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Evil96
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Evil96 wrote:
20th of March, some limited edition red splatter that will come with different size rotors up to 200, they don't recommend 220, 18.5 and 19mm pistons...

20th of March, some limited edition red splatter that will come with different size rotors up to 200, they don't recommend 220, 18.5 and 19mm pistons, mineral as we all now, claimed 50% more power than codes, bold statement imo

Robstyle wrote:

Considering codes have fvck all power I can see that being easily possible 😅

 

codes have pretty awful power considering it's sram's DH brakes, the force needed to the lever is always too much to have some decent stopping power at the rotor, Dominions, dhr evo, hope v4, mt7, these are all way more powerful and with a much lighter lever. therefore they need to step up their game with the Mavens 

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mattwright wrote:
Sram Maven Ultimate Stealth Expert Brake Kit – Limited Edition Splash Red - $999.00 Maven drops at 8:00am PST Hoping its not just the red colour...

Sram Maven Ultimate Stealth Expert Brake Kit – Limited Edition Splash Red - $999.00

Screenshot 2024-02-21 at 11.58.11 PM 2

Screenshot 2024-02-22 at 12.08.57 AM

Maven drops at 8:00am PST

Hoping its not just the red colour to start..

i know it's not just brakes, but it's nuts 1k for sram brakes, must be crazy to pay that much for something mass produced, when you can get direttissima brakes, handmade and checked for a tad more, or other options anyway with much higher quality like hope

 

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Primoz
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Let's just be clear, when we are talking about Codes not being powerful... Are we talking about Code R or Code RS(C)? Because there is a world of difference between the two. 

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Evil96
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Primoz wrote:
Let's just be clear, when we are talking about Codes not being powerful... Are we talking about Code R or Code RS(C)? Because there is a...

Let's just be clear, when we are talking about Codes not being powerful... Are we talking about Code R or Code RS(C)? Because there is a world of difference between the two. 

meh you can talk about ultimates as well, still not that powerful.

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

according to this test, all details are in the link, with a given force to the lever equal to every brake in test code rsc were "producing" only 70nm to the rotor, meaning that the ultra powerful maven being 50% stronger would be 105nm, so still less then a direttissima, let alone a maxima. Enduro mtb is working on another of these tests i'm super interested in with the new brakes now on sale.

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Primoz
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Primoz wrote:
Let's just be clear, when we are talking about Codes not being powerful... Are we talking about Code R or Code RS(C)? Because there is a...

Let's just be clear, when we are talking about Codes not being powerful... Are we talking about Code R or Code RS(C)? Because there is a world of difference between the two. 

Evil96 wrote:
meh you can talk about ultimates as well, still not that powerful. https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/ according to this test, all details are in the link, with a given...

meh you can talk about ultimates as well, still not that powerful.

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

according to this test, all details are in the link, with a given force to the lever equal to every brake in test code rsc were "producing" only 70nm to the rotor, meaning that the ultra powerful maven being 50% stronger would be 105nm, so still less then a direttissima, let alone a maxima. Enduro mtb is working on another of these tests i'm super interested in with the new brakes now on sale.

Weird, I distinctly remember Enduro's test showing Code R and Code RSC/Ultimate having the same braking torque with Code RSC being above both. Which would be logical given the swing link.

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Pretty sure Giant did a kindergarten colouring in competition for the new 2024 bikes   

Pretty sure Giant did a kindergarten colouring in competition for the new 2024 bikes 

 

MY24ReignAdvanced1 ColorADigitalBlurpleMY24ReignAdvanced2 ColorASangria CarbonMY24ReignSX ColorASeaSparkle HematiteMY24TranceAdvanced290 ColorAShoreline SeaSparkleMY24-Reign-Advanced-FR Color-A-Rainbow-Sprayed

MY24-Trance-Advanced-29-FR Color-A-Sustained-Grey

glad the demo 7 graphics designer finally got a new job

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peecee wrote:
Pretty sure Giant did a kindergarten colouring in competition for the new 2024 bikes   

Pretty sure Giant did a kindergarten colouring in competition for the new 2024 bikes 

 

MY24ReignAdvanced1 ColorADigitalBlurpleMY24ReignAdvanced2 ColorASangria CarbonMY24ReignSX ColorASeaSparkle HematiteMY24TranceAdvanced290 ColorAShoreline SeaSparkleMY24-Reign-Advanced-FR Color-A-Rainbow-Sprayed

MY24-Trance-Advanced-29-FR Color-A-Sustained-Grey

sethimus wrote:

glad the demo 7 graphics designer finally got a new job

Do we have more info on the race face era wheel

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mtbAndy wrote:
It looks like Competitive Cyclist couldn't wait for 8am PST. I snipped this from their website around 8:20am EST. https://www.competitivecyclist.com/sram-maven-limited-edition-brakes-expert-kit

maven 1.png?VersionId=liZxbA.4GMXlnnAdtsR7t5j9bZe8KIt looks like Competitive Cyclist couldn't wait for 8am PST. I snipped this from their website around 8:20am EST.

