Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I...
Yeah, I agree with all this. I've had the Outliers for two months and although I didn't do a lot of riding in the dirt, I have been quite happy with them so far. I like the grip, the extra stability and the increased effective stack height. I only stepped on the wrong side twice or thrice so far, and it wasn't the end of the world - I could get a few pedal strokes in before correcting. If you have a habit of spinning your pedals when placing feet on them, that could be a problem. When you strike rocks, the Outliers float over them with more ease thanks to their shape, but their thinness makes be a bit nervous about their long-term durability. Their bearings are not super-fast spinners, but I attribute that to break in period and cold temps.
As for the pedaling, I think that there is some effect on the pedaling given the varying distance of your feet from the spindle, but I am not in a good enough shape to appreciate that, yet.
Can't disagree more with the statement that they are good for mopeds only.
"Black holes are regions in space with such intense gravity that nothing, not even light, can escape their pull, formed when massive stars collapse and their...
"Black holes are regions in space with such intense gravity that nothing, not even light, can escape their pull, formed when massive stars collapse and their matter is compressed into a tiny space. "
Also if it makes you feel any better about how they are, I watched those pedals get thrashed over the last two years of development under many sendy riders.
Can confirm. This is the road gap on the Psychosis DH race last summer:
Did Outlier do any ISO/EFBE tests before launching them? Shredding is fine, even over two years, but you hardly put enough mileage in to fatigue the material. And you'd likely be swapping prototypes every few months as you iterate the design...
Intense has some new stuff coming soon. I wonder if anybody’s seen it yet on a recent podcast from the other site Jeff Steber claims game changing frame design. If I remember, I think he said one E and two non-E bikes. My guess is the updated taser is probably first, so that’s been the same bike for almost 9 years now. I wonder if anybody knows anymore or has spotted anything
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all those who celebrate the relentless innovation we all don't really need!
Heard similar things, also heard for the recently released Transition ebikes there's limited options due to unreleased components which will be out very soon.
Dealer said there's going to upgrade kits on offer!? Must be something pretty special if they're going to that extent.
Not looking to buy one but as far as ebikes go they look great in person.
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all...
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all those who celebrate the relentless innovation we all don't really need!
You’re in the wrong thread if you think we don’t need it!
Because technically, its not a "downhill" fork. Its a 170-190mm adjustable enduro fork with a normal steerer tube and a regular boost axle, that just happens...
Because technically, its not a "downhill" fork. Its a 170-190mm adjustable enduro fork with a normal steerer tube and a regular boost axle, that just happens to be dual crowned. I am guessing it is probably possible to do though, by adding a few threaded holes, either by them, or yourself. But yeah, its a bit strange.
The lack of axle might feel weird the first time you step on them but you get used to it quickly. What you get in return is unparalleled grip due the infinite concavity. As someone who enjoys climbing, I can't get along with cranks shorter 170mm which is why I bought their Void pedals instead. As far as durability goes, after 700km/30,000M of fat biking this winter they have been flawless. That's with them constantly being wet from the snow, ice, mud and being left to air dry after rides. I fat bike in snow hiking boots with deep lugs and there is no other pedal that gives me a similar locked in feel almost as good as clipless. Now my previous favorite pedals Wolftooth Waveform are gathering dust.
Heard similar things, also heard for the recently released Transition ebikes there's limited options due to unreleased components which will be out very soon.Dealer said there's...
Heard similar things, also heard for the recently released Transition ebikes there's limited options due to unreleased components which will be out very soon.
Dealer said there's going to upgrade kits on offer!? Must be something pretty special if they're going to that extent.
Not looking to buy one but as far as ebikes go they look great in person.
Now thats a weird business move. Sell brand new bike, then 1 month later offer upgrade kits.... how does that math? Must be something pretty shiny
Heard similar things, also heard for the recently released Transition ebikes there's limited options due to unreleased components which will be out very soon.Dealer said there's...
Heard similar things, also heard for the recently released Transition ebikes there's limited options due to unreleased components which will be out very soon.
Dealer said there's going to upgrade kits on offer!? Must be something pretty special if they're going to that extent.
Not looking to buy one but as far as ebikes go they look great in person.
