Saw this earlier today, didnt think much of it - Thought it was just a Fox transfer kashima dropper where colors might have been altered or...
Saw this earlier today, didnt think much of it - Thought it was just a Fox transfer kashima dropper where colors might have been altered or some filter.
But after looking at some comments, and digging around a bit more it does indeed seem like its something new from Intend BC, matching the rest of the components on her bike.
So possibly getting a new Intend dropper in the future.
Another pic of her bike, and Cornelius Cduro bike, both running the dropper, as well as prototype trail brake from intend. Hopefully something they'll release soon. Will probably be as difficult to get as the trinitys though. Cornelius bike also sports the prototype carbon fork.
I would like to know why that Intend fork is no longer compatible with a direct mount stem. The early 2000s look with normal stem is 🤮
The real question is “why do bike companies spec such short dropper posts on their bikes?”Give the people all the drop that’s possible. Any bike that...
The real question is “why do bike companies spec such short dropper posts on their bikes?”
Give the people all the drop that’s possible. Any bike that comes with less than 210mm drop needs to be upgraded. Obviously, if it’s a light weight XC bike, it may not be necessary. But once a bike hits the trail or all mountain category it should come with lots of dropper travel.
"why do bike companies spec such short dropper posts on their bikes?”Brands have to spec a post that functions when fully inserted, or else folks will...
"why do bike companies spec such short dropper posts on their bikes?”
Brands have to spec a post that functions when fully inserted, or else folks will fully insert it, have it not work, and complain. Maybe attempt to sue them when it comes up while riding, and they get hurt. Thank your local Lawyers.
So they have to spec to the smallest rider, not the tallest.
Also, websites like this tend to be an echo chamber populated by a minority. The vast majority of people don’t care.I’m 6’3” and honestly, if the...
Also, websites like this tend to be an echo chamber populated by a minority. The vast majority of people don’t care.
I’m 6’3” and honestly, if the post is 170mm+ I don’t even think twice about it.
Well I think being 6 3 also may mean you don’t have to care as much. Now personally I don’t need much drop either as I’m accustomed to spinning with my seat lower than it probably should be. In the rare moment I’m actually trying uphill I’m probably going to stand anyways.
But a seat being low enough is a massive deal for me. Long reach and low stand over is essential for how I want to ride a bike. And I want that low seat with at least enough drop I can somewhat pedal. And I’m sure plenty of people want that low seat with a very high and efficient pedaling position. Which means you need a lot of dropper in a very small and low space in reference to the bb and rear tire.
I would like to know why that Intend fork is no longer compatible with a direct mount stem. The early 2000s look with normal stem is...
I would like to know why that Intend fork is no longer compatible with a direct mount stem. The early 2000s look with normal stem is 🤮
Because technically, its not a "downhill" fork. Its a 170-190mm adjustable enduro fork with a normal steerer tube and a regular boost axle, that just happens to be dual crowned. I am guessing it is probably possible to do though, by adding a few threaded holes, either by them, or yourself. But yeah, its a bit strange.
Because technically, its not a "downhill" fork. Its a 170-190mm adjustable enduro fork with a normal steerer tube and a regular boost axle, that just happens...
Because technically, its not a "downhill" fork. Its a 170-190mm adjustable enduro fork with a normal steerer tube and a regular boost axle, that just happens to be dual crowned. I am guessing it is probably possible to do though, by adding a few threaded holes, either by them, or yourself. But yeah, its a bit strange.
i had to google the launch announcement for that fork, it originally was direct mount compatible. unsure when along the lines they made the change.
Looks like a custom axle, maybe bearing in crank look at the DS crank, the bolt is huge. And the pedal body looks quite large too. Really interested in how the bearing arrangement (and what bearing size) they are using.
Intriguing, might lower the q factor quite a bit. But the barrier to entry when you have to sell a crank too is really high. Everybody needs pedals, I think people are willing to splurge for performance or comfort, but custom cranks are, in my opinion, a really hard sell...
"why do bike companies spec such short dropper posts on their bikes?”Brands have to spec a post that functions when fully inserted, or else folks will...
"why do bike companies spec such short dropper posts on their bikes?”
Brands have to spec a post that functions when fully inserted, or else folks will fully insert it, have it not work, and complain. Maybe attempt to sue them when it comes up while riding, and they get hurt. Thank your local Lawyers.
So they have to spec to the smallest rider, not the tallest.
Well I think being 6 3 also may mean you don’t have to care as much. Now personally I don’t need much drop either as I’m...
