2023 Racing Talk

One Ghost
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7/15/2023 2:18pm
earleb wrote:
Regarding Whistler and WC DH, regardless of how big Crankworx is they need to jump through all the UCI hoops to even apply for a WC...

Regarding Whistler and WC DH, regardless of how big Crankworx is they need to jump through all the UCI hoops to even apply for a WC level event. This includes hosting regional, provincial, and national level UCI sanctioned events. WBP has been ticking off these boxes over the last number of years. 

In June they did a Canada Cup XC so checking off that national box. 

https://www.uci.org/competition-details/2023/MTB/69507

In 2022 they hosted BC Cup DH.

Let's hope they've ticked all the boxes 

If we look at the 2024 calendar there is a slim chance? 

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – XCO 21-22.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 21-22.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – EDR 28-29.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 28-29.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS – XCM 28-29.09.2024 Snowshoe (USA)

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – XCO 05-06.10.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 05-06.10.2024 Outside Europe

Whistler then Snowshoe then MSA? 

One Ghost wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be Bromont, Snowshoe, MSA. The travel time is too short to get rigs from the west coast to the east in...

I'm pretty sure it will be Bromont, Snowshoe, MSA. The travel time is too short to get rigs from the west coast to the east in time to set up. Also, Bromont has been putting in an epic amount of work this summer building new stuff and working on old stuff. 

Bromont is the best little mountain! Do you know if they are interested in a WC? It's been a while since they have hosted one.

Agreed!

my buddy and I were sleuthing the other day when we saw the schedule dates and it all lined up to three east coast venues at the end, not Whistler then the final two east coast. It’s possible but not probable. Bromont was the most logical conclusion 

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7/15/2023 2:20pm
dolface wrote:

Jess Blewitt "explodes" her foot at Hardline Sad (Her term, remains to be seen what the damage is)

 

 

I’m just gutted for Jess for this but at least she’s going to be ok, eventually. I hope it’s not bad enough to sideline the season for her. 

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7/15/2023 2:32pm

Any seeding results available for USA national champs?

7/15/2023 4:59pm

Jess is tough as they come.  She’ll be back soon.  Witnessed her snowshoe crash in person. If I had a hugey like that I’d probably put the bike down.

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7/16/2023 3:02am

Hardline cancelled:

"Having monitored course conditions in collaboration with the riders to provide the best possible chance of putting on a safe event, due to the extreme weather conditions in the Dyfi valley the decision has been made to cancel Red Bull Hardline to ensure the safety of the riders."

7/16/2023 7:08am

Bummer they had to cancel Hardline, but it seems like the right call.

I may be in the minority and it's probably not feasible but, I'd like to see more technical terrain for Hardline, even if it's an alternate track. The jumps all basically have to be hit at the same speed so they don't separate the rider times. As a race it's won or lost in the technical sections, so give us more sections like that which are not so weather dependent. 

 

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7/16/2023 7:29am

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 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane! He doesn’t even race enduro as his primary discipline!

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BK absolutely SENDING it in the wet.

Dudes were riding around everything and he just goes for it.

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7/16/2023 8:59am
 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane...

IMG 9145

 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane! He doesn’t even race enduro as his primary discipline!

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro results. 

Anyone know the legit timing issues with the National Champs enduro? heard the last stage the timing broke and the 'backup' which might have been just wrist watches wasn't even optimal, throw in the fact that Richie lost by fraction of a second, has to be hard for Richie to swallow-but He has DH today right? 

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7/16/2023 9:58am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2023 9:58am
chriskief wrote:
  BK absolutely SENDING it in the wet. Dudes were riding around everything and he just goes for it.
 

BK absolutely SENDING it in the wet.

Dudes were riding around everything and he just goes for it.

The big news here is that Mr Warner might be commentating at the Worlds for the BBC. Get your VPNs at the ready!

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7/16/2023 10:21am
 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane...

IMG 9145

 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane! He doesn’t even race enduro as his primary discipline!

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro...

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro results. 

Anyone know the legit timing issues with the National Champs enduro? heard the last stage the timing broke and the 'backup' which might have been just wrist watches wasn't even optimal, throw in the fact that Richie lost by fraction of a second, has to be hard for Richie to swallow-but He has DH today right? 

