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Kusa
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4/9/2024 8:16pm

As much as I'm excited to see new Fox stuff, imagine all these manufacturers sitting on a pile of already heavily discounted bikes and now newly also with "old" forks. Rough times.

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4/9/2024 8:35pm

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My druid v2 s3 mx weighs in at 35.5lb currently w/out the water bottle. 36.5 with water. 38 adds a bit of weight. And I'm putting WAO convergence wheels on and an EXT storia V3 so will be curious to see how the weight changes 

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4/9/2024 10:09pm
Kusa wrote:
As much as I'm excited to see new Fox stuff, imagine all these manufacturers sitting on a pile of already heavily discounted bikes and now newly...

As much as I'm excited to see new Fox stuff, imagine all these manufacturers sitting on a pile of already heavily discounted bikes and now newly also with "old" forks. Rough times.

Meh.  It’s good for the market.  Brands can sell small numbers of new bikes with new dampers and transmission at obscene prices for those who want it and there is really great and feasible options for the rest of us.

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4/9/2024 10:39pm

Luca's Canyon DH prototype from this past weekend. Can get a little better look at the linkage. Said post race it took some getting used to, but now feels good. 

 

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4/10/2024 12:25am
tabletop84 wrote:

Sounds like they added moar shimz as the vvc compression upgrade was too soft for heavy/aggressive riders. And the first grip2 iteration was too harsh.

airwreck wrote:

I need to figure out what is best for light/aggressive riders.

I hope fox didn't go the route rock shox did with the charger 3 that became harsh and many people prefer the old damper. For me (fairly light and not into steep stuff/that aggressive) the last grip2 model was pretty good. Although on hot days and steeper tracks I had to fully close both compression circuits. I tried running it with more air but that made it harsh. So for heavier and more aggressive riders its clear that fox wanted to add those shims. But it seems by enlarging the base valve diameter and other stuff they tried to not make it too stiff.

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lickmycrinkle
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4/10/2024 2:23am
Onawalk wrote:

Backwards compatible damper, just slide it into an existing 38, which can be bought new for very reasonable

Seems like it's less expensive to buy a fork that's currently on sale and a grip x2 damper than it is to buy a 2025 fork...

Seems like it's less expensive to buy a fork that's currently on sale and a grip x2 damper than it is to buy a 2025 fork that is basically the same. 

PellyNH wrote:

"This sneak peek has us Shivering"

Please no. They have already desecrated the Marzocchi name, a non-USD Shiver is gonna make me shit.

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4/10/2024 3:10am

"This sneak peek has us Shivering"

Please no. They have already desecrated the Marzocchi name, a non-USD Shiver is gonna make me shit.

I'ts a bit of a cheat, but this might get you a few goosebumps then:

 

It's a one-off edition (a Dorado SC got made as well) made by Rulezman for an AstonMTB competition -,not a Zocchi but an Intend Edge with a Manitou RRT preparation... quite a frankenfork (and no need to say I absolutely LOVE IT). A DC versions based on Dorados were also on the works:

https://astonmtb.com/product/rulezman-rrt-replica/

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4/10/2024 3:15am

Found this new helmet on the german Fox Website, looks like there new entry level Rampage. a bit of a mix between the Rampage Pro Carbon and the Proframe

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TimBud
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4/10/2024 3:20am
Nico_Hrndz wrote:
I'ts a bit of a cheat, but this might get you a few goosebumps then:   It's a one-off edition (a Dorado SC got made as...

I'ts a bit of a cheat, but this might get you a few goosebumps then:

 

It's a one-off edition (a Dorado SC got made as well) made by Rulezman for an AstonMTB competition -,not a Zocchi but an Intend Edge with a Manitou RRT preparation... quite a frankenfork (and no need to say I absolutely LOVE IT). A DC versions based on Dorados were also on the works:

https://astonmtb.com/product/rulezman-rrt-replica/

The Dorado DC and Shiver DC are already done and were both "just" tuned Dorados.

