Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
Hell no. Sounds like a great way to increase risk of injury with very little benefit. I get a pro fanagling thru an injury to minimize position loss in the standings. But makes very little sense in any other situation.
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
Hell no. Sounds like a great way to increase risk of injury with very little benefit. I get a pro fanagling thru an injury to minimize...
Hell no. Sounds like a great way to increase risk of injury with very little benefit. I get a pro fanagling thru an injury to minimize position loss in the standings. But makes very little sense in any other situation.
Some fresh grips for early season could be the move instead, that or some different diameter/compound grips.
Clip-in grips? Sounds like an April fools gag. Grip-Gloves. Groves? Grips with the gloves molded into it. Free floating neoprene index finger sheath for ultimate grip on the brake lever, with bonus of marinating in your own hand sweat.
Clip-in grips? Sounds like an April fools gag. Grip-Gloves. Groves? Grips with the gloves molded into it. Free floating neoprene index finger sheath for ultimate grip...
Clip-in grips? Sounds like an April fools gag. Grip-Gloves. Groves? Grips with the gloves molded into it. Free floating neoprene index finger sheath for ultimate grip on the brake lever, with bonus of marinating in your own hand sweat.
There was a similar concept from Pearl Izumi 20+ years ago, Greptile grip and bar tape that matched up to gloves using a 3M manufactured material on both items. When matched up between glove and grip they had a low power almost hook and loop feel to them that had extra grip but allowed the rider to reposition their hands if needed. Needless to say it was a commercial flop.
I hope they don’t,
transmission is the most overhyped product in the market right now
ultra expensive, heavy and slow
the old cable eagle does everything...
I hope they don’t,
transmission is the most overhyped product in the market right now
ultra expensive, heavy and slow
the old cable eagle does everything at a fraction of the price and weight
So when transmission dropped, all everyone could talk about was how fast the shifting was. Then, once the hype died down, truth started to leak out.
For instance, in the above video (link has timestamp) they were testing the climbing times of high powered ebikes (Rocky Mountain won, I love their approach to ebike motors). The Transmission equipped ebikes were slower because of the non-trivial delay in shifting.
I' actually surprised that companies like e*13, OneUp, Garbaruk, etc haven't made a machined replacement for the top portion of traditional derailleurs to use the T-type mount, allowing for hanger-free Shimano shifting. Maybe without the "clutch" allowing the derailleur to move inwards from a strike its not worth it.
I hope they don’t,
transmission is the most overhyped product in the market right now
ultra expensive, heavy and slow
the old cable eagle does everything...
I hope they don’t,
transmission is the most overhyped product in the market right now
ultra expensive, heavy and slow
the old cable eagle does everything at a fraction of the price and weight
For instance, in the above video (link has timestamp) they were testing the climbing times of high powered ebikes (Rocky Mountain won, I love their approach to ebike motors). The Transmission equipped ebikes were slower because of the non-trivial delay in shifting.
I' actually surprised that companies like e*13, OneUp, Garbaruk, etc haven't made a machined replacement for the top portion of traditional derailleurs to use the T-type mount, allowing for hanger-free Shimano shifting. Maybe without the "clutch" allowing the derailleur to move inwards from a strike its not worth it.
I would think Sram probably put a patent blocking that (other companies making a direct mount to the UDH interface) . That being said, I think a cabled version of Transmission would be pretty awesome. Riding in NJ has been tough on hangers, so I do have transmission on my trailbike - it would be nice to never have to worry about charging the battery if there's a cable version.
For instance, in the above video (link has timestamp) they were testing the climbing times of high powered ebikes (Rocky Mountain won, I love their approach to ebike motors). The Transmission equipped ebikes were slower because of the non-trivial delay in shifting.
I' actually surprised that companies like e*13, OneUp, Garbaruk, etc haven't made a machined replacement for the top portion of traditional derailleurs to use the T-type mount, allowing for hanger-free Shimano shifting. Maybe without the "clutch" allowing the derailleur to move inwards from a strike its not worth it.
I haven’t watched the linked video yet, but I have to say; Who cares how fast it shifts?
Having T type on an Ebike is beneficial because it knows where to put the chain at the right time. If you accidentally forget you’re in a high-power mode and ham-fist a shift, you’re not going to snap your chain or cassette or worse…
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
Hell no. Sounds like a great way to increase risk of injury with very little benefit. I get a pro fanagling thru an injury to minimize...
Hell no. Sounds like a great way to increase risk of injury with very little benefit. I get a pro fanagling thru an injury to minimize position loss in the standings. But makes very little sense in any other situation.
Some fresh grips for early season could be the move instead, that or some different diameter/compound grips.
