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bizutch
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8/27/2025 7:11pm
amaranth wrote:
TLDR - You're not qualifying for the world cup. Long version - Satisfy one of the conditions below1. Top 50 UCI ranked in elite 2. Be in one of...

TLDR - You're not qualifying for the world cup. 

Long version - 

Satisfy one of the conditions below

1. Top 50 UCI ranked in elite 

2. Be in one of the 20 Elite teams (top 15 + 5 season long wildcards)

3. Be in one of the 8 single round wildcard teams

4. Be on the USA federation entry list (capped at 3 riders)

5. Be top 5 at one of the Continental races and get a golden ticket. 

6. Be current National/Continental/World champion.

 

bizutch wrote:
I'm not racing chucklenuts.And you still gave me NO answers to my questions. Be on a team, be on a team, be top 50, 3 USAC...

I'm not racing chucklenuts.
And you still gave me NO answers to my questions. Be on a team, be on a team, be top 50, 3 USAC riders.
Continental?
National Champion is the ONLY race example you gave.  Anybody can copy & paste the USAC page.
I asked WHERE is the list of races you can race to qualify for a World Cup?

Can't be top 50 UCI if there isn't a list of UCI points providing races.
Can't race a "continental" if there is no list of Continental races.
Can't be a "Federation" racer if there is no list of races to go to that put you on the list
Teams can't "keep the points" if there is no list of races that give points

Crankworx races are "C3".  That's it...that's the only list of races & don't even know what "level" C3 is.
  

PisgahGnar wrote:

Why is it so impossible for you to demonstrate basic decency in a conversation? You find yourself banned from every single forum you join. 

Name one.

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8/27/2025 7:31pm
Clownshoe wrote:
Britannia Hardline would be epic. No shortage of gnar up there. Gee posted a video of him flying around in a heli in the S2S during...

Britannia Hardline would be epic. No shortage of gnar up there. Gee posted a video of him flying around in a heli in the S2S during Crankworx. I was trying to identify the mountains on the background to triangulate the zone…

That was a Conti tire media junket using Coast Range heli. I think they use that trail up on Rainbow or at least that’s where heli drops have been in the past.

https://www.coastrangeheliskiing.com/whistler-heli-biking


 

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bizutch
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8/27/2025 7:55pm
BGoldstone wrote:
Lol, wtf am i getting dragged into this for. But gives me a better idea of who went to the hassle to make a fake linkedin...

Lol, wtf am i getting dragged into this for. But gives me a better idea of who went to the hassle to make a fake linkedin a few months ago to sh** talk me there of all places.

As far as which US races get points, go to the UCI calendar on the uci website and filter down to the mtb races specific to the US (or any country you want). It'll tell you which class it is.  Last couple pages of the rule book UCI MTB Regulations will tell you how many points that event is worth. earlier in the same doc explains how else you can qualify.

Useful. Thank you!
What @BGoldstone helped me learn:
2 US races were on the UCI calendar. WIndrock  March & Rock Creek April
"Points" are awarded based on finish time, regardless of Junior or Elite, an odd twist on DH races having the "fastest time of the day" prize, but basically all Juniors & Elites go into a single points bucket of fastest to slowest.
UCI has THREE races in Philo, CA in Nov. under a "Triple Crown of Downhill" & contact is a trail builder w/ a one page website???
Also learned there are multiple categories of races to get points at and the "local" races get more points the longer the track time is.

So...path for a US racer to get to 2025 WhiteFace World Cup is :
A,  Petition USAC to be 1 of 3 US federation riders (have some results) 
B,  Land a "GUEST" spot on an existing World Cup team(maiximum of 2 World Cups for a Guest)!

The "40 Point" minimum threshold has been marked through. 

So, the plan for a US racer to get to WhiteFace next year would be:
1.  Circle every Continental race you can get to. Max dad's credit card.
2.  Stalk the UCI Calendar page for every single race that awards Class 1 Points, maybe get lucky at a Class 2 & scrounge a Class 3 if it's local
3.  Pull in a mega-star outside of the sport celebrity and/or UBER wealthy, outside the industry sponsor to get a WildCard invited team together
4.  Get onto a recognized Wild Card team & pray they're invited
5.  Get on a 10 man rostered World Cup team 
6   Stun the country by winning National Champs
7.  Petition USAC. Wear that lame spider man jersey.

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 World Cup DH course criteria

World Cup DH GuestsWorld Cup DH Wild Card

 

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8/27/2025 8:27pm
The Olympic park in PC isn’t owned by Vail. So that might be why. Not sure if there is enough vert though to pull off a...

