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11/6/2024 12:33pm Edited Date/Time 11/6/2024 12:39pm

Man, Trek isn't even the first mountain bike manufacturer to make a one-off metal full suspension bike called the Pipedream.  And with Wade's the name worked on additional levels which is better. 

 

Damn, Brian beat me to it by moments. 

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Trek if youre here. Breath once…IMG 6159.jpeg?VersionId=WSWZf254ENhY84R.

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Jotegr wrote:
Man, Trek isn't even the first mountain bike manufacturer to make a one-off metal full suspension bike called the Pipedream.  And with Wade's the name worked...

Man, Trek isn't even the first mountain bike manufacturer to make a one-off metal full suspension bike called the Pipedream.  And with Wade's the name worked on additional levels which is better. 

 

Damn, Brian beat me to it by moments. 

Wade might just be the best rider / actor combo in the industry. Name a rider that does better acting jobs in ride videos? 

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11/6/2024 3:06pm
Jotegr wrote:
Man, Trek isn't even the first mountain bike manufacturer to make a one-off metal full suspension bike called the Pipedream.  And with Wade's the name worked...

Man, Trek isn't even the first mountain bike manufacturer to make a one-off metal full suspension bike called the Pipedream.  And with Wade's the name worked on additional levels which is better. 

 

Damn, Brian beat me to it by moments. 

earleb wrote:
Wade might just be the best rider / actor combo in the industry. Name a rider that does better acting jobs in ride videos? 

Wade might just be the best rider / actor combo in the industry. Name a rider that does better acting jobs in ride videos? 

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Jotegr wrote:
Man, Trek isn't even the first mountain bike manufacturer to make a one-off metal full suspension bike called the Pipedream.  And with Wade's the name worked...

Man, Trek isn't even the first mountain bike manufacturer to make a one-off metal full suspension bike called the Pipedream.  And with Wade's the name worked on additional levels which is better. 

 

Damn, Brian beat me to it by moments. 

earleb wrote:
Wade might just be the best rider / actor combo in the industry. Name a rider that does better acting jobs in ride videos? 

Wade might just be the best rider / actor combo in the industry. Name a rider that does better acting jobs in ride videos? 

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Damn, that's such a sick vid. Thanks for the revisit, Bikaholic. 

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11/6/2024 4:27pm Edited Date/Time 11/6/2024 4:28pm

the only brand engineer to make a finals at the world cup - According to Kirk, Episode 2 from Norco (Kirk McDowall)

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11/6/2024 10:45pm Edited Date/Time 11/6/2024 11:29pm

Tire rumors, brake rumors, and Rocky/Norco rumors back in effect. Been about six months since I've seen a Slayer though, lol. Do people still buy Canadian bikes?. I asked some local dealers about them during the Pandemic, and they said they stopped selling them because of bad frame tolerances, and crap warrantee support.

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11/7/2024 12:45am
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the only brand engineer to make a finals at the world cup - According to Kirk, Episode 2 from Norco (Kirk McDowall)

Is that current brand engineer? Or else I think cesar rojo might think otherwise

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11/7/2024 2:05am

I'd say the qualifier here is current...

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My current gen Range VLT with Bosch has been flawless. They’ve been iterating rapidly. Also nice the rear end is so much shorter / mulleted than the previous gen.

My current Range high pivot bike is an insane descending bike - but it’s pretty clear that the I track / moving the idler to tune anti squat has leveled up their new optic/sight - this outgoing range just never felt great on the pedals - despite the weight. 

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Onawalk wrote:
Interesting take,No more niche than a Dreadnaught, or Slash, or Spire, or Claymore, or......Just a long travel "enduro/freeride" bike, that leans more towards DH performance than...

Interesting take,

No more niche than a Dreadnaught, or Slash, or Spire, or Claymore, or......Just a long travel "enduro/freeride" bike, that leans more towards DH performance than most.  When compared to what youd actually ride/race, its not really that much heavier, and for the additional performance, worth the penalty.

I went with a Spire, but the Range was a very, very close second.  Now I'm on a V2 Dreadnaught.....

See loads of em around here, ridden, raced, at the bike park.  Might be location dependant.

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I see what you're saying, But the spire is definitely not niche in my opinion, its just a big crab link. Dreddy or claymore come from smaller...