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  My druid v2 s3 mx weighs in at 35.5lb currently w/out the water bottle. 36.5 with water. 38 adds a bit of weight. And I'm...

image-20240409203408-1

 

My druid v2 s3 mx weighs in at 35.5lb currently w/out the water bottle. 36.5 with water. 38 adds a bit of weight. And I'm putting WAO convergence wheels on and an EXT storia V3 so will be curious to see how the weight changes 

I'm guessing more.....

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4/10/2024 4:35am

Shame for the potato quality, let’s see what they made with the new Altitower 

looks good 

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UfuS78
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4/10/2024 4:40am

https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/26473345/

 

Full album of new Altitude is live and marked at public on the other bike site Wink

 

Good find!

I'll post a picture here in case they block access.

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4/10/2024 5:47am

That is a seriously good looking bike. It's like if. SCOR, spec enduro and Santa Cruz had a baby together. 

 

Can someone slap a Grip X2 on a dyno asap so we can see how much damping it has relative to others? Fox's press release don't tell you anything that actually matters 

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4/10/2024 6:03am
That is a seriously good looking bike. It's like if. SCOR, spec enduro and Santa Cruz had a baby together.    Can someone slap a Grip...

That is a seriously good looking bike. It's like if. SCOR, spec enduro and Santa Cruz had a baby together. 

 

Can someone slap a Grip X2 on a dyno asap so we can see how much damping it has relative to others? Fox's press release don't tell you anything that actually matters 

its new and you are supposed to want and buy one. what else do you need to know!?

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4/10/2024 6:31am

"This sneak peek has us Shivering"

Please no. They have already desecrated the Marzocchi name, a non-USD Shiver is gonna make me shit.

Nico_Hrndz wrote:
I'ts a bit of a cheat, but this might get you a few goosebumps then:   It's a one-off edition (a Dorado SC got made as...

I'ts a bit of a cheat, but this might get you a few goosebumps then:

 

It's a one-off edition (a Dorado SC got made as well) made by Rulezman for an AstonMTB competition -,not a Zocchi but an Intend Edge with a Manitou RRT preparation... quite a frankenfork (and no need to say I absolutely LOVE IT). A DC versions based on Dorados were also on the works:

https://astonmtb.com/product/rulezman-rrt-replica/

Wait but how can they use the Marzocchi name? Maybe because it is not for sale?

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4/10/2024 7:04am
That is a seriously good looking bike. It's like if. SCOR, spec enduro and Santa Cruz had a baby together.    Can someone slap a Grip...

That is a seriously good looking bike. It's like if. SCOR, spec enduro and Santa Cruz had a baby together. 

 

Can someone slap a Grip X2 on a dyno asap so we can see how much damping it has relative to others? Fox's press release don't tell you anything that actually matters 

sethimus wrote:

its new and you are supposed to want and buy one. what else do you need to know!?

Well yes, but from the few initial thoughts I have perused everyone seems to just say it damps more/better. Which isn't saying a lot, as the old Grip 2 had laughingly low levels of damping. 

Particularly compared to the custom charger damper I'm running, or any ohlins product out there. 

I'm on the record that previous fox products are a joke when it comes to damping forces (in my opinion) so I'm curious to see how much more these have than previous generations. 

 

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4/10/2024 7:08am
That is a seriously good looking bike. It's like if. SCOR, spec enduro and Santa Cruz had a baby together.    Can someone slap a Grip...

That is a seriously good looking bike. It's like if. SCOR, spec enduro and Santa Cruz had a baby together. 

 

Can someone slap a Grip X2 on a dyno asap so we can see how much damping it has relative to others? Fox's press release don't tell you anything that actually matters 

sethimus wrote:

its new and you are supposed to want and buy one. what else do you need to know!?

Well yes, but from the few initial thoughts I have perused everyone seems to just say it damps more/better. Which isn't saying a lot, as the...

Well yes, but from the few initial thoughts I have perused everyone seems to just say it damps more/better. Which isn't saying a lot, as the old Grip 2 had laughingly low levels of damping. 

Particularly compared to the custom charger damper I'm running, or any ohlins product out there. 

I'm on the record that previous fox products are a joke when it comes to damping forces (in my opinion) so I'm curious to see how much more these have than previous generations. 

 

The grip x2 damper looks like it should be much easier to tune, so that is a big step forward by itself. 

