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Onawalk
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4/6/2024 8:43am
Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

You need to re-learn metric to imperial conversions.

Youre right, my bad

5mm=.197"

I did quick math in my head

12mm=1/2" on mechanical drawings

so a touch less than 1/4" is what my original comment was meant to be.  Still totally negligible as wheel travel increase.

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I know this has probably been mentioned, but I saw a FW bike in rock creek with an electric RAD coil and a controller on the left side of the bars.  Didn’t get any pics or figure out who the rider was 🙁

 

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4/6/2024 8:55am Edited Date/Time 4/6/2024 8:55am

john hall racing a pinion-equipped M1 at monster pro DH. pic attached. video on our insta stories. we'll have more pics and interview later.

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4/6/2024 8:56am
roost66 wrote:
I know this has probably been mentioned, but I saw a FW bike in rock creek with an electric RAD coil and a controller on the...

I know this has probably been mentioned, but I saw a FW bike in rock creek with an electric RAD coil and a controller on the left side of the bars.  Didn’t get any pics or figure out who the rider was 🙁

 

Asa had one on his rig with sensors on the brake calipers as well. It was in the slideshow.

 

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Onawalk
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Primoz wrote:
Yeah, but you usually have the full nigh to charge it... Compared to a normal laptop I'd say it could easily be up to 10 hours...

Yeah, but you usually have the full nigh to charge it... Compared to a normal laptop I'd say it could easily be up to 10 hours to charge it if we're talking about a 500 Wh battery.

I'd say there's a reason ebikes currently have purpose made chargers, but it might be possible to make do with a USB c charger as well. Might make for a good selling point even if it is just a backup charging option. 

I think youre onto something with this line of thinking.

removable battery, charge it with USB while at the office, or at home.  Use the proprietary charger for fast charging.

USB also provides a way to charge/run accessories (phone, bike computer, lights, etc)

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4/6/2024 2:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2024 3:02pm
Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

Onawalk wrote:
My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel. if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock...

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

Internet forums - where people tell other people what they can and can’t feel.

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I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

Onawalk wrote:
My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel. if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock...

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

Internet forums - where people tell other people what they can and can’t feel.

To each their own really, neither of you are particularly right or wrong. Just depends on the lens you use to view the world. 

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4/6/2024 7:22pm
Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

Onawalk wrote:
My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel. if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock...

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

Your mom could feel the 5mm difference Wink

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4/6/2024 7:32pm

Raaw sent out an email that said the new jibb is coming on the 11th. 

This could be awesome, I wonder if it’ll have the adjustability of their other bikes, and I wonder if the rear travel will change? 140 rear...

This could be awesome, I wonder if it’ll have the adjustability of their other bikes, and I wonder if the rear travel will change? 140 rear travel although a small change would make it an even more capable all rounder.

Onawalk wrote:
you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference? 5mm like less than 1/8" Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference...

you believe 5mm of real travel increase would make a difference?

5mm

like less than 1/8"

Theres no way youre feeling 5mm of rear travel difference, give yer head a shake

I know 5mm ain’t much but it’s not “like less than an 1/8” 

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4/6/2024 11:59pm
Outlawed wrote:
Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:

Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:


They are so close to…

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Outlawed wrote:
Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:

Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:


They are so close to…

it's more than a month that you can see the 404 pages on mcr tho

Finkill
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4/7/2024 6:50am

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

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4/7/2024 7:22am
Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Don't know what the geo or kinematics are, but super interesting concept with separating spring and damper.

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4/7/2024 8:14am

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

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4/7/2024 8:37am
Outlawed wrote:
Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:

Links 404 but the new V2 Dread frameset is listed:


They are so close to…

Evil96 wrote:

it's more than a month that you can see the 404 pages on mcr tho

Yea but the embargo date is within a week or so. 

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roost66
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They are so close to…

Evil96 wrote:

it's more than a month that you can see the 404 pages on mcr tho

Yea but the embargo date is within a week or so. 

This Tuesday according to their insta

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Onawalk
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I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom...

I can guarantee you that 5mm of real travel would make a difference as there actually is a difference, maybe its slightly more room for bottom out ramp up, run a little more sag and a more progressive tune , or maybe you run everything the same and it just gives you 5 mm more travel and 5mm more breathing room - would it make or break a bike ? No… but if it didn’t have any tangible effect why would yeti make lunch ride additions and why would other brands such as Santa Cruz make bikes that can be long shocked ? 

Onawalk wrote:
My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel. if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock...

My Fugitive can be short or long travel depending on the rear shock travel.

if we take a 2.7 leverage rate on a 50mm rear shock travel we get 135mm.