Some fresh grips for early season could be the move instead, that or some different diameter/compound grips.
You also may benefit from changing your handlebars to something that allows a little more flex (i.e., OneUp handlebars, PNW Loam bar are also compliant), or a smaller diameter handlebar.
Clip-in grips? Sounds like an April fools gag. Grip-Gloves. Groves? Grips with the gloves molded into it. Free floating neoprene index finger sheath for ultimate grip...
Clip-in grips? Sounds like an April fools gag. Grip-Gloves. Groves? Grips with the gloves molded into it. Free floating neoprene index finger sheath for ultimate grip on the brake lever, with bonus of marinating in your own hand sweat.
clip in grips were definitely an april fools gag many years ago, i wanna say 10-15+?
I haven’t watched the linked video yet, but I have to say; Who cares how fast it shifts?
Having T type on an Ebike is...
I haven’t watched the linked video yet, but I have to say; Who cares how fast it shifts?
Having T type on an Ebike is beneficial because it knows where to put the chain at the right time. If you accidentally forget you’re in a high-power mode and ham-fist a shift, you’re not going to snap your chain or cassette or worse…
For an ebike, shifting delays really suck. For a traditional bike, shifting delays really suck.
Transmission, when paired with Sram's ebike motor (rebranded Brose) will likely reduce wear on your chain & cassette, but I don't think its worth the added weight, cost, complexity, and laggy shifts.
For an ebike, shifting delays really suck. For a traditional bike, shifting delays really suck.
Transmission, when paired with Sram's ebike motor (rebranded Brose) will likely...
For an ebike, shifting delays really suck. For a traditional bike, shifting delays really suck.
Transmission, when paired with Sram's ebike motor (rebranded Brose) will likely reduce wear on your chain & cassette, but I don't think its worth the added weight, cost, complexity, and laggy shifts.
I’ve had my transmission bike for a few weeks and I have to say I can’t really relate to what you’re saying. The shifting is on point and as fast as I could ever need it.
If you’re talking about a pro level racer, maybe rapid shifting comes in to play more than the average consumer. I definitely wouldn’t call it laggy.
Also, I didn’t really say wear and tear. I meant a catastrophic event. All of us in here have probably ridden long enough to know that you have to let off a little bit downshifting during a climb. E bikes really don’t do that. If you forget and decide to grab three or four gears under torque, a snapped chain is likely the result. T type Minimizes the chance of that happening.
I didn’t really want a transmission drivetrain when I got this new bike, it just happened to be what it came with. I am more than pleased.
If you've only ridden transmission around in a parking lot, it seems laggy. Once you're riding it on trail and adjust to the fact that you can just hammer away at shifts whenever you want... the lag factor goes away.
I can agree that the complexity and cost is meh, arguably not worth it. If you've been riding a long time and have a well trained thumb and coordination of your thumb to briefly letting off the power... then it's not really 'needed'. I will say however, after using it for a while, you start to shift differently, potentially shift in place you otherwise wouldn't and it starts to become a notable performance advantage.
However... I am not certain that performance advantage is worth 1k to put on your bike if you have x01 mechanical say.
Anybody know anything about the new TRP levers with the bite point adjustment seen on Danny Hart's GT Fury Bike check on PB a couple of weeks ago? The article mentions how they were originally developed for an XC application, I'm assuming the unreleased ones seen in the pits recently, but those do not have the knobs. I'm thinking the new XC model does have the bite point adjust but it is actuated via a hex key to save weight and the PB photos just don't get the right angle. You can see that there is a hole in the lever blade where the knob runs through on Danny's brakes so it seems likely.
On another note, I'm surprised more brands don't include a (usable) bite-point adjust on their products. I'm definitely particular about my brake setup so it's a make or "brake" for me. It definitely doesn't seem super difficult to integrate unless you are SRAM and do their whole dial thingimabob. From what I can tell, you just need a small screw to take the slack out of the system as seen on the Hope or TRP Models. If TRP does release this lever, I'd be first in line to pick up some DHR EVO's.
I just want brakes that aren't messy to bleed, easy to service, available internal parts (with documentation), pads that don't squeal but last longer than 10 rides or 1 day in a park, and doesn't take a DEng to setup.
Hoping to see these brands entering the MTB stopper market bring the noise.
Seen before but a tad better here, Galfer masters, paired to mt7 caliper, so mineral oil, and they have some sort of sensor m10 something, anyway...
Seen before but a tad better here, Galfer masters, paired to mt7 caliper, so mineral oil, and they have some sort of sensor m10 something, anyway they took their time to make it ugly
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
I'd put more days in before you open the wallet. Early season park lapz will do that. The tendons will adjust as the season progresses
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my...
