From the Gamux Sego release.
What is an Ohlins DH38.2
From the Gamux Sego release.
What is an Ohlins DH38.2
Looks like an updated m.2 version of Ohlins DH38 fork is on the horizon. They already have that version for RXF38 and 36. Previously some of the upgrades from m.1 to m.2 include better sealing for the air spring and bigger negative air volume.
Richie looks to be on Magic Mary on the bike rolling photo. Bike laid down photo harder to make out with the mud, but it's Sharpied out, so not Maxxis.
The prototype Maxxis tire many people have posted is a new tire (or updated Shorty III) that is meant to compete with the Continental Argotal, current gen Hillbilly & WTB Verdict. Those 2:2:2 knob pattern tires all have more 'land' (knob size) vis sea (open space) than the Shorty2. Which makes them more predictable on rocks/roots. This is one of the reason Loic ran the Argotals at Snowshoe this year. So much rock and wanted larger knob surfaces. Riders have been asking for something like this for the past season after the Argotals crushed Snowshoe in 2022.
These new Maxxis 2:2:2 tires are not what's on Richie's bike.
I believe its a new Switchblade. I have seen a local riding a prototype for a bit. I honestly starred at for a while and couldn't figure out what's different. Likely just some geo and kinematics.
I believe its a new Switchblade. I have seen a local riding a prototype for a bit. I honestly starred at for a while and couldn't...
I believe its a new Switchblade. I have seen a local riding a prototype for a bit. I honestly starred at for a while and couldn't figure out what's different. Likely just some geo and kinematics.
I didn’t even realize that what I wrote didn’t work lol. I was thinking it could be a switchblade because I think that’s the last bike that’s been updated in a long time I was really hopeful that the downhill bike was coming out but I think you’re right
Great. Now we'll have an oval bottom bracket standard.
Wow, that's brilliant solution for DH race bike, or any race bike. Adjustable BB height with cups in the oval BB area.
Would cause issues in production bikes I'm sure, given the high stress nature of that location and home mechanics/grit/play/noise.
I believe its a new Switchblade. I have seen a local riding a prototype for a bit. I honestly starred at for a while and couldn't...
I believe its a new Switchblade. I have seen a local riding a prototype for a bit. I honestly starred at for a while and couldn't figure out what's different. Likely just some geo and kinematics.
I didn’t even realize that what I wrote didn’t work lol. I was thinking it could be a switchblade because I think that’s the last bike...
I didn’t even realize that what I wrote didn’t work lol. I was thinking it could be a switchblade because I think that’s the last bike that’s been updated in a long time I was really hopeful that the downhill bike was coming out but I think you’re right
Lots of things to take away here. The way they’ve been talking how the new prototype can be adjusted one way without affecting something else. Changing bottom bracket height and shock rate etc. That adjustable bottom bracket area is surely a part of it.
Lots of things to take away here. The way they’ve been talking how the new prototype can be adjusted one way without affecting something else. Changing...
Lots of things to take away here. The way they’ve been talking how the new prototype can be adjusted one way without affecting something else. Changing bottom bracket height and shock rate etc. That adjustable bottom bracket area is surely a part of it.
Also its a 6 bar, interesting to see more and more companies move to 6 bar to get better adjustment over anti-squat in particular.
I cant see to much adjustments other than dropouts and BB? I guess the links can all be adjusted
Can we please NOT have another nerd-fight about suspension layout names...?
But this is tech rumors, speculating on suspension linkage is like half the fun? We're doing it politely this time anyway.
I can't tell how the "chainstay pivot" and dropout is attached, im presuming the dropout is bolted to the chainstay, so it can't be an inverted horst then (i think?)
But more importantly there are 1 or 2 links denominated "18" and "22" in the graphic so its got too many links to be inverted horst.
All i know is that i won't be buying it, because CBF the servicing time, or cost of that many bearings and links.