I see what you're saying, But the spire is definitely not niche in my opinion, its just a big crab link. 

Dreddy or claymore come from smaller brands so according to my peanut brain they can do more interesting stuff with less risk. Slash is cool but still kind of basically a crab link HP??

I have not ridden any of them so I could just be totally out to lunch on this one, but it really seemed to me that the range was on the extreme end of descending focus and was a little bit of a dog as far as uphill performance is concerned. 

Like some of the comments after yours have talked about. The range seemed to be part of a big pivot for the brand and I think that is sick. When the Optic, Sight, and Range came out it was like woah these guys are doing the most. So much so that I demo'd and bought a sight. I'm a huge Norco fanboy now and will probably buy a new optic for my next bike. (Also bought my dad a low pivot optic when I bought my sight) Maybe I live in a weird dead zone because some comments have mentioned seeing Range's a lot, but I have only seen 2 ranges in person on the "trail" and both were at bike parks. I ride a lot in SW WA and NW Oregon. 

 

Long story long I'm stoked the range exists and I'd love to ride one but it seems way too gnarly to me for anything but shuttling. I think the "LT sight" is pretty good evidence that seems to be a common opinion. But also super stoked the direction that Norco is going, Their bikes are sick. 

The Uber long, Uber slack, Uber low, long travel super enduro isnt' niche to you?

I think youre looking at it from todays point of view, cause in 21/22, it was definitely a low volume bike, that was not for everyone, or everywhere.  Similar to the Range.....

I've been a Norco fan for ages, they have their upps and downs, like most companies.  Back in the days of acid green VPS-1's and 2's, they were top tier bikes, but in a segment that was baggy Roach shorts, and old moto gear for protection.  They had a weird period in the mid naughties, but theyve been making great bikes for a long time.

Theyre also one of NA's biggest parts, merch, accessory distros as well.  I vividly remember flipping through their spiral bound catalogue, pricing Monster T's....

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JVP wrote:

We’ll need a Dorado - Vaia shootout. Lots of similarities on paper. 

DorianKane wrote:

The Vaia features floating bushings. That should make the biggest differnce other then ridefeel. Would be interesting for sure!

I might have missed that - what would floating bushes do for the Vaia’s feel and performance? 

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Theoretically, slide better under side loading especially deep into the stroke.

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Check the hashtag… 🤔

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Check the hashtag… 🤔

Check the hashtag… 🤔

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i had been wondering what happened with them, Nicolai is the only company that has brought that to market. 

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11/8/2024 9:10am

and Nicolai no longer produces Lal bikes after some problems with Lal

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11/8/2024 10:00am
JVP wrote:

We’ll need a Dorado - Vaia shootout. Lots of similarities on paper. 

DorianKane wrote:

The Vaia features floating bushings. That should make the biggest differnce other then ridefeel. Would be interesting for sure!

I might have missed that - what would floating bushes do for the Vaia’s feel and performance? 

Less binding. Alignment stays true through out the travel, in theory.

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and Nicolai no longer produces Lal bikes after some problems with Lal

Yeah I noticed that on the website a bit ago, anybody know why this happened? They're only selling a udh version.

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Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat? Or maybe just a more obscure model/brand?

With the official death of the Scout, it's interesting to watch them drop like flies. It's kinda like NHLers still allowed to play without a visor. There's like 5 or less left. Slowly but surely lol

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LePigPen wrote:
Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat...

Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat? Or maybe just a more obscure model/brand?

With the official death of the Scout, it's interesting to watch them drop like flies. It's kinda like NHLers still allowed to play without a visor. There's like 5 or less left. Slowly but surely lol

sb140 27.5 got replaced by the 135, nothing new coming

11/9/2024 1:16am

and Nicolai no longer produces Lal bikes after some problems with Lal

What problems with Lal? With the drivetrain, which seems pretty bombproof, or with the inventor, who seems a pretty nice guy? Smile

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11/9/2024 2:18am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2024 2:18am

and Nicolai no longer produces Lal bikes after some problems with Lal

What problems with Lal? With the drivetrain, which seems pretty bombproof, or with the inventor, who seems a pretty nice guy? Smile

Aston lists some of the problems in his review

https://www.astonmtb.bike/reviews/nicolai-nucleon-supre-drive

I disagree with him on many things regarding bicycles, but what he lists here seem like valid first generation product issues that need to be fixed for it to become a more widespread alternative to existing drivetrains. 