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/sram-maven-limited-edition-brakes-ex…

I got a notification that Spomer created a Product Review: Maven Ultimate Expert Kit. Click on it, no authorization. Seems like imminent release.

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Looking forward to the sram marketing team's approach to explaining why they went with mineral oil 

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Evil96 wrote:
20th of March, some limited edition red splatter that will come with different size rotors up to 200, they don't recommend 220, 18.5 and 19mm pistons...

20th of March, some limited edition red splatter that will come with different size rotors up to 200, they don't recommend 220, 18.5 and 19mm pistons, mineral as we all now, claimed 50% more power than codes, bold statement imo

So they don’t recommend 220 rotors, but they offer them anyway? 

IMG 6481 0

A “rotor travel bag” is a thing now…?

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2/22/2024 6:52am Edited Date/Time 2/22/2024 6:53am

Random... @iceman2058 you guys ever consider doing a tools/tech shootout on digital shock pumps & digital pressure gauges?  
I don't so much need a competition style format.

But would like to see an article/video combo going over all the in's and outs of them.  

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2/22/2024 6:53am
Evil96 wrote:
20th of March, some limited edition red splatter that will come with different size rotors up to 200, they don't recommend 220, 18.5 and 19mm pistons...

20th of March, some limited edition red splatter that will come with different size rotors up to 200, they don't recommend 220, 18.5 and 19mm pistons, mineral as we all now, claimed 50% more power than codes, bold statement imo

So they don’t recommend 220 rotors, but they offer them anyway?  A “rotor travel bag” is a thing now…?

So they don’t recommend 220 rotors, but they offer them anyway? 

IMG 6481 0

A “rotor travel bag” is a thing now…?

I believe they don’t suggest dual 220s. Idk rotor bag would be pretty solid for garage storage too.

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LOL. SRAM has been redoing their shipping and warehouse all year. Why? So they can sell consumer direct. Bye bye Bike shops. This is the end. 

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18LifeToGo wrote:

LOL. SRAM has been redoing their shipping and warehouse all year. Why? So they can sell consumer direct. Bye bye Bike shops. This is the end. 

Anytime a brand starts doing consumer direct that is the sentiment. Has yet to be the case. 

Spez, Trek, Intense, Yeti and so many others. 

Same was said when Canyon and Commencal started to expand globally in consumer direct. 

That said, hopefully shops will begin to evolve their model. How they react to more brands offering consumer direct will determine their futures.

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mattwright wrote:
Sram Maven Ultimate Stealth Expert Brake Kit – Limited Edition Splash Red - $999.00 Maven drops at 8:00am PST Hoping its not just the red colour...

Sram Maven Ultimate Stealth Expert Brake Kit – Limited Edition Splash Red - $999.00

Screenshot 2024-02-21 at 11.58.11 PM 2

Screenshot 2024-02-22 at 12.08.57 AM

Maven drops at 8:00am PST

Hoping its not just the red colour to start..

Evil96 wrote:
i know it's not just brakes, but it's nuts 1k for sram brakes, must be crazy to pay that much for something mass produced, when you...

i know it's not just brakes, but it's nuts 1k for sram brakes, must be crazy to pay that much for something mass produced, when you can get direttissima brakes, handmade and checked for a tad more, or other options anyway with much higher quality like hope

 

$599 US.

A little more than half the Direttissima, comes with 4 rotors, two pairs of pads, bleed kit, rotor bag. 

Not terrible for high end brakes, but it would take some very impressive performance to make me switch from my DH-R EVOs.

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2/22/2024 7:40am

Push nine.one is 7 days away. 
I have three fat juicey credit cards at zero balance waiting…… 

but do I wait for the vital test to come out first? Do I go all in and get a shock at the same time?

New monster Sram brakes? Meh. 

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Losifer wrote:
$599 US. A little more than half the Direttissima, comes with 4 rotors, two pairs of pads, bleed kit, rotor bag.  Not terrible for high end...

$599 US.

A little more than half the Direttissima, comes with 4 rotors, two pairs of pads, bleed kit, rotor bag. 

Not terrible for high end brakes, but it would take some very impressive performance to make me switch from my DH-R EVOs.

i was just thinking the same thing. that's actually not a bad value. i'm tempted to pick one up just for S&G. 

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2/22/2024 7:47am
18LifeToGo wrote:

LOL. SRAM has been redoing their shipping and warehouse all year. Why? So they can sell consumer direct. Bye bye Bike shops. This is the end. 

Simcik wrote:
Anytime a brand starts doing consumer direct that is the sentiment. Has yet to be the case.  Spez, Trek, Intense, Yeti and so many others.  Same...

