Re: The Pivot Phoenix, it looks to be running Weagle's high pivot design and maybe the DW6 sus design. Looks to be a lot more happening...
Re: The Pivot Phoenix, it looks to be running Weagle's high pivot design and maybe the DW6 sus design. Looks to be a lot more happening at the BB junction box than just a high pivot with a split pivot link.
Yeah, at first I thought it was a regular horizontal lower link but now that you point that out I think there's more going on. It...
Yeah, at first I thought it was a regular horizontal lower link but now that you point that out I think there's more going on. It looks like part of the frame sticks up and back towards the rear wheel above the BB, which would line up with the DW6 system, but that would require another pivot. My guess is either there's a 'hidden' pivot around where a Horst link would have it near the wheel, or it's a Split Pivot/concentric type, but it's hard for me to make it out from this image. Did a quick freehand (mouse) sketch with a Split Pivot DW6 model:
I think a split pivot would make it a linkage driven 4-bar (pedalling wise), so not a DW '6'
Primoz said the industry is going away from HP bikes, no new HP slash, or Optic, or Sight
The industry as a whole does seem to be shifting back, but these bikes are years down the pipeline. We probably won't see too many high/mid-pivot redesigns afterwards but I think these are too far in development to postpone further.
New RM Slayer in the Thomas Vanderham signature series video from Dakine? All black (not current colour way) and looks like it might be a mullet? (1:04 is a pretty clear shot)
New RM Slayer in the Thomas Vanderham signature series video from Dakine? All black (not current colour way) and looks like it might be a mullet...
New RM Slayer in the Thomas Vanderham signature series video from Dakine? All black (not current colour way) and looks like it might be a mullet? (1:04 is a pretty clear shot)
The shock mount seems slightly repositioned on the strut to be a little lower (less progressive) and you can see downtube storage - seems like the same prototype leaked last year on the other site.
Out at the weekend. New Ibis spotted in the park....
Couldn't get another pic as time was short
Out at the weekend. New Ibis spotted in the park....
Couldn't get another pic as time was short
That could be the first ever good-looking Ibis LOL
Jokes aside, I'm intrigued. If this is gonna be their dedicated race bike, I bet they massively changed the kinematics on this compared the previous DW-link (as found on the current Ripmo).
I was also surprised by 54mm but I’d hope they’d make all the sizes. Also we have no clue if the 54mm is what the team...
I was also surprised by 54mm but I’d hope they’d make all the sizes. Also we have no clue if the 54mm is what the team actually uses. Could be different between riders.
I’m running 46mm with Ohlins and agreed, I like the stability and they feel more planted. I think it felt better on the Trek session, but now on the supreme v5, I may try the 51mm just to confirm.
This has been puzzling in the back of my mind all week but after doing a bunch of reading and hearing Chase Sexton talk on the Pulp Show this week about what he did to his Honda to make the front end more stable I think I understand why they would prefer this.
By increasing the offset they are lengthening the bike including the front center to increase chassis stability. We (the general public) generally think about just sizing up or getting reach adjust headsets but clearly Finn and Loic know exactly what reach measurement works for them and their bodies and don't want to change their body positioning on the bike (I think this is true for all top WC Pros, see Aaron Gwin and his 465mm magic reach #.) This also makes sense from a riding technique perspective, you want to be centered on the bike as much as possible.
Regarding the reduced trail from the longer offset, I think they can make up for that via slackening the HTA (Someone should do the math on this) or maybe they prefer the quicker front end for line changes.
At 63.6º HTA a 46mm offset fork gives 119mm of mechanical trail, while a 54mm fork gives 111mm. To get the 54mm fork giving the same mechanical trail the HTA has to be dropped to 62.2º. As for the why, I think lengthening the front of the bike without affect reach is a pretty reasonable justification for the offset. I'd hate to live life as a modern stanchion bushing and there's not a lot more that can be done to move the front contact patch forward otherwise.
Surely that's a development shock sporting both a trunion and a standard eyelet mount from Vorsprung?
Why not keep both an option? As fickle and tradey/swappy as people seem to be these days, why not have both options for easier resale. it's not that much extra weight. #onelesspart#
Surely that's a development shock sporting both a trunion and a standard eyelet mount from Vorsprung?
The text with the image.
"Proto V48 getting some trail time under our engineer Dan, who might not actually be an engineer because he never starts sentences with "As an engineer....".
Standard eyelet and trunnion mount on the same reservoir bridge for testing. This is one part that will change significantly for production, to remove the redundant mounts, save weight, improve clearance and make it more aesthetically pleasing.
We haven't gone that route yet because the machining setup required is significantly more complicated and not something we want to have to revise while we're still testing function and locking down the damping geometry & configurations. This fairly blocky layout lets us make revisions much more easily for the sake of testing, but the production unit will not look anything like this.
Meanwhile, the stuff we can't show you is"
I'll speculate that it's twin tube with a bladder. The reservoir looks pretty small, twin tube with a smaller shaft diameter doesn't require as large a reservoir for fluid displacement.