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LePigPen wrote:
Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat...

Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat? Or maybe just a more obscure model/brand?

With the official death of the Scout, it's interesting to watch them drop like flies. It's kinda like NHLers still allowed to play without a visor. There's like 5 or less left. Slowly but surely lol

Evil96 wrote:

sb140 27.5 got replaced by the 135, nothing new coming

Zink Bikes is dropping a new 27.5” model, I have no clue on geo and specs but this is what I’ve gleamed from ocbikeworks on Insta so far. “150 travel and it’s possible to run 26” in the back, but all the material shared with us suggests it’s meant for 27.5 without any mods. $1650 retail for the frame.”  And like all shops they hook up the discount on parts to build it up.  Has me intrigued for sure. 

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LePigPen wrote:
Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat...

Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat? Or maybe just a more obscure model/brand?

With the official death of the Scout, it's interesting to watch them drop like flies. It's kinda like NHLers still allowed to play without a visor. There's like 5 or less left. Slowly but surely lol

For heavens sake,

You can literally put a 275 front wheel on any MX bike, with worst case Scenario, add 10mm travel to the fork.  

Or silver lining the damn thing, and be stoked that theres prolly gonna be a load of bargain priced used 275 bikes out there.

 

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11/9/2024 8:17pm
LePigPen wrote:
Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat...

Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat? Or maybe just a more obscure model/brand?

With the official death of the Scout, it's interesting to watch them drop like flies. It's kinda like NHLers still allowed to play without a visor. There's like 5 or less left. Slowly but surely lol

Onawalk wrote:
For heavens sake,You can literally put a 275 front wheel on any MX bike, with worst case Scenario, add 10mm travel to the fork.  Or silver...

For heavens sake,

You can literally put a 275 front wheel on any MX bike, with worst case Scenario, add 10mm travel to the fork.  

Or silver lining the damn thing, and be stoked that theres prolly gonna be a load of bargain priced used 275 bikes out there.

 

It was just a question.

I will stop asking questions.

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and Nicolai no longer produces Lal bikes after some problems with Lal

What problems with Lal? With the drivetrain, which seems pretty bombproof, or with the inventor, who seems a pretty nice guy? Smile

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Aston lists some of the problems in his reviewhttps://www.astonmtb.bike/reviews/nicolai-nucleon-supre-driveI disagree with him on many things regarding bicycles, but what he lists here seem like...

Aston lists some of the problems in his review

https://www.astonmtb.bike/reviews/nicolai-nucleon-supre-drive

I disagree with him on many things regarding bicycles, but what he lists here seem like valid first generation product issues that need to be fixed for it to become a more widespread alternative to existing drivetrains. 

Its an incredible looking bike, Id have one hanging on my wall yesterday if I could convince myself that its just like buying art.

I have an enormous amount of respect for what Lal is trying to achieve, and commend Nicolai for pushing ti to market.   

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LePigPen wrote:
Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat...

Don't wanna make a new thread, but did want to ask just for fun. Which dual 27 model is next on the chopping block? SB140? Shadowcat? Or maybe just a more obscure model/brand?

With the official death of the Scout, it's interesting to watch them drop like flies. It's kinda like NHLers still allowed to play without a visor. There's like 5 or less left. Slowly but surely lol

Onawalk wrote:
For heavens sake,You can literally put a 275 front wheel on any MX bike, with worst case Scenario, add 10mm travel to the fork.  Or silver...

For heavens sake,

You can literally put a 275 front wheel on any MX bike, with worst case Scenario, add 10mm travel to the fork.  

Or silver lining the damn thing, and be stoked that theres prolly gonna be a load of bargain priced used 275 bikes out there.

 

LePigPen wrote:

It was just a question.

I will stop asking questions.

https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/martinzone/knolly-endorphin-g6-27-5

Heres a brand new model, run it dual 275 all day......  Cool friggin Knolly, 

Every MX bike, is just a way for the companies to actually sell a 275 bike, thats all they are.  They are throwing lifelines to people who want 275 bikes, but nothing but gripes how the industry abandons it.....

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Any idea when these are dropping?

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