The Olympic park in PC isn’t owned by Vail. So that might be why. Not sure if there is enough vert though to pull off a WC DH track but it would be cool to pull the whole thing together with XC not far away. 

Yeah. It’s not a ton of vert so wonder if they can really pull it off. 

With Whistler and everything else going on with Vail, they may very well changing their tune on summer revenue opportunities. 

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8/28/2025 7:14am
LePigPen wrote:
Jacko been hinting at that for a bit and... It sounds more so like 'in the works' as opposed to 'dream one day'. I forget exactly...

Jacko been hinting at that for a bit and... It sounds more so like 'in the works' as opposed to 'dream one day'. I forget exactly where I saw him talking about it. But he just had a big smile saying 'we have a zone in mind' and the way in which he didn't want to say more kinda implied... We're figuring stuff out/in the works. As opposed to just waffling about an idea he hasn't pitched/worked out yet. I'm almost scared at what they cook up if it's a local track to Jacko's standards lol

earleb wrote:
I can't really see Rec Sites and Trails giving a permit to build Hardline on Crown Land in the S2S. Maybe they could find a way...

I can't really see Rec Sites and Trails giving a permit to build Hardline on Crown Land in the S2S. Maybe they could find a way to build something in the AlpX heli tenure, but again that needs approval as it's not private land.

I'd say it's in the dreamers stage but happy to be proven wrong.

I was told they had a couple sites in mind. The Tassie trail builders were at crankworx and I believe (I haven't spoken to them yet)...

I was told they had a couple sites in mind. The Tassie trail builders were at crankworx and I believe (I haven't spoken to them yet) were shown around by red Bull for their thoughts. The Red Bull team were impressed at the Tassie course and safety standards and wanted their input on the BC course. 

The name they were told is Hardline BC

I mean, I won't say it will never happen, but knowing what I know about how long rec sites and trails takes to approve new trails on Crown land for active long term clubs here in BC (hint, its YEARS) and more specifically the Sea to Sky...I can't see this happening for 2026 if it isn't at an already established ski area/bike park.

8/28/2025 8:43am

Nathan Pontvianne is back from injury after missing 4 races. He went 3rd fastest in timed training. He's podiumed in 2 European races in the past month and won one of them. He's definitely a rider to keep an eye on.

Mr. 100, Troy Brosnan, led all riders with a blistering timed run more than 7 seconds faster than the next man. I'm not going to say he's a lock to win this weekend, but he's certainly making those $100 Fantasy buys look like they could be the deal of the century (pun intended).

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8/28/2025 10:17am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2025 10:18am
iceman2058 wrote:
Start lists for EDR World Champs:2025 UCI MTB Enduro World Championships Entry List - Elite Men2025 UCI MTB Enduro World Championships Entry List -...

Start lists for EDR World Champs:

2025 UCI MTB Enduro World Championships Entry List - Elite Men

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2025 UCI MTB Enduro World Championships Entry List - Elite Women

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2025 UCI MTB Enduro World Championships Entry List - Junior Men

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2025 UCI MTB Enduro World Championships Entry List - Junior Women

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lawn dart wrote:
Informal USDH Fantasy Team for World Championships:  Quarterback:  Aletha Ostgaard2 Wide Receivers:  Asa Vermette, Ryan Pinkerton2 Running Backs:  Aaron Gwin, Anna NewkirkCenter:  Richie RudeTight-ends:  Dakotah Norton...

Informal USDH Fantasy Team for World Championships:  

Quarterback:  Aletha Ostgaard

2 Wide Receivers:  Asa Vermette, Ryan Pinkerton

2 Running Backs:  Aaron Gwin, Anna Newkirk

Center:  Richie Rude

Tight-ends:  Dakotah Norton, Luca Shaw

Offensive Line:  Dylan Maples, Austin Dooley, Bode Burke, Abigail Hoagie

Punt Return: Lucas DeDora 

Place Kicker:  Chris Grice, Kailey Skelton

 

LePigPen wrote:
speaking of, is there a fantasy thread for it yet? i know the last thing people want is hearing my unhinged fantasy theories before the race...hell...

speaking of, is there a fantasy thread for it yet? i know the last thing people want is hearing my unhinged fantasy theories before the race...

hell i might get called out by that guy if that happens.

Well, you're 17th in the real fantasy league, you're obviously good at calling winners!  I just made my picks at the beginning of the season, Harriet Herndon being one I am a little bit surprised on....honestly not even sure if it was here on Vital or if I did Pinkbike!  I certainly haven't updated it.  Ha ha.