Well I think being 6 3 also may mean you don’t have to care as much. Now personally I don’t need much drop either as I’m accustomed to spinning with my seat lower than it probably should be. In the rare moment I’m actually trying uphill I’m probably going to stand anyways.
But a seat being low enough is a massive deal for me. Long reach and low stand over is essential for how I want to ride a bike. And I want that low seat with at least enough drop I can somewhat pedal. And I’m sure plenty of people want that low seat with a very high and efficient pedaling position. Which means you need a lot of dropper in a very small and low space in reference to the bb and rear tire.
Regarding droppers, I think it might finally be time to Drop this topic
Looks like a custom axle, maybe bearing in crank look at the DS crank, the bolt is huge. And the pedal body looks quite large too...
Looks like a custom axle, maybe bearing in crank look at the DS crank, the bolt is huge. And the pedal body looks quite large too. Really interested in how the bearing arrangement (and what bearing size) they are using.
Intriguing, might lower the q factor quite a bit. But the barrier to entry when you have to sell a crank too is really high. Everybody needs pedals, I think people are willing to splurge for performance or comfort, but custom cranks are, in my opinion, a really hard sell...
I have the Outlier pedals on 1 bike. I've only ridden them 2x.
Personally, I don't notice at all the foot being located below the axle as far as the foot not trying to rotate around the axle, but I do feel a bit more stable on the bike as I'm a bit lower (when seated) and just a bit more down in the bike. I had to lower my dropper 10mm AND shorten my cranks 5mm.
The traction is positively insane. You feel and are so locked in.
Ground clearance is a real issue, I shortened my crank length 5mm (at 155mm currently on my Relay) and it's not really enough. If you want them to have the same ground clearance as your old pedals had before, get 10mm shorter cranks.
They are cool but to me the flat versions (only one available now) are an e-bike only product because you really need like 150-155mm cranks or maybe certain bikes are situations where pedal strikes are not an issue. Ideally, they would sell some crank arms that had the bearings built into them and narrow them up a bit, yet still the extra width didn't bother me although I suspect it led to more of those pedal strikes. 2x I hit the pedals when leaned in a turn, even though my cranks were level at that time.
They have momentum and so it can take a moment for them to right side themselves. About 10x per ride I end up with a foot off in an emergency and when the foot goes back on about 3 of those times I'm standing on the smooth side, and I have to take a moment to correct it. I'm not stunting or racing so I don't care.
I hope it doesn't sound like I'm unhappy, cause I'm not. I really dig them.
I'd love to have an SPD version available for my trail bike.
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.
I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not compared to classic OneUps. Comparing the two there is a few mm difference on the outside (which is most prone to snagging), obviously more towards the cranks (this does depend on the design of the pedal as well though...) Where ground clearance was an issue was on 170 mm cranks with AliExpress parts which I used to make a proof of concept where the drop was 25 mm if I remember correctly. I was snagging things on the outside of berms with my feet level!
Rotating and stepping on the wrong side, that is really dependant on how the bearings work and run (and I am interested in how the Outliers work in this regard). I/we haven't had this issue, except in one case where it really was an issue. And it is very annoying when it happens.
What I've found is that it's either a non-issue or extreme hate for the bulge, some people just can't handle it. I think everybody COULD get used to it, but the mind is a fickle mistress.
As for stability, I personally notice it, a LOT. A few friends also trying this concept out said they notice more power when pedalling, but I can't comment on that, I didn't notice it.
Not sure how clips would work or if it had the same benefits (stability and less chance of being thrown off), but it could be made if you could get your hands on a mechanism. I'd suspect this is something one of the bigger players would have to do, unless you could buy a mechanism off the shelf (any ideas who was making Nukeproof pedals?
). Regarding cranks with bearings inside, I already mentioned what I think. Maybe it's a bit easier with eBikes as ISIS is realy prevalent there, but for classic bikes, I think it's a no-go.
Because technically, its not a "downhill" fork. Its a 170-190mm adjustable enduro fork with a normal steerer tube and a regular boost axle, that just happens...
Because technically, its not a "downhill" fork. Its a 170-190mm adjustable enduro fork with a normal steerer tube and a regular boost axle, that just happens to be dual crowned. I am guessing it is probably possible to do though, by adding a few threaded holes, either by them, or yourself. But yeah, its a bit strange.
It's a dual crown so why not have the direct mount option? It used to be an option before the latest update.
