Tendons and muscles may, but nerves won't. If you are having grip weakness or dexterity problems in your hand then you need to take time off to let it heal and see a doctor. Nerve shit escalates big time and I think most peoples hand related issues stem from nerve problems due to improper ergonomics and bike setup.
What's old is new again. Or is it what's new was once old. Something like that. Instead of creating an historical tech thread, I'll just put this here.
I hope they don’t,
transmission is the most overhyped product in the market right now
ultra expensive, heavy and slow
the old cable eagle does everything...
I hope they don’t,
transmission is the most overhyped product in the market right now
ultra expensive, heavy and slow
the old cable eagle does everything at a fraction of the price and weight
For instance, in the above video (link has timestamp) they were testing the climbing times of high powered ebikes (Rocky Mountain won, I love their approach to ebike motors). The Transmission equipped ebikes were slower because of the non-trivial delay in shifting.
I' actually surprised that companies like e*13, OneUp, Garbaruk, etc haven't made a machined replacement for the top portion of traditional derailleurs to use the T-type mount, allowing for hanger-free Shimano shifting. Maybe without the "clutch" allowing the derailleur to move inwards from a strike its not worth it.
Nothing prevents a cable actuated derailleur from moving inwards if it's hit from the side... No clutches needed.
As for Transmission shifting and ebikes, as much as I don't like the ergonomics of Shimano shifters, boy is it smooth when shifting under (full ebike) power. They did something right there. And it's been out for what, 5 years now?
I just want brakes that aren't messy to bleed, easy to service, available internal parts (with documentation), pads that don't squeal but last longer than 10...
I just want brakes that aren't messy to bleed, easy to service, available internal parts (with documentation), pads that don't squeal but last longer than 10 rides or 1 day in a park, and doesn't take a DEng to setup.
Hoping to see these brands entering the MTB stopper market bring the noise.
It was a good few years ago when Matt Simmonds was developing this (with the seperate damper/ spring set up). Chatted to Matt about it and had a roll around the car park (on the bike....not Matt). Super interesting but don't think it was ever meant for production.
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
From my experience a more compliant handlebar does reduce hand fatigue and improves grip reliability (my hand moved on/over/off the grip less). For what it's worth...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
From my experience a more compliant handlebar does reduce hand fatigue and improves grip reliability (my hand moved on/over/off the grip less). For what it's worth...
Agreed there. OneUp Components and Race Face Era carbon bars have eliminated basically all of the issues that I had after breaking the same wrist twice. Was using another brands carbon bars before this and constantly had pain and claw hand during bike park season, switched to OneUp and it was all gone just about immediately. The Race Face Era bars are on one of my bikes now and have been good to me so far, if you want a bar wiith a little more backsweep and rise.
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
From my experience a more compliant handlebar does reduce hand fatigue and improves grip reliability (my hand moved on/over/off the grip less). For what it's worth...
Agreed there. OneUp Components and Race Face Era carbon bars have eliminated basically all of the issues that I had after breaking the same wrist twice...
Agreed there. OneUp Components and Race Face Era carbon bars have eliminated basically all of the issues that I had after breaking the same wrist twice. Was using another brands carbon bars before this and constantly had pain and claw hand during bike park season, switched to OneUp and it was all gone just about immediately. The Race Face Era bars are on one of my bikes now and have been good to me so far, if you want a bar wiith a little more backsweep and rise.
Another option (much cheaper as well) is to install full silicone grips. They have more soft material for vibration dampening compared to lock on grips.
Wolf Tooth has a great selection of sizes and shapes.
Another option (much cheaper as well) is to install full silicone grips. They have more soft material for vibration dampening compared to lock on grips.
Wolf...
Another option (much cheaper as well) is to install full silicone grips. They have more soft material for vibration dampening compared to lock on grips.
Wolf Tooth has a great selection of sizes and shapes.
From my experience a more compliant handlebar does reduce hand fatigue and improves grip reliability (my hand moved on/over/off the grip less). For what it's worth...
In college I rode hammered grips and poort bled brakes because I was poor and felt it was cool to "suffer" and just lazy. After growing up, I've come to realize that details matter. Lots of small things add up. Minor adjustments to lever position, grips, bar backsweep & roll, well bled brakes, a fork that has at some point in its life actually been serviced, proper tire pressure, etc all add up to a huge difference.
As much as I love my Oneup bars and revgrips, there is no magic bullet or single solution to most things in life, hand fatigue included.
Nothing prevents a cable actuated derailleur from moving inwards if it's hit from the side... No clutches needed.
As for Transmission shifting and ebikes, as much...
Nothing prevents a cable actuated derailleur from moving inwards if it's hit from the side... No clutches needed.
As for Transmission shifting and ebikes, as much as I don't like the ergonomics of Shimano shifters, boy is it smooth when shifting under (full ebike) power. They did something right there. And it's been out for what, 5 years now?
If I hit my xt m8100 hard on a rock and I'm in a high gear, the only way its going to move inwards is for the cable to snap. The Transmission has a clutch that allows it to move without breaking gears or the motor
Another option (much cheaper as well) is to install full silicone grips. They have more soft material for vibration dampening compared to lock on grips.