 

I just thought it might be interesting to assign American Riders, based on their likelihood to score, and some vague sense of how they might fit on an actual football team.  (offense-only, of course).

1296: oh, I cracked 1300!  Sweet!!

dwhere
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8/29/2025 6:16am

Anyone know the story on Richie Rude? Not racing but posting he’s out on a ride. Maybe trying to get ready for enduro world champs? Just surprising, as all the teams should be scrapping for points to ensure dh entry next year. 

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8/29/2025 9:02am
dwhere wrote:
Anyone know the story on Richie Rude? Not racing but posting he’s out on a ride. Maybe trying to get ready for enduro world champs? Just...

Anyone know the story on Richie Rude? Not racing but posting he’s out on a ride. Maybe trying to get ready for enduro world champs? Just surprising, as all the teams should be scrapping for points to ensure dh entry next year. 

Yeah, he's racing enduro World Champs

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8/29/2025 2:02pm
sspomer wrote:

Les Gets Fantasy is open. Troy Brosnan only $100 this week for his 100th race, so don't blow it and not pick him : )

https://www.vitalmtb.com/fantasy/2025/round-7-les-gets-france

I'm not a regular in this forum but do participate in the Fantasy League. I thought this was a mistake and I was getting a steal!

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8/29/2025 3:57pm
sspomer wrote:

Les Gets Fantasy is open. Troy Brosnan only $100 this week for his 100th race, so don't blow it and not pick him : )

https://www.vitalmtb.com/fantasy/2025/round-7-les-gets-france

GRM50 wrote:

I'm not a regular in this forum but do participate in the Fantasy League. I thought this was a mistake and I was getting a steal!

Like Oliver Zwar a few rounds ago.

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8/29/2025 3:59pm

So how many people's remaining budget figure ends with $900? 🤣

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8/29/2025 4:12pm

Any word (or guesses) about whether we get a Q2 replay for this race? I checked Max and didn't see it. Trying not to spoil the excitement for myself, so asking here. 

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8/29/2025 4:15pm
veefour wrote:

So how many people's remaining budget figure ends with $900? 🤣

Heck there aren't even riders under 10k now. I thought at the start of the season fresh juniors were sub-10k. I have a decent chunk left with nothing to do.

JVP we think Q2 highlights/replays are never done on XC weekends. Because they are simply happening at the same time. So... I'm not sure what the next race is that has DH but no XC. That would be the only time it occurs. Although I can't even trust that tbh.

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8/29/2025 5:21pm Edited Date/Time 8/29/2025 5:25pm
JVP wrote:
Any word (or guesses) about whether we get a Q2 replay for this race? I checked Max and didn't see it. Trying not to spoil the...

Any word (or guesses) about whether we get a Q2 replay for this race? I checked Max and didn't see it. Trying not to spoil the excitement for myself, so asking here. 

I sorta remember something to the effect that there isn't one on double-discipline (XC/DH) weekends...

Oops. What  @LePigPen said....

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9/2/2025 8:13am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2025 8:17am
dwhere wrote:
Anyone know the story on Richie Rude? Not racing but posting he’s out on a ride. Maybe trying to get ready for enduro world champs? Just...

Anyone know the story on Richie Rude? Not racing but posting he’s out on a ride. Maybe trying to get ready for enduro world champs? Just surprising, as all the teams should be scrapping for points to ensure dh entry next year. 

What is the rule? UCI points are from October to October?  
EDIT: Points are on a 52 week rolling total calendar. Points drop off a year after they are earned.

Or maybe Yeti is forming a super team next year with an outside the industry brand that will let them have a Factory Team & thus no need for rider points. After all I learned from that trip down the UCI rabbit hole, if you have a contract spot on a factory team, you won't need to hunt points for a year.  
 

 

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dwhere wrote:
Anyone know the story on Richie Rude? Not racing but posting he’s out on a ride. Maybe trying to get ready for enduro world champs? Just...

Anyone know the story on Richie Rude? Not racing but posting he’s out on a ride. Maybe trying to get ready for enduro world champs? Just surprising, as all the teams should be scrapping for points to ensure dh entry next year. 

Think he really wanted that rainbow jersey and he got it. I'm sure the Yeti team will be able to lock in a spot - no reason the UCI won't want Richie and Tyler racing in elite. 