Yes, they both have downhill today. I think Asa qualified first, downhill is his focus.

He got 3rd at the US Open last year and won a DHSE race by two seconds, Aaron Gwin was second. 

I've ridden with him a few times, kid is amazing!

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7/16/2023 11:03am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2023 12:05pm

national champs downhill looks like it's underway, timing link (not live, but updates w/ refresh...the "sunday" pulldown at the top of the page if it doesn't directly land there) - https://my.raceresult.com/253104/#0_717CD6

if these are indeed times from today, looks like asa won his class w/ a 2:11, ryder lawrence in 2nd w/ a 2:15

pinkerton won jr w/ a 2:06, medcalf 2nd w/ 2:08

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anna newkirk takes women's victory with 2:25, kailey skelton 2nd with 2:29

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luca shaw wins men's with a 2:05 (the 2:07 is his seeding time)

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chriskief wrote:
  BK absolutely SENDING it in the wet. Dudes were riding around everything and he just goes for it.
 

BK absolutely SENDING it in the wet.

Dudes were riding around everything and he just goes for it.

that was so awesome! riders scrambling to get off lips, he's passing riders! GNARLY!

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7/16/2023 1:43pm
chriskief wrote:
  BK absolutely SENDING it in the wet. Dudes were riding around everything and he just goes for it.
 

BK absolutely SENDING it in the wet.

Dudes were riding around everything and he just goes for it.

This is hands down one of the most insane POVs I've ever seen. 

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7/16/2023 3:07pm

Neko 10th? That's awesome 

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7/16/2023 4:05pm

It's too bad Hardline had to be canceled, but I am thankful for the entertainment provided by the rider made content. 

Why is it that Hardline escapes all the safety criticisms from the riders that the Work Cup events receive? Not one tree pad in site. No safety netting. B-Zone is typically instant death from top to bottom. And the speeds have to be utterly insane to clear those gaps. 

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7/16/2023 4:30pm
funktekk wrote:
It's too bad Hardline had to be canceled, but I am thankful for the entertainment provided by the rider made content.  Why is it that Hardline...

It's too bad Hardline had to be canceled, but I am thankful for the entertainment provided by the rider made content. 

Why is it that Hardline escapes all the safety criticisms from the riders that the Work Cup events receive? Not one tree pad in site. No safety netting. B-Zone is typically instant death from top to bottom. And the speeds have to be utterly insane to clear those gaps. 

Hardline is somewhat invite only is it not? Or at least choice riders. No Jr racers and not a couple hundred people on track, and you know what your signing up for with hardline, kind of like Rampage which also has death at every corner.

World cup has Jr racers, hundreds of people on track over the weekend and less time to pick apart  and practice so shouldn't they be held to a higher standard of safety and course design? It's the top tier of the sport and it should be treated as such.

Going back a few years, would Brook have laid on the side of the track for hours at hardline? I bet they'd have had him stabilized and out of there ASAP because they have staff on hand ready to go. 

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7/16/2023 4:49pm

Bernard Kerr is TEAM ROBOT's consensus 2023 Hardline World Champion for being the first (and only?) one to do a full practice run in those windy and wet conditions, including both 90 foot gaps. Give him the gold medal.

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7/16/2023 5:43pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Bernard Kerr is TEAM ROBOT's consensus 2023 Hardline World Champion for being the first (and only?) one to do a full practice run in those windy...

Bernard Kerr is TEAM ROBOT's consensus 2023 Hardline World Champion for being the first (and only?) one to do a full practice run in those windy and wet conditions, including both 90 foot gaps. Give him the gold medal.

They should have let him compete alone.

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7/16/2023 6:20pm

I think they canceled the race to save BK's life. Did you hear the wind gusts at the top before he dropped in? Anyone who's jonesing so hard to win that they'll hit a 90 foot gap in a 20 mph cross wind (and then does it, successfully) deserves their medal.

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7/16/2023 8:00pm

Think bk is mentally towards the end of his racing career and the dude is absolutely going to put it all on the line for some more hardware 

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7/16/2023 8:12pm
 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane...

IMG 9145

 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane! He doesn’t even race enduro as his primary discipline!

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro...

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro results. 

Anyone know the legit timing issues with the National Champs enduro? heard the last stage the timing broke and the 'backup' which might have been just wrist watches wasn't even optimal, throw in the fact that Richie lost by fraction of a second, has to be hard for Richie to swallow-but He has DH today right? 