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
Tendons and muscles may, but nerves won't. If you are having grip weakness or dexterity problems in your hand then you need to take time off to let it heal and see a doctor. Nerve shit escalates big time and I think most peoples hand related issues stem from nerve problems due to improper ergonomics and bike setup.
What's old is new again. Or is it what's new was once old. Something like that. Instead of creating an historical tech thread, I'll just put this here.
I hope they don’t,
transmission is the most overhyped product in the market right now
ultra expensive, heavy and slow
the old cable eagle does everything...
I hope they don’t,
transmission is the most overhyped product in the market right now
ultra expensive, heavy and slow
the old cable eagle does everything at a fraction of the price and weight
For instance, in the above video (link has timestamp) they were testing the climbing times of high powered ebikes (Rocky Mountain won, I love their approach to ebike motors). The Transmission equipped ebikes were slower because of the non-trivial delay in shifting.
I' actually surprised that companies like e*13, OneUp, Garbaruk, etc haven't made a machined replacement for the top portion of traditional derailleurs to use the T-type mount, allowing for hanger-free Shimano shifting. Maybe without the "clutch" allowing the derailleur to move inwards from a strike its not worth it.
Nothing prevents a cable actuated derailleur from moving inwards if it's hit from the side... No clutches needed.
As for Transmission shifting and ebikes, as much as I don't like the ergonomics of Shimano shifters, boy is it smooth when shifting under (full ebike) power. They did something right there. And it's been out for what, 5 years now?
I just want brakes that aren't messy to bleed, easy to service, available internal parts (with documentation), pads that don't squeal but last longer than 10...
I just want brakes that aren't messy to bleed, easy to service, available internal parts (with documentation), pads that don't squeal but last longer than 10 rides or 1 day in a park, and doesn't take a DEng to setup.
Hoping to see these brands entering the MTB stopper market bring the noise.
It was a good few years ago when Matt Simmonds was developing this (with the seperate damper/ spring set up). Chatted to Matt about it and had a roll around the car park (on the bike....not Matt). Super interesting but don't think it was ever meant for production.
Just spent the last 3 days at Angel Fire shredding on my 160mm Hightower.. Haven’t been on the bike much prior to this trip and my fingers felt like they each had been jammed and dislocated a thousand times. So that had me pondering about “clip-in” grips.. We all remember Loris having his hand taped to the bars last year. Would any of you nerds run them if they were available and were being used on the World Cup? Surely someone is working on this.
Those 4pot braking calipers look exactly like OE Tektro. Wouldn’t be surprised if they are using them for mfg.
Hell no. Sounds like a great way to increase risk of injury with very little benefit. I get a pro fanagling thru an injury to minimize position loss in the standings. But makes very little sense in any other situation.
Clip-in grips? Sounds like an April fools gag. Grip-Gloves. Groves? Grips with the gloves molded into it. Free floating neoprene index finger sheath for ultimate grip on the brake lever, with bonus of marinating in your own hand sweat.
Try Rev grips if you’re having arm pump/ hand fatigue problems. Makes a noticeable difference
2nd from me.
And the movement they provide means less friction with your hands, so they last longer than traditional grips.
Third from me on Rev Grips. Another point is for a bike park an enduro bike is excellent but nothing beats a full on DH rig.
There was a similar concept from Pearl Izumi 20+ years ago, Greptile grip and bar tape that matched up to gloves using a 3M manufactured material on both items. When matched up between glove and grip they had a low power almost hook and loop feel to them that had extra grip but allowed the rider to reposition their hands if needed. Needless to say it was a commercial flop.
Found some of the old tape on Ebay, has the story in the pics. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Pearl-Izumi-gREPTILE-GRIP-Handlebar-3M-Tap…;
So when transmission dropped, all everyone could talk about was how fast the shifting was. Then, once the hype died down, truth started to leak out.
https://youtu.be/hT4ysSz4UV8?si=CZ5TpLE707pRgAl1&t=1081
For instance, in the above video (link has timestamp) they were testing the climbing times of high powered ebikes (Rocky Mountain won, I love their approach to ebike motors). The Transmission equipped ebikes were slower because of the non-trivial delay in shifting.
I' actually surprised that companies like e*13, OneUp, Garbaruk, etc haven't made a machined replacement for the top portion of traditional derailleurs to use the T-type mount, allowing for hanger-free Shimano shifting. Maybe without the "clutch" allowing the derailleur to move inwards from a strike its not worth it.
I would think Sram probably put a patent blocking that (other companies making a direct mount to the UDH interface) . That being said, I think a cabled version of Transmission would be pretty awesome. Riding in NJ has been tough on hangers, so I do have transmission on my trailbike - it would be nice to never have to worry about charging the battery if there's a cable version.
