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Steel wins. Recyclable and easily repair, with a lower initial carbon footprint.

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Carbon will never be a realistic "recyclable" material, aluminum and steel are much more recyclable. Most aluminum and steel is close to 75% recycled because its easy and cheap.  

And no we wont figure out how to make it reasonable to recycle carbon, if we haven't done that with plastic its not going to happen with carbon. 

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Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

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6/19/2024 6:30am
nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I think bike co ops and good bike shops will if you write off the frame and bring it in for inspection or replacement/donation. 

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6/19/2024 7:30am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2024 7:32am
nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

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nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to be separated into different metals and recycled. Scrap metal is worth money.

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6/19/2024 7:52am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2024 7:53am
nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Where are you disposing old frames?
 

In Australia our local tip has metals recycling and you just throw it in the correct metal pile, aluminium recycling rates around the world are between 30%-75%. Because it requires only 10% of the energy to re-smelt aluminium its one of the few metals worth recycling, as energy is the primary cost of it. 

I'd be surprised in America if you couldn't send it somewhere, as the industry globally recycles aluminium packaging, as its financially valuable to do so (unlike carbon or many many other materials).

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6/19/2024 8:33am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2024 8:38am

I used to seperate out all aluminium and steel waste into 2 seperate bins and when they were full take them to the recycling/scrap dealer in town.
I used to get good money (a long time ago) but kept doing it when prices dropped to zero.

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Our local trash convenience sites have metal scrap dumpsters couldn't be any easier to get rid of aluminum/steel. 

If you had a big enough pile of aluminum frames you could take to an actual scrapyard and get a few bucks. 

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nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Thats on you then,

There has always been, and always be, scrap yards that will happily take your steel or alu bikes, strip them down, and recycle them.  Just the same as cars, appliances, construction materials, etc.

Realistically, bikes getting sold, and turned over to multiple owners is the best possible scenario.  We often forget the hierarchy Reduce, Re-use, Recycle

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Onawalk wrote:
Thats on you then, There has always been, and always be, scrap yards that will happily take your steel or alu bikes, strip them down, and...

Thats on you then,

There has always been, and always be, scrap yards that will happily take your steel or alu bikes, strip them down, and recycle them.  Just the same as cars, appliances, construction materials, etc.

Realistically, bikes getting sold, and turned over to multiple owners is the best possible scenario.  We often forget the hierarchy Reduce, Re-use, Recycle

It is actually Refuse, Reduce, Re-use, Recycle

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6/19/2024 8:55am
nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

This is the correct answer. Even the cracked Kona frames I had I sold to someone who "was going to fix it" but more than likely just strip it for parts. Has anyone in this thread ever actually disposed of a bike frame before?

Even my carbon road bike that got hit by a car (while I was on it) I have in the shed as a keepsake, despite being a crumpled ball of carbon and plastic. 

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please keep it tech rumors only and your frame material religion out of here, thx!

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nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Counterpoint: I worked as a mechanic for 26 years, and every single shop I worked for recycled aluminum and steel frames, rims, spokes, and assorted components.

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Joy - this is now a thread about recycling. FFS. 

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Just to bring it back to tech rumors. I saw knolly post a story about a new bike coming on the 26th. Looks like it might be a mullet with longer travel. Any guesses what? New Warden?

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6/19/2024 10:21am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2024 10:23am
nskerb wrote:
Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands...

Aluminum is recyclable but do AL bikes ever actually get recycled? I think every bike bike ever ends up getting resold & ultimately in the hands of a random tweaker then ends it’s life either in a landfill or at the bottom of a body of water lol. 
 

Has anybody ever actually taken a bike to a scrap yard?

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Finkill wrote:
Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to...

Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to be separated into different metals and recycled. Scrap metal is worth money.

In the US I've never seen that. It could be happening depending on the individual shop being willing to take on the additional costs, but it is definitely not the norm in my area. 

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I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Finkill wrote:
Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to...

Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to be separated into different metals and recycled. Scrap metal is worth money.

In the US I've never seen that. It could be happening depending on the individual shop being willing to take on the additional costs, but it...

In the US I've never seen that. It could be happening depending on the individual shop being willing to take on the additional costs, but it is definitely not the norm in my area. 

Every bike shop I've worked at in the US has had an aluminum and a steel bin to take to the srapyard.