Why not keep both an option? As fickle and tradey/swappy as people seem to be these days, why not have both options for easier resale. it's...
Why not keep both an option? As fickle and tradey/swappy as people seem to be these days, why not have both options for easier resale. it's not that much extra weight. #onelesspart#
Trunnion mount frames often don't have the space for it.
in case anybody is wondering about the Deviatecycles new bike
I think a split pivot would make it a linkage driven 4-bar (pedalling wise), so not a DW '6'
No way,
Primoz said the industry is going away from HP bikes, no new HP slash, or Optic, or Sight
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Scratch that; it's on page 328 from February and not any better of a view unfortunately
DW4
Haha easy to recognise that CAP parking spot @Nzdinosaur
Looking like a 29er. On 27.5 the 'X' is in the middle of the 50psi, 29er is in front of the 50 psi.
*edit chose a non WT 27.5, but still kinda checks out 🤷 vvv
The industry as a whole does seem to be shifting back, but these bikes are years down the pipeline. We probably won't see too many high/mid-pivot redesigns afterwards but I think these are too far in development to postpone further.
The DW Pivot bike with the two driveside chains is the REAL reason the industry has been silently pushing 55mm chainlines on us #illuminati #qanon
New RM Slayer in the Thomas Vanderham signature series video from Dakine? All black (not current colour way) and looks like it might be a mullet? (1:04 is a pretty clear shot)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbw0keCN6ik
The shock mount seems slightly repositioned on the strut to be a little lower (less progressive) and you can see downtube storage - seems like the same prototype leaked last year on the other site.
It's also mx out of the gate for Mediums and 29 for bigger sizes but able to swap to mullet and back in all sizes.
Does that mean it's coming soon? Not that I'm upset (in any way) with mine or looking to replace it anytime soon.
Hearing mixed wheel hd6 and release not too far away
Any news on the Chainsaw’s release-for-purchase date and pricing in currencies different than $? Since its official release, there’s been nothing…
Fegarding the Pivot, it would need a pivot near the drop outs to be a DW6 and It looks like it does not have one
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The all black Gamux seems to have a lot skinnier tubes on the front triangle than the grey one. Looks like a very different version!
That could be the first ever good-looking Ibis LOL
Jokes aside, I'm intrigued. If this is gonna be their dedicated race bike, I bet they massively changed the kinematics on this compared the previous DW-link (as found on the current Ripmo).
This has been puzzling in the back of my mind all week but after doing a bunch of reading and hearing Chase Sexton talk on the Pulp Show this week about what he did to his Honda to make the front end more stable I think I understand why they would prefer this.
By increasing the offset they are lengthening the bike including the front center to increase chassis stability. We (the general public) generally think about just sizing up or getting reach adjust headsets but clearly Finn and Loic know exactly what reach measurement works for them and their bodies and don't want to change their body positioning on the bike (I think this is true for all top WC Pros, see Aaron Gwin and his 465mm magic reach #.) This also makes sense from a riding technique perspective, you want to be centered on the bike as much as possible.
Regarding the reduced trail from the longer offset, I think they can make up for that via slackening the HTA (Someone should do the math on this) or maybe they prefer the quicker front end for line changes.
At 63.6º HTA a 46mm offset fork gives 119mm of mechanical trail, while a 54mm fork gives 111mm. To get the 54mm fork giving the same mechanical trail the HTA has to be dropped to 62.2º. As for the why, I think lengthening the front of the bike without affect reach is a pretty reasonable justification for the offset. I'd hate to live life as a modern stanchion bushing and there's not a lot more that can be done to move the front contact patch forward otherwise.
surprised to not see Jesse on or testing flight attendant since he seemed to have a big involvement on the fox electronic shock
Surely that's a development shock sporting both a trunion and a standard eyelet mount from Vorsprung?
All the adjustments!
Why not keep both an option? As fickle and tradey/swappy as people seem to be these days, why not have both options for easier resale. it's not that much extra weight. #onelesspart#
The text with the image.
"Proto V48 getting some trail time under our engineer Dan, who might not actually be an engineer because he never starts sentences with "As an engineer....".
Standard eyelet and trunnion mount on the same reservoir bridge for testing. This is one part that will change significantly for production, to remove the redundant mounts, save weight, improve clearance and make it more aesthetically pleasing.
We haven't gone that route yet because the machining setup required is significantly more complicated and not something we want to have to revise while we're still testing function and locking down the damping geometry & configurations. This fairly blocky layout lets us make revisions much more easily for the sake of testing, but the production unit will not look anything like this.
Meanwhile, the stuff we can't show you is"
I'll speculate that it's twin tube with a bladder. The reservoir looks pretty small, twin tube with a smaller shaft diameter doesn't require as large a reservoir for fluid displacement.
Trunnion mount frames often don't have the space for it.
the whole point of trunnion was to jam a big stroke shock in a little hole.
sorry, I was meant to preface the post with "as an engineer (electrical)" as is customary in these situations.
Thanks for outing yourself. Now I know how many grains of salt to trust you with. It would be a cool option though. #onemorepart#