I believe the Wp cone valve is for impacts/compression blow off. Not rebound changes. but either way I think almost all the moto guys (KTM) were like ahh, NO. Unsure what it's gonna do on large impacts.
I believe the Wp cone valve is for impacts/compression blow off. Not rebound changes. but either way I think almost all the moto guys (KTM) were...
I believe the Wp cone valve is for impacts/compression blow off. Not rebound changes. but either way I think almost all the moto guys (KTM) were like ahh, NO. Unsure what it's gonna do on large impacts.
I think the Cone Valve forks are pretty ubiquitous and popular in the moto scene. The one that they're iffy about is the TRAX rear shock, if I'm not mistaken.
I feel obliged to point out that pinkbike has an article about SRAM patenting an air based high speed rebound damper.... I've always been skeptical due...
I feel obliged to point out that pinkbike has an article about SRAM patenting an air based high speed rebound damper.... I've always been skeptical due to how much air A) compresses and b) heats up but interested to hear more informed opinions...
Didn't Noleen have some sort of air damper back in the K2 days? About the amount of time ago a patent might expire? I may be...
Didn't Noleen have some sort of air damper back in the K2 days? About the amount of time ago a patent might expire? I may be completely wrong on that as my understanding of suspension at that time was pretty limited.
i don't recall an air damper, but that was around the time i just started getting into mtb. i do remember reading about their smart shock, which IIRC was some kind of electronic controlled damping.
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone oil cartridge with a failure prone all air setup. MRP owns the IP now I believe.
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone...
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone oil cartridge with a failure prone all air setup. MRP owns the IP now I believe.
Yes, this reminds me of looking at adds in the back of mountain bike action in 1999 beside a picture of a discount GT lobo.
I don't how it works, if its similar to what others said above or what, but I'd assume it works good since every Runt upper I've added has been a nice addition to the forks I've had in past (36, Pike).
I don't how it works, if its similar to what others said above or what, but I'd assume it works good since every Runt upper I've added has been a nice addition to the forks I've had in past (36, Pike).
Dammit! I have a model of a similar get up ready to go once our lathe is rebuilt! Glad to see another idea I had a year plus ago makes it to market!
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone...
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone oil cartridge with a failure prone all air setup. MRP owns the IP now I believe.
Total Air was a brand in our portfolio – those were made here in our facility. Eko Sport / Mountain Racing Products is our legal name, and we own and produce MRP, Kreitler Rollers, and Power Grips pedals. We also had/used the White Brothers, Tamer (seatposts) and Total Air brands previously, but no longer produce products with those names. We brought all of our suspension line under the MRP brand name in 2013 (discontinued White Brothers). I'm not sure when Total Air ended, but it was before I came on board (2010). 👍
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone...
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone oil cartridge with a failure prone all air setup. MRP owns the IP now I believe.
Woof.
I put a set of those in my Manitou 2 in, '95 maybe? While better than the elastomers that came stock I realized how bad they were when I put a Marzocchi Bomber Z2 on my bike!
Not sure if they have been posted here and maybe not tech rumors since the renderings are on their site since a while but does anyone has any information about them to share or refer me to another forum/site?
Not sure if they have been posted here and maybe not tech rumors since the renderings are on their site since a while but does anyone...
Not sure if they have been posted here and maybe not tech rumors since the renderings are on their site since a while but does anyone has any information about them to share or refer me to another forum/site?
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone...
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone oil cartridge with a failure prone all air setup. MRP owns the IP now I believe.
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone...
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone oil cartridge with a failure prone all air setup. MRP owns the IP now I believe.
So how long before someone has to give us old guys instructions on how to start a senior citizen thread?🤣
Well I think the idea is that we would retire the tech and innovations forum after 1000. You old guys can walk these green-ish pastures and comment how you remember when tubeless came out. Or how crazy the idea of 27.5 was when it was released. You retire, your home retires with you
Us young bucks can start a new forum. So yall can sleep well. /s
Well I think the idea is that we would retire the tech and innovations forum after 1000. You old guys can walk these green-ish pastures and...
Well I think the idea is that we would retire the tech and innovations forum after 1000. You old guys can walk these green-ish pastures and comment how you remember when tubeless came out. Or how crazy the idea of 27.5 was when it was released. You retire, your home retires with you
Us young bucks can start a new forum. So yall can sleep well. /s
(Im never leaving)
One thing you won't hear me go on about is how much better things were "back in the day"... Simpler, yes.. But, better? You're gonna have a hard time selling me on that. Maybe somethings have hit a bit of overkill involving electronics.. Yes, it's cool if you want it, but there are some great mechanical drivetrains now.. Suspension designs that actually work.. I guess that even though I'm in the 50+ club, I'm still a bike geek and I've been lucky enough to see some much of the MTB time line and ride a good number of them.. Can't wait to see what's next...