Now thats a weird business move. Sell brand new bike, then 1 month later offer upgrade kits.... how does that math? Must be something pretty shiny
It is strange. I'm going to guess shimano electronic drivetrains or mechanical transmission. Since transition is all rockshox for suspension, the fact that they are only showing shimano drivetrains on the regulator makes me think they are going to be shimano based upgrades. It would be a weird move to provide the initial supply with shimano deore/xt and then slide sram into the DMs and provide sram based build kits.
That being said, transition likes to keep it weird, so anything is possible.
It is strange. I'm going to guess shimano electronic drivetrains or mechanical transmission. Since transition is all rockshox for suspension, the fact that they are only...
It is strange. I'm going to guess shimano electronic drivetrains or mechanical transmission. Since transition is all rockshox for suspension, the fact that they are only showing shimano drivetrains on the regulator makes me think they are going to be shimano based upgrades. It would be a weird move to provide the initial supply with shimano deore/xt and then slide sram into the DMs and provide sram based build kits.
That being said, transition likes to keep it weird, so anything is possible.
Probably referring to the blank port with the system controller in it, that's obviously meant to be a screen. The gen 5 bikes have been waiting for the combo system controller/screen thingy since they first came out.
The lack of axle might feel weird the first time you step on them but you get used to it quickly. What you get in return...
The lack of axle might feel weird the first time you step on them but you get used to it quickly. What you get in return is unparalleled grip due the infinite concavity. As someone who enjoys climbing, I can't get along with cranks shorter 170mm which is why I bought their Void pedals instead. As far as durability goes, after 700km/30,000M of fat biking this winter they have been flawless. That's with them constantly being wet from the snow, ice, mud and being left to air dry after rides. I fat bike in snow hiking boots with deep lugs and there is no other pedal that gives me a similar locked in feel almost as good as clipless. Now my previous favorite pedals Wolftooth Waveform are gathering dust.
I just got this email from Sram (because I inquired about their app and site not recognizing the serial numbers of my products):
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
SRAM Rider Support (RockShox)
Mar 19, 2025, 17:04 MDT
Hello DontWorryImAPilot,
We sincerely apologize for our delayed response and any inconvenience caused by recent issues affecting the RockShox Trailhead App, Product Registration, and the SRAM Service Hub Serial Lookup.
SRAM is experiencing an IT issue that has impacted operational capabilities in certain departments. We are working to resolve the issue as soon as possible and will provide regular updates as information allows.
In the meantime, please be aware that none of these resources will recognize serial numbers. Suspension products saved in your RockShox Trailhead Garage may also not be visible.
Please understand that SRAM Support Teams are also affected by this issue. As a result, they may be unable to assist with service questions, small parts replacement recommendations, suspension setup and tuning guidance, or general product identification until the IT issue is resolved.
If you have any questions unrelated to the above information, please respond to this message.
Otherwise, just sit tight and we'll notify you when there is more to share.
I GUESS this is a tech rumor?I just got this email from Sram (because I inquired about their app and site not recognizing the serial numbers...
I GUESS this is a tech rumor?
I just got this email from Sram (because I inquired about their app and site not recognizing the serial numbers of my products):
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
SRAM Rider Support (RockShox)
Mar 19, 2025, 17:04 MDT
Hello DontWorryImAPilot,
We sincerely apologize for our delayed response and any inconvenience caused by recent issues affecting the RockShox Trailhead App, Product Registration, and the SRAM Service Hub Serial Lookup.
SRAM is experiencing an IT issue that has impacted operational capabilities in certain departments. We are working to resolve the issue as soon as possible and will provide regular updates as information allows.
In the meantime, please be aware that none of these resources will recognize serial numbers. Suspension products saved in your RockShox Trailhead Garage may also not be visible.
Please understand that SRAM Support Teams are also affected by this issue. As a result, they may be unable to assist with service questions, small parts replacement recommendations, suspension setup and tuning guidance, or general product identification until the IT issue is resolved.
If you have any questions unrelated to the above information, please respond to this message.
Otherwise, just sit tight and we'll notify you when there is more to share.
Kind regards,
The SRAM Rider Support Team
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
someone clicked on the wrong link and now they need to pay a ransom?
I GUESS this is a tech rumor?I just got this email from Sram (because I inquired about their app and site not recognizing the serial numbers...