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not...
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.
I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not compared to classic OneUps. Comparing the two there is a few mm difference on the outside (which is most prone to snagging), obviously more towards the cranks (this does depend on the design of the pedal as well though...) Where ground clearance was an issue was on 170 mm cranks with AliExpress parts which I used to make a proof of concept where the drop was 25 mm if I remember correctly. I was snagging things on the outside of berms with my feet level!
Rotating and stepping on the wrong side, that is really dependant on how the bearings work and run (and I am interested in how the Outliers work in this regard). I/we haven't had this issue, except in one case where it really was an issue. And it is very annoying when it happens.
What I've found is that it's either a non-issue or extreme hate for the bulge, some people just can't handle it. I think everybody COULD get used to it, but the mind is a fickle mistress.
As for stability, I personally notice it, a LOT. A few friends also trying this concept out said they notice more power when pedalling, but I can't comment on that, I didn't notice it.
Not sure how clips would work or if it had the same benefits (stability and less chance of being thrown off), but it could be made if you could get your hands on a mechanism. I'd suspect this is something one of the bigger players would have to do, unless you could buy a mechanism off the shelf (any ideas who was making Nukeproof pedals?
). Regarding cranks with bearings inside, I already mentioned what I think. Maybe it's a bit easier with eBikes as ISIS is realy prevalent there, but for classic bikes, I think it's a no-go.
Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I have been quite happy with them so far. I like the grip, the extra stability and the increased effective stack height. I only stepped on the wrong side twice or thrice so far, and it wasn't the end of the world - I could get a few pedal strokes in before correcting. If you have a habit of spinning your pedals when placing feet on them, that could be a problem. When you strike rocks, the Outliers float over them with more ease thanks to their shape, but their thinness makes be a bit nervous about their long-term durability. Their bearings are not super-fast spinners, but I attribute that to break in period and cold temps.
As for the pedaling, I think that there is some effect on the pedaling given the varying distance of your feet from the spindle, but I am not in a good enough shape to appreciate that, yet.
Can't disagree more with the statement that they are good for mopeds only.
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not...
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.
I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not compared to classic OneUps. Comparing the two there is a few mm difference on the outside (which is most prone to snagging), obviously more towards the cranks (this does depend on the design of the pedal as well though...) Where ground clearance was an issue was on 170 mm cranks with AliExpress parts which I used to make a proof of concept where the drop was 25 mm if I remember correctly. I was snagging things on the outside of berms with my feet level!
Rotating and stepping on the wrong side, that is really dependant on how the bearings work and run (and I am interested in how the Outliers work in this regard). I/we haven't had this issue, except in one case where it really was an issue. And it is very annoying when it happens.
What I've found is that it's either a non-issue or extreme hate for the bulge, some people just can't handle it. I think everybody COULD get used to it, but the mind is a fickle mistress.
As for stability, I personally notice it, a LOT. A few friends also trying this concept out said they notice more power when pedalling, but I can't comment on that, I didn't notice it.
Not sure how clips would work or if it had the same benefits (stability and less chance of being thrown off), but it could be made if you could get your hands on a mechanism. I'd suspect this is something one of the bigger players would have to do, unless you could buy a mechanism off the shelf (any ideas who was making Nukeproof pedals?
). Regarding cranks with bearings inside, I already mentioned what I think. Maybe it's a bit easier with eBikes as ISIS is realy prevalent there, but for classic bikes, I think it's a no-go.
Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I...
Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I have been quite happy with them so far. I like the grip, the extra stability and the increased effective stack height. I only stepped on the wrong side twice or thrice so far, and it wasn't the end of the world - I could get a few pedal strokes in before correcting. If you have a habit of spinning your pedals when placing feet on them, that could be a problem. When you strike rocks, the Outliers float over them with more ease thanks to their shape, but their thinness makes be a bit nervous about their long-term durability. Their bearings are not super-fast spinners, but I attribute that to break in period and cold temps.
As for the pedaling, I think that there is some effect on the pedaling given the varying distance of your feet from the spindle, but I am not in a good enough shape to appreciate that, yet.
Can't disagree more with the statement that they are good for mopeds only.
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not...
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.
I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not compared to classic OneUps. Comparing the two there is a few mm difference on the outside (which is most prone to snagging), obviously more towards the cranks (this does depend on the design of the pedal as well though...) Where ground clearance was an issue was on 170 mm cranks with AliExpress parts which I used to make a proof of concept where the drop was 25 mm if I remember correctly. I was snagging things on the outside of berms with my feet level!