Making some wild guesses from last year's Dialed shows when pros were talking about "the new damper" it sounds like the grip x2 can make more damping force without getting harsh like the Grip2 did. 

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pinkrobe
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4/10/2024 7:52am

https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/26473345/

 

Full album of new Altitude is live and marked at public on the other bike site Wink

 

UfuS78 wrote:
Good find! I'll post a picture here in case they block access.

Good find!

I'll post a picture here in case they block access.

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4/10/2024 7:52am Edited Date/Time 4/10/2024 8:42am

Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus, Mondraker, SDG, and now Rocky Mountain. And it's only Tuesday. [EDIT: It's Wednesday. Coffee hasn't fully kicked in yet.]

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4/10/2024 7:54am
Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus...

Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus, Mondraker, SDG, and now Rocky Mountain. And it's only Tuesday. [EDIT: It's Wednesday. Coffee hasn't fully kicked in yet.]

Sea otter incoming

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4/10/2024 7:57am Edited Date/Time 4/10/2024 7:58am

I’d guess that’s an artifact from Sea Otter’s past influence and something to do with the TILT of the earth…spring is here and it’s time to buy bikes

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4/10/2024 8:08am
Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus...

Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus, Mondraker, SDG, and now Rocky Mountain. And it's only Tuesday. [EDIT: It's Wednesday. Coffee hasn't fully kicked in yet.]

You see, we all want to avoid launching our new products at Sea Otter and being lost in the noise, so we all launch our new products the week before......wait a minute....

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4/10/2024 8:15am

I forgot about ye old Ocean Weasel. I guess I didn't realize how much that still factored into launch timing.

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4/10/2024 8:15am

Sea Otter is a big consumer event with almost every brand having a booth and there's a lot of media coverage. Spring buying season plus the first big event of the year for a lot of brands plus the first major xc race of the year = new product time. Hoping to see something from Ibis soon now that Fox has launched. 

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4/10/2024 8:16am
You see, we all want to avoid launching our new products at Sea Otter and being lost in the noise, so we all launch our new...

You see, we all want to avoid launching our new products at Sea Otter and being lost in the noise, so we all launch our new products the week before......wait a minute....

Can confirm, it is much quieter at home than it is on the Sea Otter fair-grounds. Much better for reading product releases Wink

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4/10/2024 8:20am
Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus...

Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus, Mondraker, SDG, and now Rocky Mountain. And it's only Tuesday. [EDIT: It's Wednesday. Coffee hasn't fully kicked in yet.]

tarekfahmy wrote:

Sea otter incoming

Real people (vs us industry dorks) start thinking about mountain biking in the first couple weeks in April. Weather, snow in northern mountains starts melting, etc. Sea Otter is a symptom of this, not a cause.

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4/10/2024 8:28am

Back to tech rumors: Industry Nine teasing a new product launch on 4/17, with the tagline "Welcome to your fastest day (on dirt) yet)" and a 5-pawl graphic, both of which accompanied the recent launch of their Solix gravel/road hubs. Seems pretty clear that a mountain bike wheelset (probably XC-focused) using the Solix hubs is incoming.

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4/10/2024 8:43am
Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus...

Curious why this is such a packed week for product launches. So far this week we've had new products from Ohlins, Fox, Liv, Norco, Forbidden, Tannus, Mondraker, SDG, and now Rocky Mountain. And it's only Tuesday. [EDIT: It's Wednesday. Coffee hasn't fully kicked in yet.]

tarekfahmy wrote:

Sea otter incoming

JVP wrote:
Real people (vs us industry dorks) start thinking about mountain biking in the first couple weeks in April. Weather, snow in northern mountains starts melting, etc...

Real people (vs us industry dorks) start thinking about mountain biking in the first couple weeks in April. Weather, snow in northern mountains starts melting, etc. Sea Otter is a symptom of this, not a cause.

If a brand knows they have new product ready, it makes planning an engaging Sea Otter display real easy. If they have to show "old" product its a lot more work and kind of pointless effort. So while spring in the northern hemisphere is the motivator to get things out and onto shop floors, Sea Otter provides a bit of a deadline to do so.

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