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Evil96
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10/28/2025 1:27am
boozed wrote:
Here's something new: major brand aluminium bikes for five figures.Edit because the Trek website is increasingly confusing to navigate:

Here's something new: major brand aluminium bikes for five figures.

Edit because the Trek website is increasingly confusing to navigate:

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MauiMax wrote:
The trek fuel? Carbon, and thats a link the the australian site. So australian dollars. Looks to me like alloy is about 3000 usd and carbon...

The trek fuel? Carbon, and thats a link the the australian site. So australian dollars. Looks to me like alloy is about 3000 usd and carbon goes up to about 8700 usd. With the conversion to aud still expensive but not crazy compared to like a specialized

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-…

Johnboy wrote:
Nope alloy Fuel LX 9.As per the US Trek page $5199.99And comparing straight conversion for the AU/NZ is laughable and quite amusing.  So thats a mark up...

Nope alloy Fuel LX 9.

As per the US Trek page $5199.99

And comparing straight conversion for the AU/NZ is laughable and quite amusing. 

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So thats a mark up of $2361.51 AUD

 

Prices in the Au/NZ site include taxes, which they don’t in the US isn’t it?

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10/28/2025 1:29am Edited Date/Time 10/28/2025 1:31am

My experience with linkage forks is feeling the wheel sweep left to right or right to left if the wheel is turned. If the travel sweeps through an arc with changing offset through the stroke, then as soon as the wheel is turned the axle is no longer moving parallel to the centre-plane of the bike. It can be really noticeable in tight tech.

This would give tunable anti-dive without the fuckery of a linkage-driven axle path, and I like that. But I might be an outlier because I really love tight, steep, slow tech that's always threatening to put you out the front door.

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MauiMax wrote:
The trek fuel? Carbon, and thats a link the the australian site. So australian dollars. Looks to me like alloy is about 3000 usd and carbon...

The trek fuel? Carbon, and thats a link the the australian site. So australian dollars. Looks to me like alloy is about 3000 usd and carbon goes up to about 8700 usd. With the conversion to aud still expensive but not crazy compared to like a specialized

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-…

Johnboy wrote:
Nope alloy Fuel LX 9.As per the US Trek page $5199.99And comparing straight conversion for the AU/NZ is laughable and quite amusing.  So thats a mark up...

Nope alloy Fuel LX 9.

As per the US Trek page $5199.99

And comparing straight conversion for the AU/NZ is laughable and quite amusing. 

10000296291000029630.png?VersionId=odNa2Z4u

 

So thats a mark up of $2361.51 AUD

 

Evil96 wrote:

Prices in the Au/NZ site include taxes, which they don’t in the US isn’t it?

Possibly. But 10% GST in Australia so, the math still isn't mathing

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This seems like something that will give you all the downsides of both linkage and telescopic forks in exchange for some anti dive. But telescopic forks...

This seems like something that will give you all the downsides of both linkage and telescopic forks in exchange for some anti dive. But telescopic forks are getting pretty good at mid stroke anyway 

Here in New England that’s going to catch all the sticks and loose rocks if you do any of the old school tech trails. 

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10/28/2025 5:53am
MTBrent wrote:

as an engineer I appreciate the continual iterative design iteration and innovation.  as an internet cynic I wonder how long until he releases an actual rube goldberg device

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10/28/2025 7:57am Edited Date/Time 10/28/2025 7:58am

That's also just about the current USD to AUD exchange rate

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Currency Exchange Rumors and Innovation

 

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10/28/2025 11:31am

Not knowing exactly how things work in Australia, but maybe there's a bit more than just a straight exchange rate...

10/28/2025 1:01pm

Cornelius from Intend “confirmed“ that they are going to release the dropperpost called elevator in the video if the new monocoque hover shock. Right at the end…

Can’t be long for the official release IMG 1523

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DorianKane wrote:
Cornelius from Intend “confirmed“ that they are going to release the dropperpost called elevator in the video if the new monocoque hover shock. Right at the...

Cornelius from Intend “confirmed“ that they are going to release the dropperpost called elevator in the video if the new monocoque hover shock. Right at the end…

Can’t be long for the official release IMG 1523

What are we speculating he will do differently with this new dropper?

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10/28/2025 1:25pm

Not knowing exactly how things work in Australia, but maybe there's a bit more than just a straight exchange rate...

Yes there is. 

 

It's called the "getting fingered tax" 

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10/28/2025 1:50pm

Pinkbike posted an article about that floating front brake setup. It mentioned it was seen at Vital first. Maybe the first time they’ve acknowledged that??

