On the pinkebike article about the new meta v5 was a picture of the yet to be released GX T-Type. I was to slow to save the picture. It was listed on the signature model with a 5800$ price tag. Now the pictures are replaced with a xt build kit at the same price...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about (pun intended).
Can’t we just grow up and allow people to choose.
There’s plenty of good objective opinions on every side of the fence.…. could we please, please have another thread for reach opinions… on pb preferably
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about...
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about (pun intended).
Can’t we just grow up and allow people to choose.
There’s plenty of good objective opinions on every side of the fence.…. could we please, please have another thread for reach opinions… on pb preferably
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about...
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about (pun intended).
Can’t we just grow up and allow people to choose.
There’s plenty of good objective opinions on every side of the fence.…. could we please, please have another thread for reach opinions… on pb preferably
sorry, not trying to be a dick about it - Wheel size is a different kind of subject though- although i could argue reach is settling right in that "mullet zone" lol
On the pinkebike article about the new meta v5 was a picture of the yet to be released GX T-Type. I was to slow to save...
On the pinkebike article about the new meta v5 was a picture of the yet to be released GX T-Type. I was to slow to save the picture. It was listed on the signature model with a 5800$ price tag. Now the pictures are replaced with a xt build kit at the same price...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
Considering two Meta models come with the current ('old') GX cable actuated drivetrain, I kinda doubt there is going to be a GX Transmission that's not AXS.
Considering two Meta models come with the current ('old') GX cable actuated drivetrain, I kinda doubt there is going to be a GX Transmission that's not...
Considering two Meta models come with the current ('old') GX cable actuated drivetrain, I kinda doubt there is going to be a GX Transmission that's not AXS.
Yeah not a fan aye. I’m kinda glad shimano is way behind on the wireless stuff, more cable actuation for me!
Although their 12s has been problematic for me. The derailleurs last on the order of months to weeks depending on riding location. Maybe I’ll just dig out the old X01 11s along with that indestructible one piece cassette and drop some chainring teeth.
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
The Meta AM29 had a 495 reach compared to the 480 on the current one. Also the reason why I sold mine (for a bike with shorter reach and steeper hta), it was just too big.
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
The Meta AM29 had a 495 reach compared to the 480 on the current one. Also the reason why I sold mine (for a bike with...
The Meta AM29 had a 495 reach compared to the 480 on the current one. Also the reason why I sold mine (for a bike with shorter reach and steeper hta), it was just too big.
Correct, The AM29 & TR have very large reach numbers with "meh stack" aswell.
Commencal came back slightly with the SX and now back even further, with 475 in low for the large.
Giant have also done the same with their reign and pulled the reach numbers back.
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling...
Meta v5... finally we are seeing the end of "go longer reach" Some damn good rider at crankworx said to me: "long reach is a selling point for riders who are learning, such as kids, once you know how to go straight its time to go downhill " - he went on to talk about how its common to see young kids riding next size up frames or being on an adult size earlier than they should be.
By his "time to go downhill" reference is: DH bikes generally have shorter reach to stand the rider up so they can ride down steeper faster tracks.
I've been back an forth with reach on bikes in the last 6 months and spent a huge amount of money trying different bikes, the more i rode the more sensible larges(470-480) the more i realised Hes not wrong.(this is in comparision to larges going to 490-500mm. etc) (chainstay length at the shorter reach is the main benefit, shorter reach, longer chainstay has been awesome to ride, playful & stable)
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out...
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out...
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
Yup, at 6ft I feel sized out of many large frames. I went from a Spec Enduro to an Evo, a big part of it was ~15mm less reach on the Evo (both S4). It's also lighter and the adjustability is nice. I'm glad to see reaches getting a bit shorter.
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
That's the thing, brands barely just started offering geo and sizing that fits tall people and now it seems at least that its swinging back the other way.
Indeed the labelling of sizes has changed (so a large is now larger than before) but they still make an equivalently sized bike, it is just labelled medium instead (or even small (!!!) in cases like the Canyon Strive). This also makes sense for a 'medium' frame to be the best fit for an average height person.
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease...
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out...
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range...
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
At least as consolation the really tall guys always have chicks asking them how tall they are
Does anyone have info about Formula releasing a new shock and fork ? I've heard they have something in the pipes but didn't want to show it at Eurobike. Formula MOD is an excellent shock so hopefully it won't go away, maybe something air, or lighter for climbing oriented riders ? As for the Selva few friends have it and love it but many think a biger chassi would be great so maybe a "Zeb/38" offering from Formula ?
Here's another little detail I just found out about the new Commencal Meta V5: Internally at Commencal, within the official documentation, the Meta V5 is known as the 2023 "Meta TR".
That could mean that they do really see it as more of a trail bike, which leaves some unoccupied space in their line-up for a long-travel single crown bike a la Canyon Torque. So maybe they are secretly also working on a long-travel version to replace the Meta AM and SX.
SX sounds more menacing than AM. They'll probably continue with SX, and my guess would be they'll bump the rear travel to 170mm (after all, the current SX goes to 173mm with the WRP link) and will put a 170-180mm fork up front.
SX sounds more menacing than AM. They'll probably continue with SX, and my guess would be they'll bump the rear travel to 170mm (after all, the...
SX sounds more menacing than AM. They'll probably continue with SX, and my guess would be they'll bump the rear travel to 170mm (after all, the current SX goes to 173mm with the WRP link) and will put a 170-180mm fork up front.
