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7/21/2024 1:29am

Trek launching a new electric descender this week. It hits all of the on trend trends, I can’t help but wonder if it’ll flop like the meat powered version?

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7/21/2024 1:40am

Sooo I knew the frames had a week spot. But 4 of them? Could someone tell me what those 4 are?

Pull link (fixed)

Headset cracking which is often you see the top tube around the headset crack. 

Seat tube rocker pivot

Seat tube BB junction

Down tube bottle bosses also fails. 

@Nobble is correct in that most of these are "fixed" with newer frames, except the head tube, which still cracks. 

Nobody really makes carbon frames as light as the Enduro anymore, I think all brands (except Scott) just put heaps of extra carbon in to account for manufacturing tolerances in the far east. I'm sure if Spec or any of the brands made their carbon frames in house to very high standards you wouldn't see these failure rates, it's just an intersection of design and QC/manufacturing standard not having enough tolerance. All it takes is 1 void and your frame can be toast. 

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7/21/2024 3:58am
Trek launching a new electric descender this week. It hits all of the on trend trends, I can’t help but wonder if it’ll flop like the...

Trek launching a new electric descender this week. It hits all of the on trend trends, I can’t help but wonder if it’ll flop like the meat powered version?

slash with TQ perhaps

I heard on youtube about a new bike with TQ and 520 battery in July so maybee a trek

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7/21/2024 4:24am

It is indeed an E-slash with TQ and probably the new TQ 580wh battery.

 

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7/21/2024 5:47am

Seems to be a lack of sneaky photos of in the forum this summer. 

TQ580. Sounds like a dirtbike. 

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7/21/2024 6:33am

I think I saw the e slash on my local trails back in spring. White frame, no branding, gone too fast to take a picture. 

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29 wrote:

I think I saw the e slash on my local trails back in spring. White frame, no branding, gone too fast to take a picture. 

Do you remember if it looks like the new slash ? with high pivot?

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29 wrote:

I think I saw the e slash on my local trails back in spring. White frame, no branding, gone too fast to take a picture. 

dom wrote:

Do you remember if it looks like the new slash ? with high pivot?

yeah, same idler, lower pulley and everything

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7/21/2024 10:19am

Enduro getting UDH rear end update only...

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7/21/2024 11:10am

Enduro getting UDH rear end update only...

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7/21/2024 12:13pm

I have definitely not heard anything about the new Trek Slash+ being released on the 26th of July with the new TQ 580Wh, SRAM Maven's on the SRAM spec, weighing 20.9kg / 46lbs in size medium and the 9.9 XO AXS build pricing the same as the non-e Slash 9.9 XX AXS 

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7/21/2024 12:45pm

Sooo I knew the frames had a week spot. But 4 of them? Could someone tell me what those 4 are?

Pull link (fixed)Headset cracking which is often you see the top tube around the headset crack. Seat tube rocker pivotSeat tube BB junctionDown tube bottle bosses also...

Pull link (fixed)

Headset cracking which is often you see the top tube around the headset crack. 

Seat tube rocker pivot

Seat tube BB junction

Down tube bottle bosses also fails. 

@Nobble is correct in that most of these are "fixed" with newer frames, except the head tube, which still cracks. 

Nobody really makes carbon frames as light as the Enduro anymore, I think all brands (except Scott) just put heaps of extra carbon in to account for manufacturing tolerances in the far east. I'm sure if Spec or any of the brands made their carbon frames in house to very high standards you wouldn't see these failure rates, it's just an intersection of design and QC/manufacturing standard not having enough tolerance. All it takes is 1 void and your frame can be toast. 

My headset cracked… got a new s-works frame, really quick. After a year my seatstay broke in two pices. Got a new seatstay after three weeks. And last week my chainstay broke also…. I‘ll get a new one. Likely I still have my old frame and I switched the stays till I got the new one. 
Just for info: S-Works enduro frame S3 3.200g w/o anything on it. Can‘t compare if it‘s heave or not. 
Three major failures is too much altough the warrenty was excellent. I still anoyed that it breaks, i think these things aren‘t allowed to break. 

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7/21/2024 1:45pm Edited Date/Time 7/21/2024 1:45pm
Scontoni wrote:
I have definitely not heard anything about the new Trek Slash+ being released on the 26th of July with the new TQ 580Wh, SRAM Maven's on...