I GUESS this is a tech rumor?
I just got this email from Sram (because I inquired about their app and site not recognizing the serial numbers of my products):
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
SRAM Rider Support (RockShox)
Mar 19, 2025, 17:04 MDT
Hello DontWorryImAPilot,
We sincerely apologize for our delayed response and any inconvenience caused by recent issues affecting the RockShox Trailhead App, Product Registration, and the SRAM Service Hub Serial Lookup.
SRAM is experiencing an IT issue that has impacted operational capabilities in certain departments. We are working to resolve the issue as soon as possible and will provide regular updates as information allows.
In the meantime, please be aware that none of these resources will recognize serial numbers. Suspension products saved in your RockShox Trailhead Garage may also not be visible.
Please understand that SRAM Support Teams are also affected by this issue. As a result, they may be unable to assist with service questions, small parts replacement recommendations, suspension setup and tuning guidance, or general product identification until the IT issue is resolved.
If you have any questions unrelated to the above information, please respond to this message.
Otherwise, just sit tight and we'll notify you when there is more to share.
Kind regards,
The SRAM Rider Support Team
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
Ooooof, sounds like someone messed up a database migration/upgrade 😝
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all...
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all those who celebrate the relentless innovation we all don't really need!
So we're likely to see...
- Fox 34 / 36 + Float X2 / DH X2 - Specialized Levo w/ 100nm+ motor - 2 new Yeti ebikes likely with Bosch - Wireless XTR + updated brakes, maybe XT as well - Mechanical SRAM Transmission
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all...
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all those who celebrate the relentless innovation we all don't really need!
so it would seem that the new 34 SL is now the most direct competitor to the RS Sid. The 32 is only available in tapered lowers (gravel) and step-cast, which I just noticed is targeted primarily for marathon XC.
I've had a few new fox products, including the one released today, in my hands over the last few weeks and while I'm not a fox fan boy, the feel and look of the new 34SL, -Redacted- and -Redacted- are certainly a bump up from the previous gen. It'll be interesting to see how they review. The 34SL is stupid light in your hand.
I've had a few new fox products, including the one released today, in my hands over the last few weeks and while I'm not a fox...
I've had a few new fox products, including the one released today, in my hands over the last few weeks and while I'm not a fox fan boy, the feel and look of the new 34SL, -Redacted- and -Redacted- are certainly a bump up from the previous gen. It'll be interesting to see how they review. The 34SL is stupid light in your hand.
I've had a few new fox products, including the one released today, in my hands over the last few weeks and while I'm not a fox...
I've had a few new fox products, including the one released today, in my hands over the last few weeks and while I'm not a fox fan boy, the feel and look of the new 34SL, -Redacted- and -Redacted- are certainly a bump up from the previous gen. It'll be interesting to see how they review. The 34SL is stupid light in your hand.
Here's to hoping it is not just a polished turd and their QC has been improved. Out of spec VVC, tight bushings, chassis alignment issues, too much grease in the air chamber etc Basically the stuff that makes many shiny new Fox forks feel like crap.
Not a problem so far.
Can confirm. This is the road gap on the Psychosis DH race last summer:
Did Outlier do any ISO/EFBE tests before launching them? Shredding is fine, even over two years, but you hardly put enough mileage in to fatigue the material. And you'd likely be swapping prototypes every few months as you iterate the design...
Intense has some new stuff coming soon. I wonder if anybody’s seen it yet on a recent podcast from the other site Jeff Steber claims game changing frame design. If I remember, I think he said one E and two non-E bikes. My guess is the updated taser is probably first, so that’s been the same bike for almost 9 years now. I wonder if anybody knows anymore or has spotted anything
Word from a lot of media is that the next 30~ days are going to be busy on this thread. Happy spring/sea otter season to all those who celebrate the relentless innovation we all don't really need!
Heard similar things, also heard for the recently released Transition ebikes there's limited options due to unreleased components which will be out very soon.
Dealer said there's going to upgrade kits on offer!? Must be something pretty special if they're going to that extent.
Not looking to buy one but as far as ebikes go they look great in person.