Wolf...
Another option (much cheaper as well) is to install full silicone grips. They have more soft material for vibration dampening compared to lock on grips.
Wolf Tooth has a great selection of sizes and shapes.
For instance, in the above video (link has timestamp) they were testing the climbing times of high powered ebikes (Rocky Mountain won, I love their approach to ebike motors). The Transmission equipped ebikes were slower because of the non-trivial delay in shifting.
I' actually surprised that companies like e*13, OneUp, Garbaruk, etc haven't made a machined replacement for the top portion of traditional derailleurs to use the T-type mount, allowing for hanger-free Shimano shifting. Maybe without the "clutch" allowing the derailleur to move inwards from a strike its not worth it.
Lol no one mentioned the main point/thought??? I brought up about”CLIP-IN” grips in my last post. I appreciate the tips, a little ibuprofen helped a lot. I’m always looking for the most optimum setup. I was running Oneup aluminum bars 35mm rise. Perfectly bled and bedded Shigura’s w/new rotors/pads. My ERA fork worked amazingly on day one then began to give up the bath oil thru the seals afterwards and performance seemed to suffer after that. May have just been me tho too. I haven’t been on the bike much so hand fatigue wasn’t surprising
black calipers as well. Only difference is titanium hardware on the ultimate I think so maybe they just switched that out because the black goes...
black calipers as well. Only difference is titanium hardware on the ultimate I think so maybe they just switched that out because the black goes better with the frame
I kinda like it. I wonder if it will ever be on the market.
Haha saw that one on Fanatik. They took it down in less than 12hrs.
Doesn’t seem like it’s even worth upgrading because it’s only the damper to be honest.
Might upgrade after I bend the damper shaft on my current one lmao.
Another option (much cheaper as well) is to install full silicone grips. They have more soft material for vibration dampening compared to lock on grips.
Wolf...
Another option (much cheaper as well) is to install full silicone grips. They have more soft material for vibration dampening compared to lock on grips.
Wolf Tooth has a great selection of sizes and shapes.
Nothing prevents a cable actuated derailleur from moving inwards if it's hit from the side... No clutches needed.
As for Transmission shifting and ebikes, as much...
Nothing prevents a cable actuated derailleur from moving inwards if it's hit from the side... No clutches needed.
As for Transmission shifting and ebikes, as much as I don't like the ergonomics of Shimano shifters, boy is it smooth when shifting under (full ebike) power. They did something right there. And it's been out for what, 5 years now?
If I hit my xt m8100 hard on a rock and I'm in a high gear, the only way its going to move inwards is for...
If I hit my xt m8100 hard on a rock and I'm in a high gear, the only way its going to move inwards is for the cable to snap. The Transmission has a clutch that allows it to move without breaking gears or the motor
Think it through once more. Last I checked Shimano's RapidRise derailleurs died a deserved death almost 20 years ago and are the only ones where your explanation is actually correct. In all other cases (on derailleurs where you PULL the derailleur towards larger cogs, so inwards) you're just going to slacken off the cable. The only thing prevent the derailleur from coming inwards under a hit is the top pulley hitting the cassette (which wasn't a problem until X-horizon 1x11 Sram derailleurs and Shimano nearly horizontal 12spd stuff).
If you don't believe me, go to your bike, put it in the 10T cog and push the derailleur inwards. There isn't even any resistance like there probably is with a clutch
Kudos to Sram's marketing department though, they really sold this clutch thingie like it's the bees knees
For instance, in the above video (link has timestamp) they were testing the climbing times of high powered ebikes (Rocky Mountain won, I love their approach to ebike motors). The Transmission equipped ebikes were slower because of the non-trivial delay in shifting.
I' actually surprised that companies like e*13, OneUp, Garbaruk, etc haven't made a machined replacement for the top portion of traditional derailleurs to use the T-type mount, allowing for hanger-free Shimano shifting. Maybe without the "clutch" allowing the derailleur to move inwards from a strike its not worth it.
just so it's on the record (again), when transmission dropped, on that very day, we showed that shifting was slower than previous axs. - https://youtu.be/ooilfJ2SEiQ?si=3HzuoD9OusEMyaeJ&t=691
go to...
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was...
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.
For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer...
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer lighter compression as well.
Question still stands - how is it that every two years there are updated compression tunes. This applies to RS and the latest Fox Grip X2. Why can't they get it right the first time.
I am not fast, nor a pro, and I cannot ride with open conpression, but others seem to prefer that. In the last 10 years I almost quit riding a couple of times, thinking that I forget how to ride. Brands going to the extremes with their tunning seems insane to me, let people have options
Tendons and muscles may, but nerves won't. If you are having grip weakness or dexterity problems in your hand then you need to take time off to let it heal and see a doctor. Nerve shit escalates big time and I think most peoples hand related issues stem from nerve problems due to improper ergonomics and bike setup.
What's old is new again. Or is it what's new was once old. Something like that. Instead of creating an historical tech thread, I'll just put this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUi0PMG503g
It's a restoration video of a hand shift, in frame gearbox bike from the 30's. He makes great use of the third hand tool around the thirty min mark.
