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gracey's norco has a new rear end. 1kg lighter than alloy
Should be interesting with the claimed 74%(?) increase in chain force, that is significant.
I feel the Shimano adjustable clutch system is currently the best option out there.
I'm a little surprised at the cost of the new Shimano drivetrain.
I would consider it to replace my XO1 AXS shifter and derailleur (and move that to another bike) that I've been running with an XT chain and cassette.
Almost $1,000 for shifter and derailleur is higher than I was expecting.
I'm never going to be able to buy this f*cking bike, am I?
Transmission derailleurs aren’t cheap either, xo is 800 and XX is 950.
Shimano pricing is on par with high end sram. It is also back compatible with existing chain and cassette. Transmission made it so you had to buy all new pieces when it was released.
maybe they got one step closer with a carbon stay ? looks like they are working in the right direction and slowly making improvements
I'll be interested to see how the XT pricing compares. We'll know soon enough and it's a more comparable kit to X0.
Do we know when XT will be announced?
When folx get accustomed to a certain doodad being on all of their other doodads, the absence of such can be a bit traumatizing.
Now THAT is some optimism!
but you can't really compare wireless xtr to transmission, it's more like eagle axs and that was also compatible with existing 12 speed. shimano is 6 years late if we're being honest.
XO is way beyond XT and closer to XTR , GX is more compareable to XT from my experience.
I think last time it took about a year?
Yeah, can't agree with that at all. I work on these things all the time and GX quality is wayyyy lower than XT in my experience. I'll add that the new Shimano stuff is totally comparable to Transmission, which is just the latest iteration of SRAM's wireless drivetrain. Curious why you think it isn't. Because it doesn't require a proprietary frame standard to attach the derailleur?
It'll be much, much sooner than that.
UDH isn’t proprietary. SRAM doesn’t charge bike manufacturers to use it.
Personally I think the UDH is a good thing AND I think the SRAM direct mount derailleur is a bad idea.
I've been told there definitely aren't going to be announcements about wireless XT and Deore next few weeks to month or so.
If you are going to compare apples to apples then it would be mechanical systems. There is no way a GX mechanical system is anywhere close to the quality of XT.
GX AXS derailleur is garbage, no clutch, poor durability, clunk and loud.
XO transmission for the past two years of using has been problematic.
Instead of having influencers standing derailleurs for marketing value shimano had riders hit derailleurs off rocks. More real world scenarios. When I did this with XO transmission the p-knuckle spring bent. Replacement of pknuckle and cage was $230 with an XX unit being the only one I could find at the time. X0 replacement not available and had a 3 month lead time.
This GX AXS RD has no clutch? GX Eagle AXS Derailleur | RD-GX-1E-A1 | SRAM
Doesn’t sram have the same overload protection, in case you hit something it recoils in then shifts back?
I know GX AXS has it, and it works well in my experience.
thanks push for the hope in a new lineup
I'm at Leogang this weekend and wanted to get a sense of how widely pedal kickback devices have been adopted by World Cuppers, along with all the other wild accessories like TMD's/shakeweights, electronics, gearboxes, and more. So out of curiosity and as a service to my fellow nerds, I stood at the top of Q1 today and counted all the devices I could. Note that certain devices were almost certainly undercounted, like shakeweights, added mass, and fancy chainring devices like Ochain or Rimpact (drivetrains were facing away from me in the starting lineup). There were 20 bikes total where I didn’t get a look at their chainring at all
More shakeweights than I expected
Pretty significant spread of pedal kickback devices. At least 39 of the 116 bikes I observed had some sort of visible pedal kickback device, like Ochain, Rimpact, or the Sidekick hub, and many of those bikes also had STFU.
I only saw one person with a front and rear shakeweight.
Pros really don't like it when you look at their bike and then write down notes on a yellow legal pad.
nah, that's the tally of how many people told you to STFU Robot lol
Good work, thats actually interesting.
The reporting we need.
Real interesting seeing how XTR has been deployed to WCDH riders. Hemstreet, one of the top female riders, on old news. Goldstone on newest bling.
Makes me think that DH really isn't the brand's focus and a Saint update will probably be awhile. I feel like if they wanted us to believe that Saint was being phased out they'd push XTR hard as the "do it all" groupset. Is it possible that their wanting to use XTR in WCDH as more of testbed for Saint improvements?
Doing the work!
So interesting, thanks for the data.
I was convinced to try Ochain after your awesome review of it, and it improves my ride quality, so I can see why the pros won't some of the special sauce, anything that helps.
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?
Forever ago DT had a handlebar lever that pulled the two ratcheting rings apart, disengaging the hub. Troy was running it on his sender iirc
A few racers are using this one:
https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/zero-drag-dt-swiss-internals