I haven’t watched the linked video yet, but I have to say; Who cares how fast it shifts?
Having T type on an Ebike is beneficial because it knows where to put the chain at the right time. If you accidentally forget you’re in a high-power mode and ham-fist a shift, you’re not going to snap your chain or cassette or worse…
You also may benefit from changing your handlebars to something that allows a little more flex (i.e., OneUp handlebars, PNW Loam bar are also compliant), or a smaller diameter handlebar.
clip in grips were definitely an april fools gag many years ago, i wanna say 10-15+?
For an ebike, shifting delays really suck. For a traditional bike, shifting delays really suck.
Transmission, when paired with Sram's ebike motor (rebranded Brose) will likely reduce wear on your chain & cassette, but I don't think its worth the added weight, cost, complexity, and laggy shifts.
I’ve had my transmission bike for a few weeks and I have to say I can’t really relate to what you’re saying. The shifting is on point and as fast as I could ever need it.
If you’re talking about a pro level racer, maybe rapid shifting comes in to play more than the average consumer. I definitely wouldn’t call it laggy.
Also, I didn’t really say wear and tear. I meant a catastrophic event. All of us in here have probably ridden long enough to know that you have to let off a little bit downshifting during a climb. E bikes really don’t do that. If you forget and decide to grab three or four gears under torque, a snapped chain is likely the result. T type Minimizes the chance of that happening.
I didn’t really want a transmission drivetrain when I got this new bike, it just happened to be what it came with. I am more than pleased.
If you've only ridden transmission around in a parking lot, it seems laggy. Once you're riding it on trail and adjust to the fact that you can just hammer away at shifts whenever you want... the lag factor goes away.
I can agree that the complexity and cost is meh, arguably not worth it. If you've been riding a long time and have a well trained thumb and coordination of your thumb to briefly letting off the power... then it's not really 'needed'. I will say however, after using it for a while, you start to shift differently, potentially shift in place you otherwise wouldn't and it starts to become a notable performance advantage.
However... I am not certain that performance advantage is worth 1k to put on your bike if you have x01 mechanical say.
Anybody know anything about the new TRP levers with the bite point adjustment seen on Danny Hart's GT Fury Bike check on PB a couple of weeks ago? The article mentions how they were originally developed for an XC application, I'm assuming the unreleased ones seen in the pits recently, but those do not have the knobs. I'm thinking the new XC model does have the bite point adjust but it is actuated via a hex key to save weight and the PB photos just don't get the right angle. You can see that there is a hole in the lever blade where the knob runs through on Danny's brakes so it seems likely.
On another note, I'm surprised more brands don't include a (usable) bite-point adjust on their products. I'm definitely particular about my brake setup so it's a make or "brake" for me. It definitely doesn't seem super difficult to integrate unless you are SRAM and do their whole dial thingimabob. From what I can tell, you just need a small screw to take the slack out of the system as seen on the Hope or TRP Models. If TRP does release this lever, I'd be first in line to pick up some DHR EVO's.
I just want brakes that aren't messy to bleed, easy to service, available internal parts (with documentation), pads that don't squeal but last longer than 10 rides or 1 day in a park, and doesn't take a DEng to setup.
Hoping to see these brands entering the MTB stopper market bring the noise.
I am digging the different look!
I'd put more days in before you open the wallet. Early season park lapz will do that. The tendons will adjust as the season progresses
This is the most helpful comment, rather than jumping to buying something to "fix" the issue
Tendons and muscles may, but nerves won't. If you are having grip weakness or dexterity problems in your hand then you need to take time off to let it heal and see a doctor. Nerve shit escalates big time and I think most peoples hand related issues stem from nerve problems due to improper ergonomics and bike setup.
What's old is new again. Or is it what's new was once old. Something like that. Instead of creating an historical tech thread, I'll just put this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUi0PMG503g
It's a restoration video of a hand shift, in frame gearbox bike from the 30's. He makes great use of the third hand tool around the thirty min mark.
Nothing prevents a cable actuated derailleur from moving inwards if it's hit from the side... No clutches needed.
As for Transmission shifting and ebikes, as much as I don't like the ergonomics of Shimano shifters, boy is it smooth when shifting under (full ebike) power. They did something right there. And it's been out for what, 5 years now?
Have you heard of Intend?
For those who don't have a microscope
Cannondale DH Proto at Hardline.
I thought they benched these?
It was a good few years ago when Matt Simmonds was developing this (with the seperate damper/ spring set up). Chatted to Matt about it and had a roll around the car park (on the bike....not Matt). Super interesting but don't think it was ever meant for production.