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Currency Exchange Rumors and Innovation

 

Yeah sorry I brought it up

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10/28/2025 2:25pm
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Pinkbike posted an article about that floating front brake setup. It mentioned it was seen at Vital first. Maybe the first time they’ve acknowledged that??

And a direct link here too. I really hope DoubleCrownAddict doesn't see it.

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DorianKane wrote:
Cornelius from Intend “confirmed“ that they are going to release the dropperpost called elevator in the video if the new monocoque hover shock. Right at the...

Cornelius from Intend “confirmed“ that they are going to release the dropperpost called elevator in the video if the new monocoque hover shock. Right at the end…

Can’t be long for the official release IMG 1523

What are we speculating he will do differently with this new dropper?

Hopefully, something novel like going down without needing rider weight. If it is just another post, it will be disappointing. 

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10/28/2025 4:24pm
DorianKane wrote:
Cornelius from Intend “confirmed“ that they are going to release the dropperpost called elevator in the video if the new monocoque hover shock. Right at the...

Cornelius from Intend “confirmed“ that they are going to release the dropperpost called elevator in the video if the new monocoque hover shock. Right at the end…

Can’t be long for the official release IMG 1523

What are we speculating he will do differently with this new dropper?

TomJones wrote:

Hopefully, something novel like going down without needing rider weight. If it is just another post, it will be disappointing. 

0 play weather extended or retracted, light, compact, easy to FULLY service would be great to see and if reasonably priced I’d probably consider it over the latest One Up perhaps

To match the fork 

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Milyard racing or Hover shock. What would win?

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10/28/2025 6:59pm

We will see about the dropper post but their prototype dropper lever had a really cool design and how it integrated the cable tension adjustment. p5pb28091166.jpg?VersionId=RHgUSB72wTT4Yrb4

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What are we speculating he will do differently with this new dropper?

TomJones wrote:

Hopefully, something novel like going down without needing rider weight. If it is just another post, it will be disappointing. 

Evil96 wrote:
0 play weather extended or retracted, light, compact, easy to FULLY service would be great to see and if reasonably priced I’d probably consider it over...

0 play weather extended or retracted, light, compact, easy to FULLY service would be great to see and if reasonably priced I’d probably consider it over the latest One Up perhaps

To match the fork 

Reasonably priced… it’s Intend. Love their stuff, but none of it was reasonably priced so far. Even if the price is justified through production volume/company size etc. 

However, I am curious, too, what Cornelius came up with…

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On the other hand, compared to large players, it's not really unreasonably priced. It's not much more expensive than what Fox charges for their top of the line products in many cases. But it is a lot more niche. 

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10/29/2025 5:34am

And a direct link here too. I really hope DoubleCrownAddict doesn't see it.

Even if he does see it, he's been suspended alongside SaucyCheese so he can't say much of anything.

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10/29/2025 10:01am Edited Date/Time 10/30/2025 11:33am
Primoz wrote:
On the other hand, compared to large players, it's not really unreasonably priced. It's not much more expensive than what Fox charges for their top of...

On the other hand, compared to large players, it's not really unreasonably priced. It's not much more expensive than what Fox charges for their top of the line products in many cases. But it is a lot more niche. 

I think that Cornelius has completely outclassed Fox in the Upsidedown fork space. Options, quality, weight, price, reliability, performance, etc. Intend wins on every aspect.

What the Podium did for me, is make me really interested in the Intend...

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TomJones wrote:

Hopefully, something novel like going down without needing rider weight. If it is just another post, it will be disappointing. 

Evil96 wrote:
0 play weather extended or retracted, light, compact, easy to FULLY service would be great to see and if reasonably priced I’d probably consider it over...

0 play weather extended or retracted, light, compact, easy to FULLY service would be great to see and if reasonably priced I’d probably consider it over the latest One Up perhaps

To match the fork 

ioni wrote:
Reasonably priced… it’s Intend. Love their stuff, but none of it was reasonably priced so far. Even if the price is justified through production volume/company size...

Reasonably priced… it’s Intend. Love their stuff, but none of it was reasonably priced so far. Even if the price is justified through production volume/company size etc. 

However, I am curious, too, what Cornelius came up with…

I mean, everything seems reasonably priced to me

Context is important

Cranks are beautifully machined and 280€

A set of gx cranks around 100€ online, mass produced vs machined and hard anodized in Germany by a SMALL company, 

The shock is 1100, comes custom tuned, a Fox X2 blows and retails around the 800€

Same goes with the forks

1650€ for a flash with perfect bushings and all and it’s almost the same for a fox 38 x2, again mass produced in Asia vs something from a tiny company in Germany.