I have definitely not heard anything about the new Trek Slash+ being released on the 26th of July with the new TQ 580Wh, SRAM Maven's on the SRAM spec, weighing 20.9kg / 46lbs in size medium and the 9.9 XO AXS build pricing the same as the non-e Slash 9.9 XX AXS 

Was secretly hoping tq was going to release a more powerful version of the HPR50 in the same size package for the Slash E. That would be a perfect bike with 70ish NM. 

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7/21/2024 2:26pm
Scontoni wrote:
I have definitely not heard anything about the new Trek Slash+ being released on the 26th of July with the new TQ 580Wh, SRAM Maven's on...

I have definitely not heard anything about the new Trek Slash+ being released on the 26th of July with the new TQ 580Wh, SRAM Maven's on the SRAM spec, weighing 20.9kg / 46lbs in size medium and the 9.9 XO AXS build pricing the same as the non-e Slash 9.9 XX AXS 

B Rabbit wrote:
Was secretly hoping tq was going to release a more powerful version of the HPR50 in the same size package for the Slash E. That would...

Was secretly hoping tq was going to release a more powerful version of the HPR50 in the same size package for the Slash E. That would be a perfect bike with 70ish NM. 

Same. I'd be surprised if it gets a battery that large without some sort of bump in the output...

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Primoz wrote:

EX 1750 is going to a blast from the past. Google it. 

Sure but realistically, where would a modern EX1750 sit in the catalogue?

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7/21/2024 6:29pm

Okay I see. Didnt know about the problems with the Enduro. 
But I also have to ask, why does everyone want an update so badly? What would they include on the future Enduro that they could actually improve upon so greatly that after the honey moon phase of riding the new bike, youd think its doing something more special/improved?

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Okay I see. Didnt know about the problems with the Enduro. But I also have to ask, why does everyone want an update so badly? What would...

Okay I see. Didnt know about the problems with the Enduro. 
But I also have to ask, why does everyone want an update so badly? What would they include on the future Enduro that they could actually improve upon so greatly that after the honey moon phase of riding the new bike, youd think its doing something more special/improved?

Steeper seat tube angle and adjustable geo like the Stumpy Evo would be nice. 

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7/21/2024 9:19pm Edited Date/Time 7/21/2024 9:20pm

Local Bike Shop confirmed that a new Santa Cruz Hightower model is due at the end of the year, with only details being that its 7mm more travel in the rear and 10mm more in the front (seems like Megatower territory). Anyone else heard/seen any other news? Contemplating the current model as the travel seemed perfect for me 150/145. 

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7/21/2024 10:03pm
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Local Bike Shop confirmed that a new Santa Cruz Hightower model is due at the end of the year, with only details being that its 7mm...

Local Bike Shop confirmed that a new Santa Cruz Hightower model is due at the end of the year, with only details being that its 7mm more travel in the rear and 10mm more in the front (seems like Megatower territory). Anyone else heard/seen any other news? Contemplating the current model as the travel seemed perfect for me 150/145. 

I’ve read somewhere that Hightower and Bronson update will come before end of summer. The shock tunnel and bb area will be “pretty” different and something more. 

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Okay I see. Didnt know about the problems with the Enduro. But I also have to ask, why does everyone want an update so badly? What would...

Okay I see. Didnt know about the problems with the Enduro. 
But I also have to ask, why does everyone want an update so badly? What would they include on the future Enduro that they could actually improve upon so greatly that after the honey moon phase of riding the new bike, youd think its doing something more special/improved?

I personally don't feel like a totally new Enduro is necessary, but if some kind of mullet setting isn't available on the stock bike, that will be a big mistake and hurt sales. 

The bike isn't even the first choice of the factory team in its namesake series, so realistically, they're not going to rush a new version to market anyways. If anything, the next version will come out once they iron out all the details of the new Kenevo SL, ala Trek Fuel EXE and Fuel EX, IMO.

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7/21/2024 10:26pm

Just confirmed the slash+ is very real, seen on shop computer as above the details are correct. No date on it so he was telling everyone

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7/21/2024 10:42pm

Just confirmed the slash+ is very real, seen on shop computer as above the details are correct. No date on it so he was telling everyone

4 more days

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7/21/2024 10:59pm

anyone going to drop a photo of the Slash+???

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7/21/2024 11:07pm

Does anyone have any information about the WeAreOne DH bike? It looks pretty production ready

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7/21/2024 11:27pm
Scontoni wrote:
I have definitely not heard anything about the new Trek Slash+ being released on the 26th of July with the new TQ 580Wh, SRAM Maven's on...