But this is tech rumors, speculating on suspension linkage is like half the fun? We're doing it politely this time anyway.
I can't tell how the...
But this is tech rumors, speculating on suspension linkage is like half the fun? We're doing it politely this time anyway.
I can't tell how the "chainstay pivot" and dropout is attached, im presuming the dropout is bolted to the chainstay, so it can't be an inverted horst then (i think?)
But more importantly there are 1 or 2 links denominated "18" and "22" in the graphic so its got too many links to be inverted horst.
All i know is that i won't be buying it, because CBF the servicing time, or cost of that many bearings and links.
I’m not going to get into a nerd fight on what design this is called.
From what I’ve seen from pictures and video of the prototype bike they’ve been racing, this is just a more refined version of it. They built off the Range design. The Range has a huge bottom bracket rocker that gets pulled on by the chainstay to compress the shock. They’ve effectively eliminated it pivoting around the bottom bracket and made a short link (18) that moves and compresses the upper shock link. (20)
Range blueprint for comparison;
I have a Range. Man does it have a lot of bearings. Weighs as much as a tank because of it. This new frame is going to be high maintenance…
Forgive my terrible illustration, but more or less this. I’m guessing in making that lower link much smaller than on the Range they had to get...
Forgive my terrible illustration, but more or less this. I’m guessing in making that lower link much smaller than on the Range they had to get creative to make leverage curve work out and ended up with the linkage driven solution that then had the benefit of more miscellaneous adjustments to play with.
This terrible drawing puts it in line form. Kind of like the Range except the lower link pushes a different link as opposed to directly pushing the shock.
Norco's whole schtick in marketing materials and in their patent application is that this unique design allows them to alter the rate of progression of the leverage rate without affecting other suspension parameters. That sounds really cool, but I've looked at every photo in the PB patent article and I don't see any means in their patent for adjusting leverage rate. No flip chips, or adjustable shock mounts, or sliding mounting points, or anything.
Does anyone know how riders on the new Norco downhill bike are supposed to adjust leverage rate? Are they just talking about swapping links entirely, a la Cascade Components links? Or is there an adjustment built into the frame that my eyes aren't seeing?
Norco's whole schtick in marketing materials and in their patent application is that this unique design allows them to alter the rate of progression of the...
Norco's whole schtick in marketing materials and in their patent application is that this unique design allows them to alter the rate of progression of the leverage rate without affecting other suspension parameters. That sounds really cool, but I've looked at every photo in the PB patent article and I don't see any means in their patent for adjusting leverage rate. No flip chips, or adjustable shock mounts, or sliding mounting points, or anything.
Does anyone know how riders on the new Norco downhill bike are supposed to adjust leverage rate? Are they just talking about swapping links entirely, a la Cascade Components links? Or is there an adjustment built into the frame that my eyes aren't seeing?
Im not sure. I think it was more like a faster DHR2 Style tyre. There were knobs in the centerline of the tyre like on the highroller.
its hard to discribe.
this one looks like a cut shorty.
but i could be wrong.
Looks like an updated m.2 version of Ohlins DH38 fork is on the horizon. They already have that version for RXF38 and 36. Previously some of the upgrades from m.1 to m.2 include better sealing for the air spring and bigger negative air volume.
Richie's front tyre (bike leaned over) looks very much like a Magic Mary...
It could also be a Tacky Chan. The side knobs scream Schwalbe to me with how they're pointed out rather than in (like Conti).
Given Richie's riding style, I could see him liking a tire that Amaury and Thibaut developed. SMASH SMASH
Tacky Chan's don't have the intermediate knob which is present on the tire he is on in the riding photo.
Speaking of Maxxis tires that don’t look like production versions…
Looks kinda like a Shorty
Richie looks to be on Magic Mary on the bike rolling photo. Bike laid down photo harder to make out with the mud, but it's Sharpied out, so not Maxxis.