2.7 on a 55mm rear shock gets you 148.5, so lets call it 150mm rear travel.  Youre gonna notice that.

Theres a big difference in shock travel, and rear wheel travel

5mm of additional rear travel, not a chance.

Your mom could feel the 5mm difference 

Your mom could feel the 5mm difference Wink

Jeez man,

You can be better than that

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4/7/2024 9:36am
Evil96 wrote:

it's more than a month that you can see the 404 pages on mcr tho

Yea but the embargo date is within a week or so. 

roost66 wrote:

This Tuesday according to their insta

Yup. The 9th according to deals as well. 

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4/7/2024 12:52pm

Any news on a revised trek slash / e slash or rail?  

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Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Colby Pringle has been riding his around Squamish as well. Maybe they are restarting development of the platform

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4/7/2024 5:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/7/2024 5:22pm

Already spotted the new colorway on IG, assuming that's Rhys

IMG 2259

image-20240407172100-1

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4/7/2024 5:49pm
Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Goose80 wrote:

Colby Pringle has been riding his around Squamish as well. Maybe they are restarting development of the platform

He’s just on a Jekyll with a 40

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Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Goose80 wrote:

Colby Pringle has been riding his around Squamish as well. Maybe they are restarting development of the platform

TannerVal wrote:

He’s just on a Jekyll with a 40

Perhaps out the same mold but I'm pretty sure it was a mullet with a long shock. It's definitely set up as a proper DH bike and not just his enduro race bike with a 40 on it for shuttles

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Finkill wrote:
Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave...

Ratboy on the Cannondale DH proto frame. Wonder if they are reviving the concept, or he was just looking for a DH bike and they gave him the old frame that  was kicking around. 

Goose80 wrote:

Colby Pringle has been riding his around Squamish as well. Maybe they are restarting development of the platform

TannerVal wrote:

He’s just on a Jekyll with a 40

That isn't a Jekyll front triangle - it has a straight top tube with a shock mount hanging from it!

Not a Jekyll seatstay either.

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krabo83
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4/8/2024 2:28am
Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using...

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

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4/8/2024 5:35am
Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using...

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

krabo83 wrote:
i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

Looks the same to me?

Alpinestars SM10 Carbon Meta 2 Helmet

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4/8/2024 5:36am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2024 6:41am
Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using...

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

krabo83 wrote:
i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

It looks like Ronan has been on the MX helmet recently. The top line S-M10 seems to be the helmet of choice for the rest of the team and other Astars sponsored riders as well. The total lack of available information into relative DH helmet safety is really frustrating (i.e. the margin by which they exceed standards). I've had several major concussions, and made it a priority to invest in the best helmet possible but still impossible to differentiate as a willing consumer between the Leatt 8.0, RPC, D4, Dissident II, 6D, Giro spherical, the A-stars mx or dh helmets, and others. 

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4/8/2024 7:02am
Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using...

Not really bike tech related,  but does anyone know what's going on with Alpinestars riders using the MX helmet (Dak, Dunne..) ? Ethan Craik was using it last year as well. I don't think it is a new DH helmet because it looks exactly like the sm10. Craik is also back to a standard Bluegrass DH helmet now

krabo83 wrote:
i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

i think that‘s a new DH helmet from alpinestars, chinvent on dak‘s helmet is different to the MX and current DH helmet.

Yoda wrote:
It looks like Ronan has been on the MX helmet recently. The top line S-M10 seems to be the helmet of choice for the rest of...

It looks like Ronan has been on the MX helmet recently. The top line S-M10 seems to be the helmet of choice for the rest of the team and other Astars sponsored riders as well. The total lack of available information into relative DH helmet safety is really frustrating (i.e. the margin by which they exceed standards). I've had several major concussions, and made it a priority to invest in the best helmet possible but still impossible to differentiate as a willing consumer between the Leatt 8.0, RPC, D4, Dissident II, 6D, Giro spherical, the A-stars mx or dh helmets, and others. 

Not an expert, but have worked in the industry forever and sat through many product knowledge meetings. Buy a mouth guard and a neck brace. 

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Looks the same to me?

Looks the same to me?

Alpinestars SM10 Carbon Meta 2 Helmet

you‘re right, i just looked at their top level mx helmet, the m10… dak seems to wear the slightly cheaper m8 helmet.

4/8/2024 7:56am
krabo83 wrote:

you‘re right, i just looked at their top level mx helmet, the m10… dak seems to wear the slightly cheaper m8 helmet.

From the website it looks like they don't make the sm8 anymore.

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