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race.

And now he is double national champ with his age group DH win. The kid has skills.

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7/16/2023 8:14pm
 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane...

IMG 9145

 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane! He doesn’t even race enduro as his primary discipline!

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro...

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro results. 

Anyone know the legit timing issues with the National Champs enduro? heard the last stage the timing broke and the 'backup' which might have been just wrist watches wasn't even optimal, throw in the fact that Richie lost by fraction of a second, has to be hard for Richie to swallow-but He has DH today right? 

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race. And now he is double national...

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race.

And now he is double national champ with his age group DH win. The kid has skills.

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be in those age brackets.

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7/17/2023 4:19am Edited Date/Time 7/17/2023 4:20am

Seems like canceling hardline was the right call, but still sucks. I wonder if next year they'll have a window of a few days in which the race can be held (as soon as they have good enough conditions) so as to avoid this kind of situation. I think some ski/snowboard competitions do this. Tho admittedly, snow sports generally have a much narrower range of acceptable weather/snow/light conditions than biking does. They could put in gnarly rock gardens that by-pass the largest/most exposed jumps (and close jumps in case of high wind) and I'd still watch. It might make a wind race have a bit of an asterisk, but still better than completely canceling. 

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7/17/2023 5:15am
kcy4130 wrote:
Seems like canceling hardline was the right call, but still sucks. I wonder if next year they'll have a window of a few days in which...

Seems like canceling hardline was the right call, but still sucks. I wonder if next year they'll have a window of a few days in which the race can be held (as soon as they have good enough conditions) so as to avoid this kind of situation. I think some ski/snowboard competitions do this. Tho admittedly, snow sports generally have a much narrower range of acceptable weather/snow/light conditions than biking does. They could put in gnarly rock gardens that by-pass the largest/most exposed jumps (and close jumps in case of high wind) and I'd still watch. It might make a wind race have a bit of an asterisk, but still better than completely canceling. 

Completely agree with all of this! They're already riding over around 5 days, so a couple of days practice and then a quali day. If weather looking poor for the following day, they run as a race day instead, or even the following day (Sunday). Also agree on the alternative lines, even if just for the two 90 footers and the road gap? Make them technical detours and it would still be awesome to watch with adverse weather.

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7/17/2023 8:42am
earleb wrote:
Regarding Whistler and WC DH, regardless of how big Crankworx is they need to jump through all the UCI hoops to even apply for a WC...

Regarding Whistler and WC DH, regardless of how big Crankworx is they need to jump through all the UCI hoops to even apply for a WC level event. This includes hosting regional, provincial, and national level UCI sanctioned events. WBP has been ticking off these boxes over the last number of years. 

In June they did a Canada Cup XC so checking off that national box. 

https://www.uci.org/competition-details/2023/MTB/69507

In 2022 they hosted BC Cup DH.

Let's hope they've ticked all the boxes 

If we look at the 2024 calendar there is a slim chance? 

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – XCO 21-22.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 21-22.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – EDR 28-29.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 28-29.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS – XCM 28-29.09.2024 Snowshoe (USA)

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – XCO 05-06.10.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 05-06.10.2024 Outside Europe

Whistler then Snowshoe then MSA? 

One Ghost wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be Bromont, Snowshoe, MSA. The travel time is too short to get rigs from the west coast to the east in...

I'm pretty sure it will be Bromont, Snowshoe, MSA. The travel time is too short to get rigs from the west coast to the east in time to set up. Also, Bromont has been putting in an epic amount of work this summer building new stuff and working on old stuff. 

Dave, I heard a whisper of Killington, not Bromont.  They just hosted an FIS Women's World Cup, so maybe feeling saucy?

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7/17/2023 8:53am
Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro...

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro results. 

Anyone know the legit timing issues with the National Champs enduro? heard the last stage the timing broke and the 'backup' which might have been just wrist watches wasn't even optimal, throw in the fact that Richie lost by fraction of a second, has to be hard for Richie to swallow-but He has DH today right? 

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race. And now he is double national...

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race.

And now he is double national champ with his age group DH win. The kid has skills.

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be...

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be in those age brackets.

He's not even in Junior X yet. He's in 14-16. 

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