Anytime a brand starts doing consumer direct that is the sentiment. Has yet to be the case. 

Spez, Trek, Intense, Yeti and so many others. 

Same was said when Canyon and Commencal started to expand globally in consumer direct. 

That said, hopefully shops will begin to evolve their model. How they react to more brands offering consumer direct will determine their futures.

Shops who perform brilliant service will always be in demand. the ski industry is going through the same thing. And if you ride a moto, you’ve been in this world for a while. When the service sucks, you just don’t even go near it; and tell all your buds and ladies to watch out.

i think it’s pretty easy to identify that customer base, as a shop owner, see your profit and loss and know what you need to do. Finding and employing good techs can be a pain, but hopefully focusing on service and crushing it can leave you in the black. 
in my shop we had issues with rent hikes but the retail part was quickly becoming a loss leader in pdx around 2015 ish (commencal, canyon, spesh moving direct bikes, big shops going bigger and locking us out of territory, trek buying bankrupt retailers and flipping them to showrooms) so we leaned in on service and race support with service parts on hand instead of complete bikes. We focused on rapid turnaround and for the pacnw racers and riders it seemed like we killed it. 
service is king (and having the wizards and witches who perform it locked in ) in a world of immediate online gratification. 
people who buy bikes online will always need a service center. Even you vital retired bike wrenches …..

Find one, support them, and hopefully they have cupcakes or a taco shop next door. 

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Anyone else remember the Brembo prototypes in the mid 2000s? I remember hearing they didn’t go into production because they would cost $600 each. Laughing

IMG 6484

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If by "Aliexpress" you mean "the company that designs and manufactures carbon parts for Lotus", then yeah

And LOTUS stands for “ Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious”

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taken from their website: https://www.norco.com/cmsb/uploads/bikes/bikes/my24-sight-c-se-mx-grey-silver-main-full.webp  

Hey @Primoz, You seeing this, and the Slash, and the Druid, Supernaught, and upcoming Dreadnaught, and upcoming Optic?

Just checking in on your prediction of HP idler bikes Wink

This looks better than expected if I'm honest

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peecee wrote:
Pretty sure Giant did a kindergarten colouring in competition for the new 2024 bikes   

Pretty sure Giant did a kindergarten colouring in competition for the new 2024 bikes 

 

MY24ReignAdvanced1 ColorADigitalBlurpleMY24ReignAdvanced2 ColorASangria CarbonMY24ReignSX ColorASeaSparkle HematiteMY24TranceAdvanced290 ColorAShoreline SeaSparkleMY24-Reign-Advanced-FR Color-A-Rainbow-Sprayed

MY24-Trance-Advanced-29-FR Color-A-Sustained-Grey

I think these look amazing!

Especially the Glory DH bike.

I'm long over black bikes, luckily for you theres a whole lot of selection out there.  Pretty sure you could get good deal on an Evil right now. 

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Losifer wrote:
$599 US. A little more than half the Direttissima, comes with 4 rotors, two pairs of pads, bleed kit, rotor bag.  Not terrible for high end...

$599 US.

A little more than half the Direttissima, comes with 4 rotors, two pairs of pads, bleed kit, rotor bag. 

Not terrible for high end brakes, but it would take some very impressive performance to make me switch from my DH-R EVOs.

jonkranked wrote:

i was just thinking the same thing. that's actually not a bad value. i'm tempted to pick one up just for S&G. 

actually, its 4 pairs of pads (2x sintered, 2x organic) plus all mounting hardware too.  couldn't help myself and pulled the trigger.

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2/22/2024 8:53am
Onawalk wrote:
I think these look amazing! Especially the Glory DH bike. I'm long over black bikes, luckily for you theres a whole lot of selection out there. ...

I think these look amazing!

Especially the Glory DH bike.

I'm long over black bikes, luckily for you theres a whole lot of selection out there.  Pretty sure you could get good deal on an Evil right now. 

I have a "form follows function" kind of mind and if there's a change of color without anything in the design that dictates a change of color, it bugs me. So I like my bikes in a plain single color.
And I "hate" it even more when there's a gradient on one hand and a sharp line at the other. My brain is like "Why ? Why did you do it that way ? Did you change your mind as you went along ? Did you run out of paint ?"

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Push nine.one is 7 days away.  I have three fat juicey credit cards at zero balance waiting……  but do I wait for the vital test to...

Push nine.one is 7 days away. 
I have three fat juicey credit cards at zero balance waiting…… 

but do I wait for the vital test to come out first? Do I go all in and get a shock at the same time?

New monster Sram brakes? Meh. 

Suspension tuner in Nelson BC (Interior suspension) has a couple on order, think $3500CAD.......I'll have to check my prediction from a cople months back.  He said he has pre-orders for the next long while all paid for, so if you havent paid into one, expect to wait

Apparently only being built in batches of 5, so very limited quantities

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