I have a sx with a 65 stroke shock and 180 zeb. Great park/smasher bike
On the pinkebike article about the new meta v5 was a picture of the yet to be released GX T-Type. I was to slow to save the picture. It was listed on the signature model with a 5800$ price tag. Now the pictures are replaced with a xt build kit at the same price...
FFS!!!
We had this with wheel size for too long and now we’re doing it about reach.
Pick a size and be a colossal DICK about (pun intended).
Can’t we just grow up and allow people to choose.
There’s plenty of good objective opinions on every side of the fence.…. could we please, please have another thread for reach opinions… on pb preferably
Here ya go: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/How-Much-Reach-is-Too-Much-Re…
sorry, not trying to be a dick about it - Wheel size is a different kind of subject though- although i could argue reach is settling right in that "mullet zone" lol
Its a sram part, allows you to conect the rear mech to the bosch motor, it exists since a couple years ago. Its OEM only I think
(one of) Vali's Boxxers at EB
That's not really true tough. All Commencal are doing is not going any longer than they already are. Reach across the board isn't going to decrease anytime soon. The next bing thing instead will be appropriately tall stack heights. Basically what Santa Cruz is doing already.
Also: Just let us tall people have appropriate reach and stack for once. Smaller people always had options, but I can remember a time where I could literally not get any bike from any manufacturer in a size that fit me.
Also also: It's not like bikes with appropriately long reach today aren't infinitely better than the small, short bikes we had ten years ago.
Hi, I’m Ricky Bobby! And if you’re a bike company and your size large has a reach longer than 480 then fuck you!
Considering two Meta models come with the current ('old') GX cable actuated drivetrain, I kinda doubt there is going to be a GX Transmission that's not AXS.
Gx axs transmission is coming very soon!
along with a 38mm boxxer!
Yeah not a fan aye. I’m kinda glad shimano is way behind on the wireless stuff, more cable actuation for me!
Although their 12s has been problematic for me. The derailleurs last on the order of months to weeks depending on riding location. Maybe I’ll just dig out the old X01 11s along with that indestructible one piece cassette and drop some chainring teeth.
Keen to see how the supre drive gets adopted!
The Meta AM29 had a 495 reach compared to the 480 on the current one. Also the reason why I sold mine (for a bike with shorter reach and steeper hta), it was just too big.
Cool 😎
THIS.
My 2021 XL Meta is only just big enough for me and now they have completely removed anything remotely close to that size, cutting out a part of the market that they previously offered to. Small people have bikes that fit them, why can't tall people?
Ofc progressive geo doesn't suit everybody though - in my eyes the best option would be to offer more sizes within the same overall range. But that costs the manufacturers more...
Correct, The AM29 & TR have very large reach numbers with "meh stack" aswell.
Commencal came back slightly with the SX and now back even further, with 475 in low for the large.
Giant have also done the same with their reign and pulled the reach numbers back.
Fair, Im only really looking out for myself here, at 6ft im only just above the average height aswell so most bikes are within my range but the larges were getting a bit to long.
I feel for the really tall guys who may get their reach number OK but then brands screw you on the stack, Some brands cant even get stack right on the smaller sizes aswell.
Yup, at 6ft I feel sized out of many large frames. I went from a Spec Enduro to an Evo, a big part of it was ~15mm less reach on the Evo (both S4). It's also lighter and the adjustability is nice. I'm glad to see reaches getting a bit shorter.
Man, if only there were a forum thread dedicated to this topic. https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/How-Much-Reach-is-Too-Much-Re…
That's the thing, brands barely just started offering geo and sizing that fits tall people and now it seems at least that its swinging back the other way.
Indeed the labelling of sizes has changed (so a large is now larger than before) but they still make an equivalently sized bike, it is just labelled medium instead (or even small (!!!) in cases like the Canyon Strive). This also makes sense for a 'medium' frame to be the best fit for an average height person.
That's what we thought in May, and then for the first WC race, and now for Eurobike.
At least as consolation the really tall guys always have chicks asking them how tall they are
Does anyone have info about Formula releasing a new shock and fork ? I've heard they have something in the pipes but didn't want to show it at Eurobike. Formula MOD is an excellent shock so hopefully it won't go away, maybe something air, or lighter for climbing oriented riders ? As for the Selva few friends have it and love it but many think a biger chassi would be great so maybe a "Zeb/38" offering from Formula ?
Weren't there murmurs of an air variant of the MOD?
Here's another little detail I just found out about the new Commencal Meta V5: Internally at Commencal, within the official documentation, the Meta V5 is known as the 2023 "Meta TR".
That could mean that they do really see it as more of a trail bike, which leaves some unoccupied space in their line-up for a long-travel single crown bike a la Canyon Torque. So maybe they are secretly also working on a long-travel version to replace the Meta AM and SX.
They could make a longer travel bike with this new suspension design and kill off like 4 models- FRS, clash, meta sx, old meta am 29
never understood why they make so many different but similar purpose free ride/park bikes
SX sounds more menacing than AM. They'll probably continue with SX, and my guess would be they'll bump the rear travel to 170mm (after all, the current SX goes to 173mm with the WRP link) and will put a 170-180mm fork up front.
I have a sx with a 65 stroke shock and 180 zeb. Great park/smasher bike
eurobike wrap-up
https://www.vitalmtb.com/eurobike-2023-day-3