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In the US I've never seen that. It could be happening depending on the individual shop being willing to take on the additional costs, but it...

In the US I've never seen that. It could be happening depending on the individual shop being willing to take on the additional costs, but it is definitely not the norm in my area. 

Maybe it's different in the US, here in the UK money from the scrapyard is a perk, provided you have a little room for storage there are no additional costs apart from time.

I've personally taken at least 3 frames to the scrapyard, plus various components. They are for sure being recycled, those companies wouldn't pay me money for that metal in order to just throw it away.

We also have people in vans driving around most towns looking for scrap metal in order to weigh it in and get paid for it. 

 

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C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never...

I've seen zero evidence of aluminum frames being recycled. I ran bike shops for 10 years and never saw a recycling program. I still have never seen a hint of a recycling program, not at local shops and not at manufacturers.  There is no link on manufacturer websites to "recycle your aluminum frame here" .

Aluminum is recyclable, but with no public easily accessable way to do it, the rate of it actually happening is likely close to zero. 

 

Finkill wrote:
Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to...

Pretty much every bike shop I've seen in the UK will have metal waste bins, separate from the general waste. This is then taken off to be separated into different metals and recycled. Scrap metal is worth money.

In the US I've never seen that. It could be happening depending on the individual shop being willing to take on the additional costs, but it...

In the US I've never seen that. It could be happening depending on the individual shop being willing to take on the additional costs, but it is definitely not the norm in my area. 

really? americans not giving a shit about recycling? color me shocked!

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MauiMax wrote:
Just to bring it back to tech rumors. I saw knolly post a story about a new bike coming on the 26th. Looks like it might...

Just to bring it back to tech rumors. I saw knolly post a story about a new bike coming on the 26th. Looks like it might be a mullet with longer travel. Any guesses what? New Warden?

New Warden for sure. I wouldn't be surprised t see a little more change from the previous version than we've seen on the other gen. 6 frames. 

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dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

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6/19/2024 11:23am

New warden is a mullet and 170mm travel, with a max of 180mm in the rear.  Also there's a new delirium coming too.

Manitou forks are so far ahead of the competition.  Can't recommend them enough.  

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dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount for a while now.

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dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

dolface wrote:
I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount...

I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount for a while now.

Got on a deal for a Mezzer Exp and added the IRT. Pal recently upgraded from his factory 38 to a Mezz Pro as a result of a couple test rides on my bike. Hayes/Manitou have been on a tear the last 5 years.

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dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

Rumor is new Mara Pro coming soon, maybe a new Mezzer to go with it? 

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dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

dolface wrote:
I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount...

I have the new Mattoc Pro and I freakin' love it, best-feeling fork I've ever ridden and yes, Mezzer is due too, been on deep discount for a while now.

I know i finally got some Dominions and daaaaaaayummmm, that control but also they grab like crazy. And my hands aren't tired even on long steeps. This is coming from XT's.

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dolface wrote:
C'mon folks, let's get this back on track: New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel...

C'mon folks, let's get this back on track:

New R7 XC fork from Manitou coming on July 4th? Kazimir looks to have it on his Chisel build on PB and the Rockrider/Ford team have (likely) been running it for while. Anyone know anything more? Hoping it'll go up to 130mm...

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Losifer wrote:
Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things...

Manitou seems to be producing some great stuff lately. I personally haven't ridden one of their forks in about a decade, but I hear good things.

The Mezzer is on deep discount, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an update there as well.

Rumor is new Mara Pro coming soon, maybe a new Mezzer to go with it? 

Buddy of mine tried buying the Mara (not pro with piggyback) and they said they said "we won't be getting any more of those in stock, stay tuned". 

Either discontinuing them or updating them. 

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Buddy of mine tried buying the Mara (not pro with piggyback) and they said they said "we won't be getting any more of those in stock...

Buddy of mine tried buying the Mara (not pro with piggyback) and they said they said "we won't be getting any more of those in stock, stay tuned". 

Either discontinuing them or updating them. 

The Mara and Mara Pro use a fixed negative spring pressure, and every review I've read has pointed to that as a glaring flaw in an otherwise decent shock package. I doubt sales have been strong for either shock, and I would not be surprised if Manitou introduced an updated version with a self-equalizing (or at least adjustable) air spring.

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