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Uncle Cliffy
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11/26/2023 9:47pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2023 5:40am
pinkrobe wrote:
Heard a doozy of a rumour - Norco going to high pivots across ALL their full-suspension bikes in 2024. I find this one hard to believe...

Heard a doozy of a rumour - Norco going to high pivots across ALL their full-suspension bikes in 2024. I find this one hard to believe [a high pivot Revolver?????], but the source seemed sure... 

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Optic and sight are 

VLT Sight/Range going high pivot as well. The Fluid isn’t changing.

They’re also doing mixed wheel configurations on all models. I think the VLTs are mixed only, and the analog bikes will be able to switch between the two wheel sizes. 

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11/26/2023 11:41pm

If the Sight/Optic VLT are going high pivot, then so is the Range VLT. Now this would be 1 hell of an e-bike! Smile

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11/27/2023 5:39am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2023 5:41am

If the Sight/Optic VLT are going high pivot, then so is the Range VLT. Now this would be 1 hell of an e-bike! Smile

I forgot to mention the Range VLT will be high pivot as well. Different suspension configuration from the analog Range though. From the renderings I saw, the new Norcos look very similar in design to the current Slash. A high pivot Horst.

 

Edited above: I’m not sure they are doing a VLT Optic actually. Sight and Range for sure.

 

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11/27/2023 6:25am

Anyone have a guess what Push is teasing on Instagram?  Apparently "A new approach to rear suspension" will be released tomorrow.  

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11/27/2023 6:45am

Just their single damping circuit "cheap" version of a rear coil.

Probably still close to $1000 I bet.

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11/27/2023 6:47am

Anyone have a guess what Push is teasing on Instagram?  Apparently "A new approach to rear suspension" will be released tomorrow.  

Gotta be that shock that they conveniently let slip in a short bit ago.

They just posted "SV Eight", so single valve?  "Budget" shock form Push as guessed before?

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11/27/2023 8:39am

I feel like the norco optic/sight high pivot rumor has been around for at least 2 years now. And also totally believe it, it’s just been “about to happen” for so long. 
 

Makes me want to find a current optic before they’re all gone.

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11/27/2023 8:58am

Anyone have a guess what Push is teasing on Instagram?  Apparently "A new approach to rear suspension" will be released tomorrow.  

MTBrent wrote:
Gotta be that shock that they conveniently let slip in a short bit ago. They just posted "SV Eight", so single valve?  "Budget" shock form Push...

Gotta be that shock that they conveniently let slip in a short bit ago.

They just posted "SV Eight", so single valve?  "Budget" shock form Push as guessed before?

push-new-shock 0

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11/27/2023 9:08am

There’s been lots of Norco rumours. The renderings of the high pivot optic and sight have been around for quite a while. Also hearing that as a company they are bleeding lots of cash. 
hard times. 

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11/27/2023 9:15am

Anyone have a guess what Push is teasing on Instagram?  Apparently "A new approach to rear suspension" will be released tomorrow.  

MTBrent wrote:
Gotta be that shock that they conveniently let slip in a short bit ago. They just posted "SV Eight", so single valve?  "Budget" shock form Push...

Gotta be that shock that they conveniently let slip in a short bit ago.

They just posted "SV Eight", so single valve?  "Budget" shock form Push as guessed before?

dolface wrote:

push-new-shock 0

SV = Single Valve

Eight = Eight hundred dollars MSRP

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11/27/2023 10:07am
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SV = Single Valve

Eight = Eight hundred dollars MSRP

$800 would be nice but my guess is it'll be closer to $1000 MSRP - I hope I'm wrong. In a podcast I believe they mentioned 11-6 name came from being the 11th revision of the shock before release... or something like that. 

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nskerb wrote:
I feel like the norco optic/sight high pivot rumor has been around for at least 2 years now. And also totally believe it, it’s just been...

I feel like the norco optic/sight high pivot rumor has been around for at least 2 years now. And also totally believe it, it’s just been “about to happen” for so long. 
 

Makes me want to find a current optic before they’re all gone.

Like many other companies, they are sitting on excessive inventory. Pandemic wasn’t easy on them. Have you looked at the website? Optics are an awesome deal right now. 

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11/27/2023 10:37am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2023 10:38am
jonkranked wrote:

SV = Single Valve

Eight = Eight hundred dollars MSRP

2supple wrote:
$800 would be nice but my guess is it'll be closer to $1000 MSRP - I hope I'm wrong. In a podcast I believe they mentioned...

$800 would be nice but my guess is it'll be closer to $1000 MSRP - I hope I'm wrong. In a podcast I believe they mentioned 11-6 name came from being the 11th revision of the shock before release... or something like that. 

i was about to say that wouldn't make sense, as it would be too close to the price of the 11-6, but then I remembered with the latest revision of the 11-6 MSRP bumped up to $1600 D'oh.gif

 

(my comment was tongue in cheek as well, no way would a company have a price reference in their product sku nomenclature)

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11/27/2023 11:09am
jonkranked wrote:

SV = Single Valve

Eight = Eight hundred dollars MSRP

2supple wrote:
$800 would be nice but my guess is it'll be closer to $1000 MSRP - I hope I'm wrong. In a podcast I believe they mentioned...

