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good thing they are selling the tyee with rock shox coil shocks
Not sure if youre being sarcastic here, but for benefit of the doubt.
EXT makes light weight, high quality springs and adapters to fit most rear shocks. Think of it like an after market spring, that comes is smaller spring rate steps, to fit loads of other shocks. Allows you to find a more refined setup, for those that think they need it.
try order a complete bike from them with a fitting spring if you are over 105kg. or try pumping up your air shock over the manufacurer limit if you are in the same camp. not possible, because they decided on a 55mm stroke shock…
Wait wait wait, I can understand your point regarding the coil shocks, but how has the shock length anything to do with the max pressure you can put in an air shock ?
A shorter shock for a given travel means a higher (overall) leverage ratio. A higher leverage ratio requires a stiffer spring (coil or air, so higher pressure with an air spring) to provide the same force (support) at the rear wheel. With a short shock heavier riders can fall outside the pressure limits to reach the desired force at the wheel.
Because when you use a short stroke shock on a long travel bike, you need very high spring rates (either from a coil or air shock) for typical sag. When I put a Cascade link on my Levo (55mm stroke), it went up from 150mm travel to 162mm, and required me to go up 75# in spring rate on my coil shock to get the same sag. I don't recall what my air pressure was before, but with an air shock I'm now at 215 psi for a 170 lb rider. If I was a typical fatass ebike rider, I'd be easily right up against the pressure limit of a lot of air shocks (~300-350 psi).
That's one of the reasons why Cascade makes a LS (Long Stroke) version of their link for the Levo which lets you use a 65mm stroke shock for the same travel. Going by the usual spring rate calculators, that change would let me drop spring rates by about 175#, or about 30%.
When EXT released their air shock, I tried to figure out roughly what pressure I'd run on the same bike in 55mm stroke configuration, and even at my average weight, I'd need more than the maximum allowable for the ++ chamber.
could be worse. santa cruz gen 2 super 8 with riders running 800, 900 and even 1000 pounds springs
https://products.mtbr.com/product/older-categories-bikes/2002-full-susp…
Deez kids jus don’t kno.
pretty sure my 2001 RM7 came stock with a 900 pound spring. 2.25 stroke Vanilla RC for 7 inches of travel.
older bikes often had very high spring rates, then we learnt that having spring and damper forces closer together is much better performance wise
The real problem with 55mm stroke shocks on enduro bikes is the lack of damping force, ive got a GT Force with a 55mm shock and its the one problem with it, spring force is fine.
Well we can all calm down because measuring off that photo by scaling from the wheel rims indicates that it's a 205mm shock.
I’ve heard the anti rise is about 90% at sag then goes lower, deeper in the travel. I can not confirm but it’s what I heard from someone who worked with Commencal. It does pedal better than the Trek Session, I can confirm that. And it’s a little less active under braking than the session.
Can confirm,
currently looking for a 1000lb spring for my RM-7 restoration project!
They are not using the same frame, it's not even close. I don't think it's ground breaking, others are doing it, but it's certainly not what I expected and a huge departure from the current model and the rest of the line as a whole.
No idea on the embargo date yet.
The comment surprised me at first, so I went and took, looks way more than close.
Its definitively conceivable, with a slightly different link, and stroke shock, they could be the same frame. Even the geo chart is pretty close honestly.
Weights are real similar as well....
Isn’t he refering to the new, unreleased model that he can’t talk about? May be RM decided to separate the 2 models further apart for the new gen.
My guess is they’re going HP for the enduro model and non-HP for the trail/AM model, kinda like Norco. More and more HP enduro bikes show up, with not so extreme high pivots, so may be that’s the golden point. I keep wondering what the HP Slash will be like detail-wise, cause i’m getting a lot of Chainsaw vibes from its pics till now.
underwhelming IMO
So what’s so state-of-the-art that they kept it under wraps for so much time?
I think it is probably more a case of hiding it while they go through multiple iterations of the design before they reach a point where they are happy to release it and show the public? And while it may not look like a significant change to the average person, kinematics wise, the changes they have done to the linkages can make a significant difference to the ride feel.
These kind of covers are widespread now and they are eye-catching, and I think that's what their purpose is. Any thoughts on the shock being mounted on the rear triangle and side-loads?
According to the seatstay, it's still a ''wrap''...
Dear community, any info on when the new Trek Slash will be released? It looked very production-ready to me in the latest spy shots…
It’s all speculation really, so who knows.
the comment on the Altitude and Instinct being the same frame I figured was referencing the current models, and I’ll be damned if I could pick out any real differences other than link and rear shock.
Norcos bikes are a strange one to me, that Range is a beast, and I think racers are still leaning towards the Sight as the race bike. The new carbon Fluid makes me think the new Optic is a HP, idler affair, similar to the V2 Druid, and I’m stoked to see it!
pit bits from world champs. has mondraker in there
As seen in pit bits video.
Mondraker now mounts to rear triangle, not lower link. It has adjustable rear triangle plates for stiffness and bolt in BB bracket. Even though it looks like the old frame, I bet it ride’s completely different!
Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio and basically CS length. Great for a test mule but could also be nice to see on a commercially available bike.
new fox 32??
Sure does look like it. They obviously learned something and drew a lot of inspiration from their gravel fork.
worlds pit bits 1 - https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/pit-bits-1-world-champs-2023/f…
I've done this. Expando foam in the frame to make is dead silent. Just use sparingly as too much will actually crack a frame.