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nskerb
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4/9/2024 9:23am

The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder how much the new Druid weighs and couldn't see anything. Is it pretty much equal to the dreadnought? Seems like they are so similar it would be close. 

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4/9/2024 9:37am
Shinook wrote:

Any word on when Marzocchi will release their new stuff?

Hopefully soon. Need a 38 with grip x. 

TimBud
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Neko on a “gold” 40

 

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TimBud wrote:
Another diaper shot from OO’s story Sans idler

Another diaper shot from OO’s story


Sans idler

So, bike diaper for bike diapers sake? 

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4/9/2024 10:08am
nskerb wrote:
The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder...

The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder how much the new Druid weighs and couldn't see anything. Is it pretty much equal to the dreadnought? Seems like they are so similar it would be close. 

I saw that... It has to be a typo. I would be shocked if that bike was less than 35.5 pounds. 

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4/9/2024 10:11am Edited Date/Time 4/9/2024 10:12am

Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months out. Couple complete bikes here and there but the value is laughably bad on the complete bikes. Most dealers also want payment in full for a 2+ month special order. Terrible launch imo. Every dealer that had allocations had already presold them over a month ago while the bike was still under embargo. So basically unless you knew someone in the industry before launch, you aren't getting a dread v2 until June.

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4/9/2024 10:13am
TimBud wrote:
Neko on a “gold” 40  

Neko on a “gold” 40

 

Is he also riding the bonded version of the frame?

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rludes025
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Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months...

Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months out. Couple complete bikes here and there but the value is laughably bad on the complete bikes. Most dealers also want payment in full for a 2+ month special order. Terrible launch imo. Every dealer that had allocations had already presold them over a month ago while the bike was still under embargo. So basically unless you knew someone in the industry before launch, you aren't getting a dread v2 until June.

It was pretty well known this bike was coming, no?

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4/9/2024 10:26am
Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months...

Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months out. Couple complete bikes here and there but the value is laughably bad on the complete bikes. Most dealers also want payment in full for a 2+ month special order. Terrible launch imo. Every dealer that had allocations had already presold them over a month ago while the bike was still under embargo. So basically unless you knew someone in the industry before launch, you aren't getting a dread v2 until June.

rludes025 wrote:

It was pretty well known this bike was coming, no?

Only because of tons of leaks, the bike was under embargo until today so technically dealers weren't allowed to discuss it and whatnot, so how people somehow got preorder allocations in, is beyond me. But it just goes back to people in the industry or being good friends with a shop owner..

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4/9/2024 10:29am
Yes, as has been covered multiple times in this forum. that new Maxxis tire is in response/to compete with the Argotal (as well as updated Hillbilly)...

Yes, as has been covered multiple times in this forum. that new Maxxis tire is in response/to compete with the Argotal (as well as updated Hillbilly). IF it will be replacing any tire in the lineup, it's replacing the Shorty 2. That said, this will likely be it's own line as it will not really serve the purpose of the Shorty 2 (cut spike). 

Maxxis is bleeding big time After Market marker share to Conti. Once Conti gets production up to speed and they can supply large volumes, they will take OEM spec from Maxxis. Maxxis definitely panicing for that and will likely be trying to release their updated casing that Neko hinted at as well as this new intermediate shred tire.

New tyre is the 'High Roller' reborn. Plenty of hotpatches were floating around the southern hemisphere during the summer.  

The High Roller was one of my favorite tires on my Park rig. I miss them. I really hope they bring something like it back. 

4/9/2024 10:31am
Shinook wrote:

Any word on when Marzocchi will release their new stuff?

It'll drop as soon as they can clear out Z1 stock, likely. 

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just to put some actual riding into this forum thread, jackson on gold forx : ) we also have a dreadnought bike check on the homepage w/ alex storr

 

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from our fox article. a video that sums up the fox dampers

 

 

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4/9/2024 10:43am Edited Date/Time 4/9/2024 10:43am
Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months...

Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months out. Couple complete bikes here and there but the value is laughably bad on the complete bikes. Most dealers also want payment in full for a 2+ month special order. Terrible launch imo. Every dealer that had allocations had already presold them over a month ago while the bike was still under embargo. So basically unless you knew someone in the industry before launch, you aren't getting a dread v2 until June.

rludes025 wrote:

It was pretty well known this bike was coming, no?

Only because of tons of leaks, the bike was under embargo until today so technically dealers weren't allowed to discuss it and whatnot, so how people...

Only because of tons of leaks, the bike was under embargo until today so technically dealers weren't allowed to discuss it and whatnot, so how people somehow got preorder allocations in, is beyond me. But it just goes back to people in the industry or being good friends with a shop owner..

I understand the frustration if you actually are trying to buy one, but I am betting the number of these actually in the wild is pretty low. Forbidden is pretty small... 

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4/9/2024 10:43am
Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months...

Just spent the morning calling every Forbidden dealer in the US. No one has any frame sets on hand to sell, all special order 2+ months out. Couple complete bikes here and there but the value is laughably bad on the complete bikes. Most dealers also want payment in full for a 2+ month special order. Terrible launch imo. Every dealer that had allocations had already presold them over a month ago while the bike was still under embargo. So basically unless you knew someone in the industry before launch, you aren't getting a dread v2 until June.

Where have you been the last 3 years lmao

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4/9/2024 10:50am
Shinook wrote:

Any word on when Marzocchi will release their new stuff?

Hopefully soon. Need a 38 with grip x. 

Backwards compatible damper, just slide it into an existing 38, which can be bought new for very reasonable

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4/9/2024 11:03am

May be an image of bicycle and text

May be an image of bicycle and text

 

New Norco ebikes

 

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4/9/2024 11:42am
wastesport wrote:

new maxxis tyre is a high roller 3, its pretty soft and squirmy on the hard pack but seems to be good in the deep dust

Out of genuine curiosity, have you ridden the tire? That's not the feedback I've heard from our riders. 

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  New Norco ebikes  

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May be an image of bicycle and text

 

New Norco ebikes

 

Here’s one for real...

 

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4/9/2024 12:25pm
Shinook wrote:

Any word on when Marzocchi will release their new stuff?

Hopefully soon. Need a 38 with grip x. 

Onawalk wrote:

Backwards compatible damper, just slide it into an existing 38, which can be bought new for very reasonable

Seems like it's less expensive to buy a fork that's currently on sale and a grip x2 damper than it is to buy a 2025 fork that is basically the same. 

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4/9/2024 12:54pm Edited Date/Time 4/9/2024 1:32pm

Sounds like they added moar shimz as the vvc compression upgrade was too soft for heavy/aggressive riders. And the first grip2 iteration was too harsh.

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nskerb wrote:
The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder...

The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder how much the new Druid weighs and couldn't see anything. Is it pretty much equal to the dreadnought? Seems like they are so similar it would be close. 

Druid V2 Ultimate/X0 is 31.9lbs in S2 size.

Dreadnought V2 Ultimate/X0 is 34.6lbs in size S2. 

It's basically just tires and fork/shock that account for the difference. 

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4/9/2024 1:28pm

Hopefully soon. Need a 38 with grip x. 

Onawalk wrote:

Backwards compatible damper, just slide it into an existing 38, which can be bought new for very reasonable

Seems like it's less expensive to buy a fork that's currently on sale and a grip x2 damper than it is to buy a 2025 fork...

Seems like it's less expensive to buy a fork that's currently on sale and a grip x2 damper than it is to buy a 2025 fork that is basically the same. 

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4/9/2024 1:54pm
nskerb wrote:
The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder...

The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder how much the new Druid weighs and couldn't see anything. Is it pretty much equal to the dreadnought? Seems like they are so similar it would be close. 

Do they spec it with DD or dh casing tyres? With exo plus it may be 34lb but realistically for most places and its intended use they won’t be suitable.