$800 would be nice but my guess is it'll be closer to $1000 MSRP - I hope I'm wrong. In a podcast I believe they mentioned 11-6 name came from being the 11th revision of the shock before release... or something like that. 

jonkranked wrote:
i was about to say that wouldn't make sense, as it would be too close to the price of the 11-6, but then I remembered with...

i was about to say that wouldn't make sense, as it would be too close to the price of the 11-6, but then I remembered with the latest revision of the 11-6 MSRP bumped up to $1600 D'oh.gif

 

(my comment was tongue in cheek as well, no way would a company have a price reference in their product sku nomenclature)

(disclaimer: Push dealer here)

 

From what I can tell, the MSRP of a complete Fox DHX2 is about $850 USD these days (including spring & hardware), just to give some context

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11/27/2023 11:14am Edited Date/Time 11/27/2023 11:14am
VLT Sight/Range going high pivot as well. The Fluid isn’t changing. They’re also doing mixed wheel configurations on all models. I think the VLTs are mixed...

VLT Sight/Range going high pivot as well. The Fluid isn’t changing.

They’re also doing mixed wheel configurations on all models. I think the VLTs are mixed only, and the analog bikes will be able to switch between the two wheel sizes. 

Can we please call them "MuscleBikes"? That is what they are called in Spain (and maybe other countries)

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11/27/2023 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2023 12:24pm
VLT Sight/Range going high pivot as well. The Fluid isn’t changing. They’re also doing mixed wheel configurations on all models. I think the VLTs are mixed...

VLT Sight/Range going high pivot as well. The Fluid isn’t changing.

They’re also doing mixed wheel configurations on all models. I think the VLTs are mixed only, and the analog bikes will be able to switch between the two wheel sizes. 

Tim Horton wrote:

Can we please call them "MuscleBikes"? That is what they are called in Spain (and maybe other countries)

I'm sure there is a better thread for this 'discussion' but 'e-bikes' already have a name that clearly differentiates them from 'bikes' so there is no need to rename 'bikes' in any way or form.

Silly 

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11/27/2023 12:49pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2023 12:51pm

I call my hardtail "meat powered" now lol

The Norco VLT thing will be interesting, In Australia the deals on those bikes are incredible, 40% off RRP, sometimes coming with a free battery. I feel like a sucker paying full retail when they came out!

It would not surprise me if a new one comes out, but current gen only 2 years old. I suppose they did a <2 year layover on the model previous.

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11/27/2023 12:55pm
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I call my hardtail "meat powered" now lol The Norco VLT thing will be interesting, In Australia the deals on those bikes are incredible, 40% off...

I call my hardtail "meat powered" now lol

The Norco VLT thing will be interesting, In Australia the deals on those bikes are incredible, 40% off RRP, sometimes coming with a free battery. I feel like a sucker paying full retail when they came out!

It would not surprise me if a new one comes out, but current gen only 2 years old. I suppose they did a <2 year layover on the model previous.

LOL

Another thing about the new Sight and Range VLT models is they are sticking with one size of battery. Gone is the three different size choices. 750 size battery which is pretty good. Bosch power as well.

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11/27/2023 1:30pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2023 1:53pm
O1D4 wrote:
I'm sure there is a better thread for this 'discussion' but 'e-bikes' already have a name that clearly differentiates them from 'bikes' so there is no...

I'm sure there is a better thread for this 'discussion' but 'e-bikes' already have a name that clearly differentiates them from 'bikes' so there is no need to rename 'bikes' in any way or form.

Silly 

Exactly. I've never heard anyone refer to a non powered toothbrush as analogue or acoustic. 

 

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11/27/2023 1:52pm

I believe the high pivot Norco Sight prototype was posted in this thread, but can't find it anymore.

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11/27/2023 4:24pm

Looks like it's close to production-ready Smile

 

 

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11/27/2023 6:38pm

Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n greatest wonder bikes get the high pivot treatment.

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11/27/2023 8:40pm Edited Date/Time 11/27/2023 8:40pm
HexonJuan wrote:
Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n...

Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n greatest wonder bikes get the high pivot treatment.

High pivot doesn't make a 'wonder bike' it makes a plough Bike(in general)

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O1D4 wrote:
I'm sure there is a better thread for this 'discussion' but 'e-bikes' already have a name that clearly differentiates them from 'bikes' so there is no...

I'm sure there is a better thread for this 'discussion' but 'e-bikes' already have a name that clearly differentiates them from 'bikes' so there is no need to rename 'bikes' in any way or form.

Silly 

veefour wrote:

Exactly. I've never heard anyone refer to a non powered toothbrush as analogue or acoustic. 

 

I've been calling regular bikes "Naturally asperated" for a couple years but it hasn't caught on yet. 

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11/28/2023 5:59am
HexonJuan wrote:
Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n...

Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n greatest wonder bikes get the high pivot treatment.

I've seen and ridden the new Norcos and these are legit. They are proper good bikes.

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11/28/2023 6:22am
HexonJuan wrote:
Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n...

Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n greatest wonder bikes get the high pivot treatment.

High pivot doesn't make a 'wonder bike' it makes a plough Bike(in general)

Right. Point of the post was about product differentiation. The new HP bikes will be New and Improved compared to their FSR rigs, making em easier to market and easier for dealers to sell. Kind of important when a consumer looks around and notices there are a lot of bikes with FSR from other brands that strangely cut similar silhouettes. This shouldn't be taken as a slight against Norco. They have to keep evolving/changing designs to keep interest, just like any other biz.

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11/28/2023 6:23am Edited Date/Time 11/28/2023 6:24am
HexonJuan wrote:
Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n...

Norco going high pivot on models above Fluid makes a lotta sense from a company standpoint. Product differentiation. Fluid gets the old layout, the latest n greatest wonder bikes get the high pivot treatment.

I've seen and ridden the new Norcos and these are legit. They are proper good bikes.

Color my interest piqued. I felt the same about a friend's Optic. I think Norco has done a lot of good homework when it comes to fit and function over the last 4 years.

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11/28/2023 7:01am

Dec 7th is going to bring some new potions to the witchcraft

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