Nothing prevents a cable actuated derailleur from moving inwards if it's hit from the side... No clutches needed.
As for Transmission shifting and ebikes, as much as I don't like the ergonomics of Shimano shifters, boy is it smooth when shifting under (full ebike) power. They did something right there. And it's been out for what, 5 years now?
Have you heard of Intend?
For those who don't have a microscope
Cannondale DH Proto at Hardline.
I thought they benched these?
It was a good few years ago when Matt Simmonds was developing this (with the seperate damper/ spring set up). Chatted to Matt about it and had a roll around the car park (on the bike....not Matt). Super interesting but don't think it was ever meant for production.
From my experience a more compliant handlebar does reduce hand fatigue and improves grip reliability (my hand moved on/over/off the grip less). For what it's worth...
Agreed there. OneUp Components and Race Face Era carbon bars have eliminated basically all of the issues that I had after breaking the same wrist twice. Was using another brands carbon bars before this and constantly had pain and claw hand during bike park season, switched to OneUp and it was all gone just about immediately. The Race Face Era bars are on one of my bikes now and have been good to me so far, if you want a bar wiith a little more backsweep and rise.
FYI, OneUp at 20 mm rise is just about exactly as stiff as a 35 mm Turbine R in aluminium is under a static load.
Looks exactly (on the surface at least) like the black version Simmonds was testing/developing. Even has the 2 mount points for the second shock.
Josh was asked about the bike, and he said it's the prototype and is an XL. Also said it's long and low.
Wonder if it's the same bike with a cool paint job. Or a tweaked version for Josh to help develop?
New Frameworks proto?
Could only find it in this story (didn't screenshot all the slides): https://www.instagram.com/stories/prosisemetalworks/3378705691127222278/
Another option (much cheaper as well) is to install full silicone grips. They have more soft material for vibration dampening compared to lock on grips.
Wolf Tooth has a great selection of sizes and shapes.
Bike Grips and Bar Tape – Wolf Tooth (wolftoothcomponents.com)
DAMPING!
In college I rode hammered grips and poort bled brakes because I was poor and felt it was cool to "suffer" and just lazy. After growing up, I've come to realize that details matter. Lots of small things add up. Minor adjustments to lever position, grips, bar backsweep & roll, well bled brakes, a fork that has at some point in its life actually been serviced, proper tire pressure, etc all add up to a huge difference.
As much as I love my Oneup bars and revgrips, there is no magic bullet or single solution to most things in life, hand fatigue included.
If I hit my xt m8100 hard on a rock and I'm in a high gear, the only way its going to move inwards is for the cable to snap. The Transmission has a clutch that allows it to move without breaking gears or the motor
Silicone feels wet, so...
Do dead hangs from a pull up bar. Improves your grip strength.
just so it's on the record (again), when transmission dropped, on that very day, we showed that shifting was slower than previous axs. - https://youtu.be/ooilfJ2SEiQ?si=3HzuoD9OusEMyaeJ&t=691
go to 11:31 in the video
Silicone grips are great for damping but terrible for dampening.
Lol no one mentioned the main point/thought??? I brought up about”CLIP-IN” grips in my last post. I appreciate the tips, a little ibuprofen helped a lot. I’m always looking for the most optimum setup. I was running Oneup aluminum bars 35mm rise. Perfectly bled and bedded Shigura’s w/new rotors/pads. My ERA fork worked amazingly on day one then began to give up the bath oil thru the seals afterwards and performance seemed to suffer after that. May have just been me tho too. I haven’t been on the bike much so hand fatigue wasn’t surprising
I kinda like it. I wonder if it will ever be on the market.
Haha saw that one on Fanatik. They took it down in less than 12hrs.
Doesn’t seem like it’s even worth upgrading because it’s only the damper to be honest.
Might upgrade after I bend the damper shaft on my current one lmao.
Think it through once more. Last I checked Shimano's RapidRise derailleurs died a deserved death almost 20 years ago and are the only ones where your explanation is actually correct. In all other cases (on derailleurs where you PULL the derailleur towards larger cogs, so inwards) you're just going to slacken off the cable. The only thing prevent the derailleur from coming inwards under a hit is the top pulley hitting the cassette (which wasn't a problem until X-horizon 1x11 Sram derailleurs and Shimano nearly horizontal 12spd stuff).
If you don't believe me, go to your bike, put it in the 10T cog and push the derailleur inwards. There isn't even any resistance like there probably is with a clutch
Kudos to Sram's marketing department though, they really sold this clutch thingie like it's the bees knees
it's still heavy, overpriced and deralieur shit themselves randomly and stop working, indestructible my ass
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-13-speed-axs-xplr-gravel-groups…
Seems like someone spoiled the launch.. Or at least I didn't find any info on instagram or their website.
But SCOR is apparently launching the 6080Z e-freeride machine.
https://bornmagazin.ch/news/the-all-new-scor-6080-z
I am not fast, nor a pro, and I cannot ride with open conpression, but others seem to prefer that. In the last 10 years I almost quit riding a couple of times, thinking that I forget how to ride. Brands going to the extremes with their tunning seems insane to me, let people have options