 

check through most bikes of similar style and they put exp casing’s on them.

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4/9/2024 2:29pm
Onawalk wrote:

Backwards compatible damper, just slide it into an existing 38, which can be bought new for very reasonable

Seems like it's less expensive to buy a fork that's currently on sale and a grip x2 damper than it is to buy a 2025 fork...

Seems like it's less expensive to buy a fork that's currently on sale and a grip x2 damper than it is to buy a 2025 fork that is basically the same. 

PellyNH wrote:

Typo in the specs, lists stanchions as 34mm diameter?

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4/9/2024 2:31pm Edited Date/Time 4/9/2024 2:52pm

New tyre is the 'High Roller' reborn. Plenty of hotpatches were floating around the southern hemisphere during the summer.  

I don't know why brands do this--it just hurts their customers using the internet to search for tire info, reviews or purchasing--and also confuses retailers who aren't 100% in the know (most). This new tire shares basically zero in common with the OG High Roller or the 2 other than 'stout, tall, straight-ish' side knobs. Maybe they're re-using the name so that people don't tease them for releasing yet another tire (name). 

Using the same name (especially for a TOTALLY redesigned product) just causes confusion. And like we see so many times with reviews or peoples opinions "Yea that Butcher tire sucks!" (says person on message board who rode the 2014 version of the tire and it's since been re-designed twice.) Start with a clean slate! 

 

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New tyre is the 'High Roller' reborn. Plenty of hotpatches were floating around the southern hemisphere during the summer.  

I don't know why brands do this--it just hurts their customers using the internet to search for tire info, reviews or purchasing--and also confuses retailers who...

I don't know why brands do this--it just hurts their customers using the internet to search for tire info, reviews or purchasing--and also confuses retailers who aren't 100% in the know (most). This new tire shares basically zero in common with the OG High Roller or the 2 other than 'stout, tall, straight-ish' side knobs. Maybe they're re-using the name so that people don't tease them for releasing yet another tire (name). 

Using the same name (especially for a TOTALLY redesigned product) just causes confusion. And like we see so many times with reviews or peoples opinions "Yea that Butcher tire sucks!" (says person on message board who rode the 2014 version of the tire and it's since been re-designed twice.) Start with a clean slate! 

 

You obviously have no idea how hard it is to name a product! 😉

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nskerb wrote:
The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder...

The dreadnought PB tested was 34 lbs I was really surprised to see it was that light. Their frames look stout as hell, made me wonder how much the new Druid weighs and couldn't see anything. Is it pretty much equal to the dreadnought? Seems like they are so similar it would be close. 

Do they spec it with DD or dh casing tyres? With exo plus it may be 34lb but realistically for most places and its intended use...

Do they spec it with DD or dh casing tyres? With exo plus it may be 34lb but realistically for most places and its intended use they won’t be suitable.

 

check through most bikes of similar style and they put exp casing’s on them.

DD DHR2 in the back, EXO+ Assegai up front. I just tried DHR2 and Assegai on my Spur. Liked it so much it's going on the #enduro bike.

My v1 Druid was 32 pounds with pedals, so I can see the new Dread being ~34 with some carbon parts.

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4/9/2024 3:48pm
JCL wrote:
Druid V2 Ultimate/X0 is 31.9lbs in S2 size. Dreadnought V2 Ultimate/X0 is 34.6lbs in size S2.  It's basically just tires and fork/shock that account for the...

Druid V2 Ultimate/X0 is 31.9lbs in S2 size.

Dreadnought V2 Ultimate/X0 is 34.6lbs in size S2. 

It's basically just tires and fork/shock that account for the difference. 

Color me surprised, they look thick and definitely not lacking carbon. If I guessed I’d say 35 for the Druid and 37 for the dreadnought. I try not to be a weight weenie but seeing trail bikes weigh 35 lbs makes me squirm lol. 

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