The prototype Maxxis tire many people have posted is a new tire (or updated Shorty III) that is meant to compete with the Continental Argotal, current gen Hillbilly & WTB Verdict. Those 2:2:2 knob pattern tires all have more 'land' (knob size) vis sea (open space) than the Shorty2. Which makes them more predictable on rocks/roots. This is one of the reason Loic ran the Argotals at Snowshoe this year. So much rock and wanted larger knob surfaces. Riders have been asking for something like this for the past season after the Argotals crushed Snowshoe in 2022.
These new Maxxis 2:2:2 tires are not what's on Richie's bike.
Interesting, that he is grasping for the saddle while airborne. Just like there was a lever between his middle finger and saddle
Thats going to be a long wait until the June
02-06 it' s 6 february and not 2 june
new things about norco comming soon
I believe its a new Switchblade. I have seen a local riding a prototype for a bit. I honestly starred at for a while and couldn't figure out what's different. Likely just some geo and kinematics.
I didn’t even realize that what I wrote didn’t work lol. I was thinking it could be a switchblade because I think that’s the last bike that’s been updated in a long time I was really hopeful that the downhill bike was coming out but I think you’re right
Great. Now we'll have an oval bottom bracket standard.
Wow, that's brilliant solution for DH race bike, or any race bike. Adjustable BB height with cups in the oval BB area.
Would cause issues in production bikes I'm sure, given the high stress nature of that location and home mechanics/grit/play/noise.
might be a team rumor too...
Lots of things to take away here. The way they’ve been talking how the new prototype can be adjusted one way without affecting something else. Changing bottom bracket height and shock rate etc. That adjustable bottom bracket area is surely a part of it.
Def a switchblade. That color has been rumored for a while, and I think it is minimal changes to the front triangle only
Also its a 6 bar, interesting to see more and more companies move to 6 bar to get better adjustment over anti-squat in particular.
I cant see to much adjustments other than dropouts and BB? I guess the links can all be adjusted
It looks like a linkage driven inverted Horst to me
And it looks like a squishy boing-boing to me...
Can we please NOT have another nerd-fight about suspension layout names...?
But this is tech rumors, speculating on suspension linkage is like half the fun? We're doing it politely this time anyway.
I can't tell how the "chainstay pivot" and dropout is attached, im presuming the dropout is bolted to the chainstay, so it can't be an inverted horst then (i think?)
But more importantly there are 1 or 2 links denominated "18" and "22" in the graphic so its got too many links to be inverted horst.
All i know is that i won't be buying it, because CBF the servicing time, or cost of that many bearings and links.
I’m not going to get into a nerd fight on what design this is called.
From what I’ve seen from pictures and video of the prototype bike they’ve been racing, this is just a more refined version of it. They built off the Range design. The Range has a huge bottom bracket rocker that gets pulled on by the chainstay to compress the shock. They’ve effectively eliminated it pivoting around the bottom bracket and made a short link (18) that moves and compresses the upper shock link. (20)
Range blueprint for comparison;
I have a Range. Man does it have a lot of bearings. Weighs as much as a tank because of it. This new frame is going to be high maintenance…
I'm really trying to wrap my head around the linkage, can somebody smart explain how the linkage is driving the shock?
This terrible drawing puts it in line form. Kind of like the Range except the lower link pushes a different link as opposed to directly pushing the shock.
Norco's whole schtick in marketing materials and in their patent application is that this unique design allows them to alter the rate of progression of the leverage rate without affecting other suspension parameters. That sounds really cool, but I've looked at every photo in the PB patent article and I don't see any means in their patent for adjusting leverage rate. No flip chips, or adjustable shock mounts, or sliding mounting points, or anything.
Does anyone know how riders on the new Norco downhill bike are supposed to adjust leverage rate? Are they just talking about swapping links entirely, a la Cascade Components links? Or is there an adjustment built into the frame that my eyes aren't seeing?
This?