You’re in the wrong thread if you think we don’t need it!
that was the infinity dh, this is the infinity en
The lack of axle might feel weird the first time you step on them but you get used to it quickly. What you get in return is unparalleled grip due the infinite concavity. As someone who enjoys climbing, I can't get along with cranks shorter 170mm which is why I bought their Void pedals instead. As far as durability goes, after 700km/30,000M of fat biking this winter they have been flawless. That's with them constantly being wet from the snow, ice, mud and being left to air dry after rides. I fat bike in snow hiking boots with deep lugs and there is no other pedal that gives me a similar locked in feel almost as good as clipless. Now my previous favorite pedals Wolftooth Waveform are gathering dust.
Now thats a weird business move. Sell brand new bike, then 1 month later offer upgrade kits.... how does that math? Must be something pretty shiny
It is strange. I'm going to guess shimano electronic drivetrains or mechanical transmission. Since transition is all rockshox for suspension, the fact that they are only showing shimano drivetrains on the regulator makes me think they are going to be shimano based upgrades. It would be a weird move to provide the initial supply with shimano deore/xt and then slide sram into the DMs and provide sram based build kits.
That being said, transition likes to keep it weird, so anything is possible.
Probably referring to the blank port with the system controller in it, that's obviously meant to be a screen. The gen 5 bikes have been waiting for the combo system controller/screen thingy since they first came out.
Maybe printed titanium crown?
Take it to the pedal thread ya jerk!
www.pedaltechnologyandrumors.com
JK
I GUESS this is a tech rumor?
I just got this email from Sram (because I inquired about their app and site not recognizing the serial numbers of my products):
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
SRAM Rider Support (RockShox)
Mar 19, 2025, 17:04 MDT
Hello DontWorryImAPilot,
We sincerely apologize for our delayed response and any inconvenience caused by recent issues affecting the RockShox Trailhead App, Product Registration, and the SRAM Service Hub Serial Lookup.
SRAM is experiencing an IT issue that has impacted operational capabilities in certain departments. We are working to resolve the issue as soon as possible and will provide regular updates as information allows.
In the meantime, please be aware that none of these resources will recognize serial numbers. Suspension products saved in your RockShox Trailhead Garage may also not be visible.
Please understand that SRAM Support Teams are also affected by this issue. As a result, they may be unable to assist with service questions, small parts replacement recommendations, suspension setup and tuning guidance, or general product identification until the IT issue is resolved.
If you have any questions unrelated to the above information, please respond to this message.
Otherwise, just sit tight and we'll notify you when there is more to share.
Kind regards,
The SRAM Rider Support Team
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
someone clicked on the wrong link and now they need to pay a ransom?
The Sram B2B site has been down for about a week.
Bunch of pivot athletes and ambassadors in finale for something. Likely a new firebird launch.
Ooooof, sounds like someone messed up a database migration/upgrade 😝
This explains why Propain may be having issues getting my fork warrantied out as it's still pending SRAM's portal update.
So we're likely to see...
- Fox 34 / 36 + Float X2 / DH X2
- Specialized Levo w/ 100nm+ motor
- 2 new Yeti ebikes likely with Bosch
- Wireless XTR + updated brakes, maybe XT as well
- Mechanical SRAM Transmission
What else?
The fun has begun... https://ridefox.com/pages/fox-34-sl
34 is here now
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/fox-unveils-all-new-34-sl
36 probably not far out then
Edit: Admin I see your cheeky edits >: )
pb beat you by a few min, was about to edit the vital post in when I noticed lol
that was quick.
New USD fork?
so it would seem that the new 34 SL is now the most direct competitor to the RS Sid. The 32 is only available in tapered lowers (gravel) and step-cast, which I just noticed is targeted primarily for marathon XC.
I've had a few new fox products, including the one released today, in my hands over the last few weeks and while I'm not a fox fan boy, the feel and look of the new 34SL, -Redacted- and -Redacted- are certainly a bump up from the previous gen. It'll be interesting to see how they review. The 34SL is stupid light in your hand.
redacted you say? Interesting. sounds crab-like.
Here's to hoping it is not just a polished turd and their QC has been improved. Out of spec VVC, tight bushings, chassis alignment issues, too much grease in the air chamber etc Basically the stuff that makes many shiny new Fox forks feel like crap.