Not cheap, but for what it is I’d say reasonably priced 

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genuine question, how hard is it to get support for intend n NA? either full service or parts for DIY? It always scared me off of niche Euro based product. I've been more likely to consider Push, simply because they are this side of the ocean. 

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Evil96 wrote:
0 play weather extended or retracted, light, compact, easy to FULLY service would be great to see and if reasonably priced I’d probably consider it over...

0 play weather extended or retracted, light, compact, easy to FULLY service would be great to see and if reasonably priced I’d probably consider it over the latest One Up perhaps

To match the fork 

ioni wrote:
Reasonably priced… it’s Intend. Love their stuff, but none of it was reasonably priced so far. Even if the price is justified through production volume/company size...

Reasonably priced… it’s Intend. Love their stuff, but none of it was reasonably priced so far. Even if the price is justified through production volume/company size etc. 

However, I am curious, too, what Cornelius came up with…

Evil96 wrote:
I mean, everything seems reasonably priced to meContext is importantCranks are beautifully machined and 280€A set of gx cranks around 100€ online, mass produced vs machined...

I mean, everything seems reasonably priced to me

Context is important

Cranks are beautifully machined and 280€

A set of gx cranks around 100€ online, mass produced vs machined and hard anodized in Germany by a SMALL company, 

The shock is 1100, comes custom tuned, a Fox X2 blows and retails around the 800€

Same goes with the forks

1650€ for a flash with perfect bushings and all and it’s almost the same for a fox 38 x2, again mass produced in Asia vs something from a tiny company in Germany.

Not cheap, but for what it is I’d say reasonably priced 

Actofive charges 400 eur for cranks that are heavier than GX cranks. And the two piece glued cranks are no longer available (I wonder if it was the price or delaminating that killed them).

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ioni wrote:
Reasonably priced… it’s Intend. Love their stuff, but none of it was reasonably priced so far. Even if the price is justified through production volume/company size...

Reasonably priced… it’s Intend. Love their stuff, but none of it was reasonably priced so far. Even if the price is justified through production volume/company size etc. 

However, I am curious, too, what Cornelius came up with…

Evil96 wrote:
I mean, everything seems reasonably priced to meContext is importantCranks are beautifully machined and 280€A set of gx cranks around 100€ online, mass produced vs machined...

I mean, everything seems reasonably priced to me

Context is important

Cranks are beautifully machined and 280€

A set of gx cranks around 100€ online, mass produced vs machined and hard anodized in Germany by a SMALL company, 

The shock is 1100, comes custom tuned, a Fox X2 blows and retails around the 800€

Same goes with the forks

1650€ for a flash with perfect bushings and all and it’s almost the same for a fox 38 x2, again mass produced in Asia vs something from a tiny company in Germany.

Not cheap, but for what it is I’d say reasonably priced 

Primoz wrote:
Actofive charges 400 eur for cranks that are heavier than GX cranks. And the two piece glued cranks are no longer available (I wonder if it...

Actofive charges 400 eur for cranks that are heavier than GX cranks. And the two piece glued cranks are no longer available (I wonder if it was the price or delaminating that killed them).

The price for those was very very high if I recall correctly 

So probably that, although the Garbaruk are similar construction and like half the price or so

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Actofive was 800 msrp. 

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MTBrent wrote:

Check out the Preston Petty No-Dive, from decades ago folks:

NO-DIVEImage 6NO-DIVE.jpg?VersionId=gYvcwQNO-DIVE-ROGER.jpg?VersionId=wNklUnVvHCtbq38ZippkLnI6BOOsD

There were quite a few variations of Torque Arm Anti Dive set ups tried in Motorcycling - predominantly Road Racing, plus, a some hydraulic set ups - a few of which reached production Motorcycle models. 

I've a couple of Preston's No-Dives, somewhere in my workshop, along with a few of his Fenders / Mudguards and his Headlights. 

All of the Anti Dive systems basically 'disappeared'.

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FWIW, modern F1 cars have quite a bit of anti-dive geometry in the front and anti-squat geometry in the rear, preventing the car from pitching back and forth during braking and accelerating to keep the aero platform (the underbody) as stable as possible and thus the downforce as consistent as possible.

The result of this is a lot less feedback to the driver (either way you cut it, any kind of movement or lean is a feedback on what the vehicle is doing) and some teams had and have a lot of problems with their drivers not being confident int he car and sometimes locking up the fronts very easily. Could some of this also apply to anti-dive setups for motorbikes and bicycles? So besides bringing some good stuff also bringing with them negatives?

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