Not sure if they have been posted here and maybe not tech rumors since the renderings are on their site since a while but does anyone...
Not sure if they have been posted here and maybe not tech rumors since the renderings are on their site since a while but does anyone has any information about them to share or refer me to another forum/site?
Surprised as well. Think it’s going to be a slow year on new tech. This could be the year we start to see impacts of industry cuts on budget and new projects
I believe the Wp cone valve is for impacts/compression blow off. Not rebound changes. but either way I think almost all the moto guys (KTM) were like ahh, NO. Unsure what it's gonna do on large impacts.
I think the Cone Valve forks are pretty ubiquitous and popular in the moto scene. The one that they're iffy about is the TRAX rear shock, if I'm not mistaken.
The wiffer is only in the air spring. Cone valves are in the damper. Maybe chasing the same performance or ride feel.
Yes very similar to ramp control, but used for fairly different reasons
As a heavier rider who also runs high air pressure and low damping I certainly hope to see the wiffer make it into production!
i don't recall an air damper, but that was around the time i just started getting into mtb. i do remember reading about their smart shock, which IIRC was some kind of electronic controlled damping.
Stratos was making air dampers back in the day, I had the helix shock and thought it was great, but this was the late 90's so who knows.
https://products.mtbr.com/product/suspension/rear-shock/stratos/helix-p…
RE: air only - Total Air Cartridges were a thing for Judy's and the like BITD. Air spring/damper combo to replace the elastomers and failure prone oil cartridge with a failure prone all air setup. MRP owns the IP now I believe.
Yes, this reminds me of looking at adds in the back of mountain bike action in 1999 beside a picture of a discount GT lobo.
*takes back pills
Oh, how I miss the ole MBA days! Nothing was better than nudie magazine day! I mean new magazine day…
Since we are all on the suspension side, Diaz just released a "lower runt"
https://diazsuspensiondesign.com/the-lower-runt
I don't how it works, if its similar to what others said above or what, but I'd assume it works good since every Runt upper I've added has been a nice addition to the forks I've had in past (36, Pike).
Dammit! I have a model of a similar get up ready to go once our lathe is rebuilt! Glad to see another idea I had a year plus ago makes it to market!
2nd gen Halson Inversion had pneumatic damping as well
Total Air was a brand in our portfolio – those were made here in our facility. Eko Sport / Mountain Racing Products is our legal name, and we own and produce MRP, Kreitler Rollers, and Power Grips pedals. We also had/used the White Brothers, Tamer (seatposts) and Total Air brands previously, but no longer produce products with those names. We brought all of our suspension line under the MRP brand name in 2013 (discontinued White Brothers). I'm not sure when Total Air ended, but it was before I came on board (2010). 👍
Woof.
I put a set of those in my Manitou 2 in, '95 maybe? While better than the elastomers that came stock I realized how bad they were when I put a Marzocchi Bomber Z2 on my bike!
You old…
Oh wait. So am I!!😂😜
Also in the old club...
Personally, I'm still in the "In denial" club! 😂
Not sure if they have been posted here and maybe not tech rumors since the renderings are on their site since a while but does anyone has any information about them to share or refer me to another forum/site?
How about the two Tylenol, two Advils and two robaxin (all extra strength) club!
This may help soothe the pain
https://www.instagram.com/retro_downhill_mtb?igsh=cmZsOHA0cXhrMWlw
So how long before someone has to give us old guys instructions on how to start a senior citizen thread?🤣
I'd subscribe for the tech/racing history lessons.
Yelling at clouds tech thread. In!! Ill just grab my cane
Well I think the idea is that we would retire the tech and innovations forum after 1000. You old guys can walk these green-ish pastures and comment how you remember when tubeless came out. Or how crazy the idea of 27.5 was when it was released. You retire, your home retires with you
Us young bucks can start a new forum. So yall can sleep well. /s
(Im never leaving)
One thing you won't hear me go on about is how much better things were "back in the day"... Simpler, yes.. But, better? You're gonna have a hard time selling me on that. Maybe somethings have hit a bit of overkill involving electronics.. Yes, it's cool if you want it, but there are some great mechanical drivetrains now.. Suspension designs that actually work.. I guess that even though I'm in the 50+ club, I'm still a bike geek and I've been lucky enough to see some much of the MTB time line and ride a good number of them.. Can't wait to see what's next...
Thanks, saw those as well. A bit biased imo
Was hoping for some new releases at the first ever Sea Otter Australia, but havent seen squat. Lame.
Surprised as well. Think it’s going to be a slow year on new tech. This could be the year we start to see impacts of industry cuts on budget and new projects