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9/3/2025 9:23am

Oof. Didn't realize Danny broke some ribs during the break. And he did some rolling around on the ground at Les Gets, like everyone. Insane. Looks like pure suffering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw0fU_mLhOs 

(Also Bodi Kuhn torn thumb ligament, jeez)

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9/3/2025 12:57pm
LePigPen wrote:
Oof. Didn't realize Danny broke some ribs during the break. And he did some rolling around on the ground at Les Gets, like everyone. Insane. Looks...

Oof. Didn't realize Danny broke some ribs during the break. And he did some rolling around on the ground at Les Gets, like everyone. Insane. Looks like pure suffering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw0fU_mLhOs 

(Also Bodi Kuhn torn thumb ligament, jeez)

Bodi is not riding? I thought torn thumb ligament is generaly rideable you just need to tape and bandages and its rideable. I'm a weakling and could ride that way with a partial tear.

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9/3/2025 1:20pm
LePigPen wrote:
Oof. Didn't realize Danny broke some ribs during the break. And he did some rolling around on the ground at Les Gets, like everyone. Insane. Looks...

Oof. Didn't realize Danny broke some ribs during the break. And he did some rolling around on the ground at Les Gets, like everyone. Insane. Looks like pure suffering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw0fU_mLhOs 

(Also Bodi Kuhn torn thumb ligament, jeez)

norbar wrote:
Bodi is not riding? I thought torn thumb ligament is generaly rideable you just need to tape and bandages and its rideable. I'm a weakling and...

Bodi is not riding? I thought torn thumb ligament is generaly rideable you just need to tape and bandages and its rideable. I'm a weakling and could ride that way with a partial tear.

Go ride then. 

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9/4/2025 1:00pm
sspomer wrote:
there was a fair amount buzz at crankworx this year that there won't be another crankworx, and that red bull pulled out of joyride for 2026...

there was a fair amount buzz at crankworx this year that there won't be another crankworx, and that red bull pulled out of joyride for 2026. put the WC there instead? hoping it's not true. 

Mention about next year.

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9/4/2025 8:00pm
sspomer wrote:
there was a fair amount buzz at crankworx this year that there won't be another crankworx, and that red bull pulled out of joyride for 2026...

there was a fair amount buzz at crankworx this year that there won't be another crankworx, and that red bull pulled out of joyride for 2026. put the WC there instead? hoping it's not true. 

airwreck wrote:

Mention about next year.

Wow.  No Red Bull at Crankworx.  That would be big. 

I sure hope they continue to sponsor Rampage and Hardline.  Other than WC, those are the main things I watch every year.

I have to admit, though, that trad. slopestyle seems a bit stale compared to WC, Fest, Rampage, and Hardline.

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9/6/2025 5:07am Edited Date/Time 9/6/2025 9:33am

Some screenshots of some awful stuff notable accounts (or accounts impersonating them, but I think not)  were posting in the junior DH champs YouTube UCI live stream.

[ from @sspomer - i deleted screenshots b/c clearly fake/trolls/hacked accounts. thinking any of these were actually real proves society is doomed in the next decade. ]

 

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9/6/2025 5:21am
MrRight wrote:
Some screenshots of some awful stuff notable accounts (or accounts impersonating them, but I think not)  were posting in the junior DH champs YouTube UCI live...

Some screenshots of some awful stuff notable accounts (or accounts impersonating them, but I think not)  were posting in the junior DH champs YouTube UCI live stream.

[ from @sspomer - i deleted screenshots b/c clearly fake/trolls/hacked accounts. thinking any of these were actually real proves society is doomed in the next decade. ]

 

That was all fake. YouTube comments are usually best to just turn off...bunch of kids "having fun"... ugh.

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9/6/2025 6:22am

Yeah, if any of that was real, I have a bridge to sell you.

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9/6/2025 6:34am
MrRight wrote:
Some screenshots of some awful stuff notable accounts (or accounts impersonating them, but I think not)  were posting in the junior DH champs YouTube UCI live...

Some screenshots of some awful stuff notable accounts (or accounts impersonating them, but I think not)  were posting in the junior DH champs YouTube UCI live stream.

[ from @sspomer - i deleted screenshots b/c clearly fake/trolls/hacked accounts. thinking any of these were actually real proves society is doomed in the next decade. ]

 

That’s all fake and not worth re posting here. 

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i deleted screenshots.

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9/7/2025 8:23pm

I think Luca is learning the ways of Troy Brosnan. Shocked to see he is 4th overall. He is 4th overall... While his best finish so far is a 5th. That is a WILDLY consistent rider day in day out qualies to finals. In front of a LOT of dudes who have a cup win.

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