Rotating and stepping on the wrong side, that is really dependant on how the bearings work and run (and I am interested in how the Outliers work in this regard). I/we haven't had this issue, except in one case where it really was an issue. And it is very annoying when it happens.
What I've found is that it's either a non-issue or extreme hate for the bulge, some people just can't handle it. I think everybody COULD get used to it, but the mind is a fickle mistress.
As for stability, I personally notice it, a LOT. A few friends also trying this concept out said they notice more power when pedalling, but I can't comment on that, I didn't notice it.
Not sure how clips would work or if it had the same benefits (stability and less chance of being thrown off), but it could be made if you could get your hands on a mechanism. I'd suspect this is something one of the bigger players would have to do, unless you could buy a mechanism off the shelf (any ideas who was making Nukeproof pedals?
). Regarding cranks with bearings inside, I already mentioned what I think. Maybe it's a bit easier with eBikes as ISIS is realy prevalent there, but for classic bikes, I think it's a no-go.
Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I...
Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I have been quite happy with them so far. I like the grip, the extra stability and the increased effective stack height. I only stepped on the wrong side twice or thrice so far, and it wasn't the end of the world - I could get a few pedal strokes in before correcting. If you have a habit of spinning your pedals when placing feet on them, that could be a problem. When you strike rocks, the Outliers float over them with more ease thanks to their shape, but their thinness makes be a bit nervous about their long-term durability. Their bearings are not super-fast spinners, but I attribute that to break in period and cold temps.
As for the pedaling, I think that there is some effect on the pedaling given the varying distance of your feet from the spindle, but I am not in a good enough shape to appreciate that, yet.
Can't disagree more with the statement that they are good for mopeds only.
"Black holes are regions in space with such intense gravity that nothing, not even light, can escape their pull, formed when massive stars collapse and their matter is compressed into a tiny space. "
Also if it makes you feel any better about how they are, I watched those pedals get thrashed over the last two years of development under many sendy riders.
New full-sus coming from Allied? Looks like a crab-link...
*crab
Oh geez, thanks! Fixed it...
I would like to know why that Intend fork is no longer compatible with a direct mount stem. The early 2000s look with normal stem is 🤮
Conti fans rejoice, enduro super soft is here
Well I think being 6 3 also may mean you don’t have to care as much. Now personally I don’t need much drop either as I’m accustomed to spinning with my seat lower than it probably should be. In the rare moment I’m actually trying uphill I’m probably going to stand anyways.
But a seat being low enough is a massive deal for me. Long reach and low stand over is essential for how I want to ride a bike. And I want that low seat with at least enough drop I can somewhat pedal. And I’m sure plenty of people want that low seat with a very high and efficient pedaling position. Which means you need a lot of dropper in a very small and low space in reference to the bb and rear tire.
Cody Kelly with a mechanical derailleur on a carbon stumpy 15
New Scott voltage? Voltage-RSA-25 Photo Album - Pinkbike
Because technically, its not a "downhill" fork. Its a 170-190mm adjustable enduro fork with a normal steerer tube and a regular boost axle, that just happens to be dual crowned. I am guessing it is probably possible to do though, by adding a few threaded holes, either by them, or yourself. But yeah, its a bit strange.
Something I missed earlier, but I saw it was discussed on the german mtb-news forum.
The pedals on Cornelius bike, look awfully similar to the pedals Outlier mtb sells. Just without the visible "axle" and in intends color scheme.
So, probably another product they're working on. Nice to see them branch out and make more products.
Looks similar in design
https://www.instagram.com/share/BAQGYREHPB
…Dave Weagle visiting Evil for a Q&A then “off to Taiwan”
i had to google the launch announcement for that fork, it originally was direct mount compatible. unsure when along the lines they made the change.
Jeebus they needed an update 4 years ago. I really enjoyed my following mb. Will root for them coming out with a fresh lineup and not have any issues.
Looks like a custom axle, maybe bearing in crank look at the DS crank, the bolt is huge. And the pedal body looks quite large too. Really interested in how the bearing arrangement (and what bearing size) they are using.
Intriguing, might lower the q factor quite a bit. But the barrier to entry when you have to sell a crank too is really high. Everybody needs pedals, I think people are willing to splurge for performance or comfort, but custom cranks are, in my opinion, a really hard sell...