I have definitely not heard anything about the new Trek Slash+ being released on the 26th of July with the new TQ 580Wh, SRAM Maven's on the SRAM spec, weighing 20.9kg / 46lbs in size medium and the 9.9 XO AXS build pricing the same as the non-e Slash 9.9 XX AXS 

B Rabbit wrote:
Was secretly hoping tq was going to release a more powerful version of the HPR50 in the same size package for the Slash E. That would...

Was secretly hoping tq was going to release a more powerful version of the HPR50 in the same size package for the Slash E. That would be a perfect bike with 70ish NM. 

WarrenB wrote:

Same. I'd be surprised if it gets a battery that large without some sort of bump in the output...

Still running the HPR50 motor

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7/22/2024 12:52am
habaden wrote:

Does anyone have any information about the WeAreOne DH bike? It looks pretty production ready

I thought it (the original prototype) was using the arrival frame with custom links and they bolt the shock into the downtube? Has it been updated at all?

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I personally don't feel like a totally new Enduro is necessary, but if some kind of mullet setting isn't available on the stock bike, that will...

I personally don't feel like a totally new Enduro is necessary, but if some kind of mullet setting isn't available on the stock bike, that will be a big mistake and hurt sales. 

The bike isn't even the first choice of the factory team in its namesake series, so realistically, they're not going to rush a new version to market anyways. If anything, the next version will come out once they iron out all the details of the new Kenevo SL, ala Trek Fuel EXE and Fuel EX, IMO.

Current enduro is more mini dh than actual enduro bike, its super capable but its too much of a bike for a regular day out and the fact that even factory team does not race with it tells you enough. Before they had stumpjumper evo to fill the gap but with new stumpjumper that gap is even wider now so it makes sense to bring enduro back to full enduro :D 

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I personally don't feel like a totally new Enduro is necessary, but if some kind of mullet setting isn't available on the stock bike, that will...

I personally don't feel like a totally new Enduro is necessary, but if some kind of mullet setting isn't available on the stock bike, that will be a big mistake and hurt sales. 

The bike isn't even the first choice of the factory team in its namesake series, so realistically, they're not going to rush a new version to market anyways. If anything, the next version will come out once they iron out all the details of the new Kenevo SL, ala Trek Fuel EXE and Fuel EX, IMO.

Karabuka wrote:
Current enduro is more mini dh than actual enduro bike, its super capable but its too much of a bike for a regular day out and...

Current enduro is more mini dh than actual enduro bike, its super capable but its too much of a bike for a regular day out and the fact that even factory team does not race with it tells you enough. Before they had stumpjumper evo to fill the gap but with new stumpjumper that gap is even wider now so it makes sense to bring enduro back to full enduro :D 

It's a 170mm bike with leverage progression in the 20s, like almost every other enduro bike out there.  The marketing department made a song and dance about its axle path but even its anti-squat isn't unusual.

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7/22/2024 3:31am
habaden wrote:

Does anyone have any information about the WeAreOne DH bike? It looks pretty production ready

I thought it (the original prototype) was using the arrival frame with custom links and they bolt the shock into the downtube? Has it been updated...

I thought it (the original prototype) was using the arrival frame with custom links and they bolt the shock into the downtube? Has it been updated at all?

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sequence-downhill-bike-crankworx-les-gets-2018.html

Technically this one would be the original and it's not an Arrival frame. Believe this dude went to go work at WA1, so the design pretty much is a couple years old

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7/22/2024 6:35am
habaden wrote:

Does anyone have any information about the WeAreOne DH bike? It looks pretty production ready

I thought it (the original prototype) was using the arrival frame with custom links and they bolt the shock into the downtube? Has it been updated...

I thought it (the original prototype) was using the arrival frame with custom links and they bolt the shock into the downtube? Has it been updated at all?

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sequence-downhill-bike-crankworx-les-gets-2018.htmlTechnically this one would be the original and it's not an Arrival frame. Believe this dude went to go work at WA1, so the design...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sequence-downhill-bike-crankworx-les-gets-2018.html

Technically this one would be the original and it's not an Arrival frame. Believe this dude went to go work at WA1, so the design pretty much is a couple years old

Lots of detail in this Downtime w/ Dustin Adams: https://www.downtimepodcast.com/project-momentum/

Bike stuff starts around 15:00

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