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you 2 knucklheads, please continue in DM! thx
Relating to WAO : back in the day when Evil bikes started making a chainguide and other components, they created the e.thirteen brand to separate that business from their bike line.
Probably to mitigate the aftermarket issue WAO is dealing with.
According to Dave Weagle they changed the name because Santa Cruz couldn’t spec them on their team bikes with the EVIL logo.
Have a listen to Nigel Page’s “Stay on Your Bike” podcast with him. It’s a good listen
You make a great point about tolerances and the complexity behind mountain biking products! Similar to the reviews I've seen on PissedConsumer regarding consumer awareness of these engineering complexities, it's not always easy for the average user to understand the level of precision and specialized expertise required. Many consumers don’t realize how much precision affects costs. And it's true that quality control plays a huge role.
E13 was created by Evil bikes? Dafaq?!?!?! O_o
Well, Dave Weagle started both initially before selling them off.
I think they gave the components a different name as they also made these at the same time.
https://p.vitalmtb.com/styles/full_size_1600/s3/photos/users/52061/setup_checks/121741/IMG_4459.JPG?VersionId=7ihTv.3nNSaEJidIjzgFvwGOx72dunnU&itok=b0wgoXc7
Wouldn't want to be associated with those monstrosity either.
When did Evil last release a new bike? been a while hasn't it?
They updated the Following, Offering and Wreckoning for UDH (LS models) around 18 months ago.
yes, although that is new colors, udh and the integrated trunnion spacers in the linkage, so, still same bike.
i'd love to see what's next, i feel they could tweak the geo a tad to make it more fresh, cause the bikes ride like nothing else already!
I bought a Sovereign (it was terrible).
I miss my red Imperial. It was a product of it's time.
Evil heavily implied the latest blowout pricing wasn't a going out of business event, it was a clearing inventory for new models event. There was also a rumor of them testing some 'different' looking bikes about a year ago, so seems likely they'll have something more than a refresh to share. The last few generations have been pretty incremental improvements on a theme that is somewhat dated.
A longer rear end, steeper seat tube angle, taller stack Offering would be right up my alley.
The future of Superboost comments goes here:
I kick off the superboost comments, it can indeed without a doubt, F off.
26/24 micro mullet was the shit, that was the only bike I could ever really manual...
If you don’t think of Evil and E.13 (named after a police precinct in Boston) as Maine-based companies, you probably aren’t in your mid 40’s, ahaha.
BOS is apparently poised to make a major push back into the MTB market, they have refreshed their entire range of products - it all drops on November 11 but here's the info already: https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/bos-suspension-launches-bos….
Anyone else notice the bike Semenuk rode in rampage wasn’t just a gen 5 slash? Looks nice IMO
I think its custom made just for him. They call it the Trek Sesh. I think i remember seeing a bit of a bike check on it.
He had that mule last year, too, didn’t he?
(judged events don’t belong in mountain biking)
I have a nice wheelset so I don’t care if the superboost stays honestly, although I hope they stick with the short chainstay at least on small and medium sizes, perhaps with a chip to make it longer if people want to
And stick with delta. As that’s what makes Evil bikes awesome to ride
Let see hopefully sooner than later
TBF and only slightly derail the thread, I did the same to my Kona Chute while the Z1 was waiting on parts. It was stupid, it was fun, it was stupid fun.
Will they still have the terrible customer service and poor parts availability that we grew to love back in their first foray? Time will tell!
and their second foray
Meh, delta link is just linkage ratio manipulation through the dual link system. It created a well crafted LR and progression that was better than most when it came out. Lots of bikes have identical or similar to LR curves now a days. Otherwise it was a single pivot, with inherent design compromises that came from the pivot location. There is a reason his newer systems use dual links, being able to tailor the AS and AR separate from the wheel path, at least IMO as an mech engineer…
FWIW: I’ve never spoken to him, it’s just my opinion based on the design progression over the years.