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But can you stand on it?
You can. Should you though?
As for the chain length app for Transmission, it's not only the chainstay length, I'm sure a factor is also dynamic chainstay length going through the travel.
Looks like a perfect step to me 🤷♂️
More specifically the SRAM 1 x 11 with the type 2 or 2.1 Clutches. These you can "easily" modify the clutch tension on. Running it crasy strong on all our bikes here with the Ethirteen cassettes. The same 510% wide cassette with more ground clearance than any 1 x 12 setup available.
How do you modify it?
This one is pretty good and show the Type 2. The Type 2.1 has a metal pin thru the housing that you also need to get rid of to be able to work on the T55 bolt. The conspiracy theory behind that metal pin is that Shimano has the patent on the clutch mechanism and sram is only licencing the clutch, and not the option to change the tension of that said clutch. I have no idea if thats the thing or not.
https://www.mtbiking.com.au/workshop/sram-type-2-derailleur-clutch-overhaul
The looks so bad. Who the hell wants a battery penis on their seat post.
All this because some frame manufacturers cant figure how not to slam the rear wheel into the seat post on big compressions
Paging Dr. Freud…
Atherton S.200 aluminum DH bike now for sale - https://www.athertonbikes.com/bike/s200-downhill.html
- 3 builds £6,299, £5,650 and £4,165 (according to their website on this particular day)
- 12 standard sizes and the combination of Atherton’s “perfect-fit" sizing
- mixed wheel configuration
- 200 mm travel front and rear.
- DW4 suspension platform
- single-piece CNC'd rear triangle
S.200.1 build below
It still adds stack height, yes; but moving the stanchion part upwards relative to the saddle rails means the insertion depth/length below the seat post's collar for any given drop length is reduced.
Especially with longer travel bikes where there often isnt a straight seat tube all the way to the bottom bracket, this is more of a limiting factor in these days of extremely low standover
It looks like the same rear triangle (with different links and wider hub spacing), and mostly the same front triangle with the head tube lug being different to account for the different cable routing that dual crowns have. If I'm correct, and the links were available to purchase you would be able to have all 3 S-Series bikes in one!
Looks great but I'm waiting for an S.170.G as the ultimate big enduro or bike part bike. Just enough gears in the hub to get up to speed or slog up a hill for those parks without lift access.
Then a little rework to swap out the gearbox for the motor gearbox combo and I'll buy that too. Not sure what you'd do with the battery but I'm sure they could find a solution that doesn't leave it on the outside like the Cotic.
I'm going to poke Dan next time he's driving my uplift at Dyfi.
I'm not sure if it ever got mentioned, but during Hardline Tasi Gee's bike was making a hell of racket everytime it was caught on film, whilst Charlie's belt drive was silent.
Waves at fellow Wrexhamite. 🤪
Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the S200 with the Alu tubes, and then there’s the high-pivot gearbox proto, which in my view would be the top dog that goes fastest. Then what do you do with the other 2? Keep them as the better pedaller downhill sleds? But then what to do with the 170 bikes which are even better pedallers?
I would imagine the S200 will be marketed as a park/DH bike while the carbon will be the full on race bike. The gear box bike, if it sees production, would probably be offered as a second option or completely replace the carbon bike currently. Their manufacturing method sounds pretty lean which lets them be flexible. They don’t have molds for carbon frames that they are hoping to get X number of frames out of.
That's the beauty of modular concepts. I really like everything that Atherton bikes has done since inception. Really cool stuff, hope they get the 100K!
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted and brought along through the whole build of every frame. He gets check in's from Atherton bikes every step of the way.
To me, it seems to be taking a bit longer than I expected but it sounds like they're quiet busy. Interesting to see the customer side of what they're doing and it's pretty impressive to what I've seen from other custom builders.
The final touches on the Atherton bikes are not great.
The cable porting is average at best these days, and the chain slap protection is just a thin piece of mastic tape that barely covers the chain stay area.
They're always going to be noisy until you invest some money and time to mitigate it.
I can totally envision OneUp's April 1st advert for their new wireless dropper.
'Tired of losing all of that stack height with the other guys' wireless droppers? We at OneUp have the ideal solution... commercial pans to a rider inserting a battery in his anus and looking very uncomfortable, then giving a thumbs up. Then they show a wire going down to the dropper from his riding pants. We have packaged the battery in a simple and environmentally green manner that improves stack height, and also prevents theft!
And for the ladies you can now bring a spare battery, 2 batteries! (shows woman frowning nervously...)'
The point is just to underscore how stupid these wireless droppers are, and the lengths people will go through when the lightest, shortest stack, great priced product is already in the catalog.
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i am located in Germany, i will have to send the whole bike to them or are they replacing individual parts with proof by foto.
Also The whole Back is one CNC at the s200. When it gets bend, you throw away all the stuff? I mean aluminium can be recycled but not very enviroment freindly.
The rear triangle is actually 2 triangles then connected with a bridge its not 1.
But you argument is bizarre, what happens when you bend/crack any VPP style rear triangle? Its not unique to Atherton.
Also talking to some of the Dyfi guys, good luck breaking these bikes. The one thing I will say is their as indestructible as they come. Some of the trail crew got given the prototypes and they just said go destroy them, not a single one (to my knowledge) has failed.
Exactly this. I expect due to the way they manufacture frames that spares will be available indefinitely and their customer service will be better than the big brands. They should be able to offer a better experience if anything goes wrong and the frames are well engineered and very durable.
re: one-piece rear end, this is from their PR, so i listed it as a highlight. i don't doubt that it's comprised of 2 pieces bolted together, however.
Yeah not sure they got that right in the text.
Clearly looks like its two separate halfs joined by the linkage and a "tube" kind of
That's an interesting cross section. What say @Ryan Burney
norco's dh bike has a similar structure too (i know there's a better photo out there, but this was all i could find...look closely, you'll see it...seatstay sidecuts and chainstay bottom cuts)
That bike is rad.
Teeny L-beam seatstays and pocketed (but larger) chainstays. Looks practical to machine and keeps the chainstay stiffer than the seatstay for more roll and less wag. Good pedal stiffness but also good compliance. It will always be heavier than a tube for the same stiffness but (turns out) it's hard to machine a tube so this is a great solution and will be stiff enough for its weight. and it's cooler than a tube. It's neat that they can machine all these parts and still make money per bike... that's a lot of machine time.
Funny enough I'm currently working on an FEA for my buddy Robs bike that has similar chainstays. I'll be able to share that data soon and should be some fun learning.
Kirk McDowall bike check at pb last year
I imagine those stays are mud magnets though...