbe Golden Brown Chapter Größe S1 S2 S3 S4 Artikelnummer: artikelnummer:FBD-REYA-GC-S3-T3 FBD-REYA-GC-S3-T Marke: FORBIDDEN Diese Nebsite erwendet Cookies, ine bestmügliche Erfahrunghietenzukän kannen. MehrInformationen... Nur technisch notwendige Konfigurieren Alle Cookies AlleCookiesakzeptieren akzeptieren mrc-trading.de'

Well... It's still not fully understood, just like magnets.

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12/21/2025 4:47am
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Warning! AI SlopForbidden testing out their new high-heel suspension platform:

Warning! AI Slop

Forbidden testing out their new high-heel suspension platform:

Untitled 1

GPUs now cost five morbillion dollars because of people who rub their belly while laughing to shit like this

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12/21/2025 5:52am
Kapolczer wrote:
I think we have known these were coming for awhile but this is the first time I’ve seen the Tacky Chan radials on something other than...

I think we have known these were coming for awhile but this is the first time I’ve seen the Tacky Chan radials on something other than a race bike. (Post from Crossworx Instragram)IMG 9859

I have actually touched a Tacky Chan radial. They're real, and I'm excited

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12/21/2025 8:33am
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GPUs now cost five morbillion dollars because of people who rub their belly while laughing to shit like this

Also RAM prices. Insane. 

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12/21/2025 2:26pm
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Or the Germans got their signals crossed and were trying to sell heels. Would be a bummer if this turned into a copyright problem for forbidden (bikes)

Or the Germans got their signals crossed and were trying to sell heels. 

Would be a bummer if this turned into a copyright problem for forbidden (bikes)

IMG 7651
Scontoni wrote:
Warning! AI SlopForbidden testing out their new high-heel suspension platform:

Warning! AI Slop

Forbidden testing out their new high-heel suspension platform:

Untitled 1

Screw the shoes, I'm more interested in those cranks. 

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12/22/2025 1:15am

Thought this would have trickled over from team rumours already but I guess not.

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12/22/2025 1:37am

It's already been covered actually. A while ago in fact.

It's a 4-bar modification to the Dissent using the original front triangle.

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12/22/2025 6:07am
peecee wrote:
Thought this would have trickled over from team rumours already but I guess not.

Thought this would have trickled over from team rumours already but I guess not.

Screenshot 2025-12-22 at 7.14.12%E2%80%AFPM.jpg?VersionId=yBIr

Anyone with a CNC could make one of these out of a dissent and a vitus sommet if they really wanted to

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12/22/2025 6:19am
peecee wrote:
Thought this would have trickled over from team rumours already but I guess not.

Thought this would have trickled over from team rumours already but I guess not.

Screenshot 2025-12-22 at 7.14.12%E2%80%AFPM.jpg?VersionId=yBIr

Anyone with a CNC could make one of these out of a dissent and a vitus sommet if they really wanted to

Anyone with a CNC could make a Gamux Sego too if they REALLY wanted to

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12/22/2025 5:31pm
TheFBI wrote:

Anyone with a CNC could make a Gamux Sego too if they REALLY wanted to

Touché

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12/23/2025 4:15am
peecee wrote:
Thought this would have trickled over from team rumours already but I guess not.

Thought this would have trickled over from team rumours already but I guess not.

Screenshot 2025-12-22 at 7.14.12%E2%80%AFPM.jpg?VersionId=yBIr

Maybe there's a better thread but

 

Assuming they kept the leverage curve mostly the same, wouldn't it be easier to just add a floating brake arm

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12/23/2025 6:08am

I'd say that the assumption of keeping the leverage curve mostly the same is the issue here - I'd say the reason to go this way is precisely optimising the leverage curve.

I'm not that intune with how the leverage curve is affected by different pivot positions, but time and time again we've seen multi-link bikes driving the shock from the lower link - Specialized with the original Demo and the two current tube and lug prototypes, Santa Cruz moving the whole lineup to be lower link driven when the majority of pedaled bikes previously were driving the shock from the upper link.