Regarding droppers, I think it might finally be time to Drop this topic
looks to be running housing externally with some zipties
Can’t wait to see the new gen Evil, hopefully soon
I have the Outlier pedals on 1 bike. I've only ridden them 2x.
Personally, I don't notice at all the foot being located below the axle as far as the foot not trying to rotate around the axle, but I do feel a bit more stable on the bike as I'm a bit lower (when seated) and just a bit more down in the bike. I had to lower my dropper 10mm AND shorten my cranks 5mm.
The traction is positively insane. You feel and are so locked in.
Ground clearance is a real issue, I shortened my crank length 5mm (at 155mm currently on my Relay) and it's not really enough. If you want them to have the same ground clearance as your old pedals had before, get 10mm shorter cranks.
They are cool but to me the flat versions (only one available now) are an e-bike only product because you really need like 150-155mm cranks or maybe certain bikes are situations where pedal strikes are not an issue. Ideally, they would sell some crank arms that had the bearings built into them and narrow them up a bit, yet still the extra width didn't bother me although I suspect it led to more of those pedal strikes. 2x I hit the pedals when leaned in a turn, even though my cranks were level at that time.
They have momentum and so it can take a moment for them to right side themselves. About 10x per ride I end up with a foot off in an emergency and when the foot goes back on about 3 of those times I'm standing on the smooth side, and I have to take a moment to correct it. I'm not stunting or racing so I don't care.
I hope it doesn't sound like I'm unhappy, cause I'm not. I really dig them.
I'd love to have an SPD version available for my trail bike.
The mount for the coming Sram Transmission mechanical is shown in the UDH stp files.
https://www.universalderailleurhanger.com/
Not on my laptop or I could post up a picture.
Release must be coming soon.
I'm on something similar t Outliers and have over a year of experience.
I'm running 165 mm cranks and ground clearance to me is a non-issue, not compared to classic OneUps. Comparing the two there is a few mm difference on the outside (which is most prone to snagging), obviously more towards the cranks (this does depend on the design of the pedal as well though...) Where ground clearance was an issue was on 170 mm cranks with AliExpress parts which I used to make a proof of concept where the drop was 25 mm if I remember correctly. I was snagging things on the outside of berms with my feet level!
Rotating and stepping on the wrong side, that is really dependant on how the bearings work and run (and I am interested in how the Outliers work in this regard). I/we haven't had this issue, except in one case where it really was an issue. And it is very annoying when it happens.
What I've found is that it's either a non-issue or extreme hate for the bulge, some people just can't handle it. I think everybody COULD get used to it, but the mind is a fickle mistress.
As for stability, I personally notice it, a LOT. A few friends also trying this concept out said they notice more power when pedalling, but I can't comment on that, I didn't notice it.
Not sure how clips would work or if it had the same benefits (stability and less chance of being thrown off), but it could be made if you could get your hands on a mechanism. I'd suspect this is something one of the bigger players would have to do, unless you could buy a mechanism off the shelf (any ideas who was making Nukeproof pedals?
). Regarding cranks with bearings inside, I already mentioned what I think. Maybe it's a bit easier with eBikes as ISIS is realy prevalent there, but for classic bikes, I think it's a no-go.
Yep that's it. The angle of the housing end is tight to the frame. Somewhere in the docs is recommended chainstay cable port exit recommendations.
This may be a good indicator of when as they're all cagey about it.
Less than 9 days
It's a dual crown so why not have the direct mount option? It used to be an option before the latest update.
It seems like both XT and XTR will be full wireless this time, I assume sea otter will be the release time
Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I have been quite happy with them so far. I like the grip, the extra stability and the increased effective stack height. I only stepped on the wrong side twice or thrice so far, and it wasn't the end of the world - I could get a few pedal strokes in before correcting. If you have a habit of spinning your pedals when placing feet on them, that could be a problem. When you strike rocks, the Outliers float over them with more ease thanks to their shape, but their thinness makes be a bit nervous about their long-term durability. Their bearings are not super-fast spinners, but I attribute that to break in period and cold temps.
As for the pedaling, I think that there is some effect on the pedaling given the varying distance of your feet from the spindle, but I am not in a good enough shape to appreciate that, yet.
Can't disagree more with the statement that they are good for mopeds only.
how do they do with the giant hole in the middle?
"Black holes are regions in space with such intense gravity that nothing, not even light, can escape their pull, formed when massive stars collapse and their matter is compressed into a tiny space. "
Also if it makes you feel any better about how they are, I watched those pedals get thrashed over the last two years of development under many sendy riders.