Granted, the way Dissent has the two pivots positioned, it's likely this was the easiest way to drive the shock with a horst link, but still, I'd say there's something in there connected to the leverage curve.

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12/23/2025 7:10am
Primoz wrote:
I'd say that the assumption of keeping the leverage curve mostly the same is the issue here - I'd say the reason to go this way...

I'd say that the assumption of keeping the leverage curve mostly the same is the issue here - I'd say the reason to go this way is precisely optimising the leverage curve.

I'm not that intune with how the leverage curve is affected by different pivot positions, but time and time again we've seen multi-link bikes driving the shock from the lower link - Specialized with the original Demo and the two current tube and lug prototypes, Santa Cruz moving the whole lineup to be lower link driven when the majority of pedaled bikes previously were driving the shock from the upper link.

Granted, the way Dissent has the two pivots positioned, it's likely this was the easiest way to drive the shock with a horst link, but still, I'd say there's something in there connected to the leverage curve.

Checking back on the existing Dissent, the linkage that drives the shock is essentially the same (vertical link, chain-stay & link connecting the two) I'm guessing that the leverage curve is about the same as before. As opposed to a floating brake arm, the crab link lets you change the axle path so you can optimize both the anti-rise and anti-squat (though in this setup you can't optimize them independently).

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12/23/2025 1:14pm

Surprised there is no press coverage of the fact that Atherton is making an e-bike. Not even a rumor, they announced it. 

I honestly thought they would never go electric

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12/23/2025 1:26pm
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Surprised there is no press coverage of the fact that Atherton is making an e-bike. Not even a rumor, they announced it. I honestly thought they would...

Surprised there is no press coverage of the fact that Atherton is making an e-bike. Not even a rumor, they announced it. 

I honestly thought they would never go electric

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12/23/2025 6:05pm
Primoz wrote:
I'd say that the assumption of keeping the leverage curve mostly the same is the issue here - I'd say the reason to go this way...

I'd say that the assumption of keeping the leverage curve mostly the same is the issue here - I'd say the reason to go this way is precisely optimising the leverage curve.

I'm not that intune with how the leverage curve is affected by different pivot positions, but time and time again we've seen multi-link bikes driving the shock from the lower link - Specialized with the original Demo and the two current tube and lug prototypes, Santa Cruz moving the whole lineup to be lower link driven when the majority of pedaled bikes previously were driving the shock from the upper link.

Granted, the way Dissent has the two pivots positioned, it's likely this was the easiest way to drive the shock with a horst link, but still, I'd say there's something in there connected to the leverage curve.

Wasn’t the V10 driving the shock from the lower link way back?

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12/23/2025 6:56pm
bermed wrote:
Surprised there is no press coverage of the fact that Atherton is making an e-bike. Not even a rumor, they announced it. I honestly thought they would...

Surprised there is no press coverage of the fact that Atherton is making an e-bike. Not even a rumor, they announced it. 

I honestly thought they would never go electric

so you want them to go out of business?

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12/23/2025 8:23pm
bermed wrote:
Surprised there is no press coverage of the fact that Atherton is making an e-bike. Not even a rumor, they announced it. I honestly thought they would...

Surprised there is no press coverage of the fact that Atherton is making an e-bike. Not even a rumor, they announced it. 

I honestly thought they would never go electric

In the announcement video they say it's something they've wanted to do since day one. 

I'm curious to see how they integrate the battery into their existing design style. I could see them doing something similar to the Cotic ebike, where the normal bike tubes are also used on the ebike, but with an external battery. Will have to wait til Jan to find out I guess. 

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12/23/2025 9:54pm Edited Date/Time 12/23/2025 9:57pm
63expert wrote:

Wasn’t the V10 driving the shock from the lower link way back?

V10 always had the lower link drive the shock all the way from the first gen in 2002. But first lower link driving the shock trail/enduro bike was the Nomad 4 in 2017.

Edit: nvm I forgot the Driver 8 existed.

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