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For my bike with SRAM kit on it, I won’t run a 52 because 1) it’s a really light downcountry bike and doesn’t need it, and 2) that 10 tooth jump is just stupid.
It looks like they’ve gone for more even jumps between gears on this new gen tho. I’d have no issue with using a 52t low gear on a bike that did a lot of winch and plummet if the jumps to get there were more reasonable.
Of course, I’m really really happy with current gen shimano on my two bigger bikes, so I’m not going to be making the change anyway.
Was going to say the same. I’ve got XTR on one bike and XT on another, and wear seems plenty durable on both for me. I have a low bar for putting new chains on, and also do the nerdy crockpot chain wax thing so my drivetrain runs reeeeaaaalllll clean. Maybe the Swiss cheese dude who ran thru his cassette in three months doesn’t do any maintenance?
I went through 2 XTR cassettes in less than 200 miles each. The ramp teeth just wore down to nubs, all the rest looked fine. Drivetrain was setup by a shop. Shimano warrantied them both times. The guy I was dealing with said it was really strange, but didn't complain. Sold the setup after that and went back to X01 AXS, which is at about 2600 miles and still fine.
Any recent photos of the Specialized Demo or Pivot DH prototypes? They seem to be doing a good job of keeping both under wraps.
Oh, see I use the 52 as a bailout gear, its as an option to walking. So that jump is fine, and welcomed cause I use the bike as an 11 speed mostly.
Not stupid, just not optimized for your use case.
Not all things are for everyone, they all have a place
Sure sure, no shade meant toward any individual who’s happy with the setup. I talk kind of snarky sometimes. I’m sure SRAM sold a ton of the 10-52s and that lots of customers are plenty happy.
Same time, it’s not at all an uncommon critique, there’s not another drivetrain out there with such a big jump, and they’re changing it for the next gen, so I don’t think it’s much out of line to say that the execution of the 10-52 is less than ideal.
As someone with a 50t Eagle (2017 GX, still going strong!) I felt that the 52t was there purely because Shimano made a 51t.
The 50t is enough, and feels reasonable. If they are trying to refine the groupset, I would understand them adjusting the ratios at the top end.
Though, my opinion is based around 27.5-inch wheels. For me, I only use the 50t on super steep roads...
While we are talking high pivots… Photos from Santa Cruz testing one on the v10 mule.
There's a look on the riders face of 'I totally need some rando colloquialism... wonder what mtbr.com forums are like'
Sadly, becomes the laughing stock of any DH forum he joins by suggesting to others a smooth pedaling high pivot needs to be also referred to as the 'runny bottom'.
Regarding the cassettes, I took the who needs a 52t as including everything above 50t vs older 11spd cassettes (considering ebikes were mentioned). The jump is stupid (haven't really tried it, but you can see that from a mile away), but it was the cheapest way to "oneup" Shimano by keeping the steel rings the same as they were. The new cassette confirms this as it's all new and doesn't have a big jump.
As for who needs it... I wouldn't mind a 54t, then I could run a 32t chainring instead of the 30t and could theoretically run a power meter without making the easiest gear any harder than what I have with 30/50 combo (I'm a spinner and the climbs here are fairly steep) 🙂
Imo, reason of 52t cog is the 29" rear wheel. 50t for 27.5" is perfectly fine. I am currently on 34t chainring and 50t cassette. Used to have 30t oval, but I was quite often on the highest gear. Local North Shore hills are quite steep. I would appriciete 52t, but still able to pedal up. I am still the last one who is pushing bike from my pack. 😆
I see what you did there.
I'd personally like a 60T cog so I could run a larger from chainring. Currently on 24T chainring and 52T rear cog.
don‘t think i‘ve ever seen a 24 up front, are they even made?! no offense, but maybe you should try an e-bike? could be the right solution for you.
80rpm on 24/52 is 3.2mph......walking pace is 4mph. Just sayin'
“…maybe you should try an e-bike?”
Coming off the top rope with the insults! 😂
In all seriousness though, when I went back to gears after only singlespeeding I figured for sh!ts and giggles I’d just go off the deep end and ran a 26/51T setup. I did indeed giggle at what I could climb. The singlespeeder in me ultimately forced me into 36/11-36 which I find fine, but that ultra low gearing has its place. I wouldn’t rag on anyone wanting such ratios. Not sure I could handle the aesthetics of a 60T though!
Derailleur cage length would be fucked
4mph is 6.4kph. Damn, dude, you’re 1 fast walker! 😀
"For a person with good fitness, an approximate moderate walking pace: 15 minutes per mile (4 miles per hour) 9 minutes per kilometre (6.4 kilometres per hour)"
On flat ground maybe... Anywhere where you are considering a 24x52 gearing you will not come anywhere close to 4mph walking speed.
24x52? Aye caramba. I’d suggest some squats.
Close up look at the new SRAM and RockShox stuff
I'm sure the 52T is there to be 1 more than Shimano. As for if it's for 29ers or 27,5", I run a 10-50T on my 29er. But with a 30T chainring. I ran a 32T on a 27,5" bike.
@Fred_Pop seriously, 24/52? You're not joking with that one? What in the world are you climbing that you need THAT kind of a ratio? Got any vids?
@gibbon walking doesn't include pushing your bike. Riding is easier than pushing your bike.
If anyone thinks 500 % range is not needed, I welcome them to ride some alpine valleys
Good one, no screenshots posted, just the whole video
Regarding Jack claiming silver is coming back, I think it's time to bring back silver rims.
Interesting that he's running 28 spokes though, long term I find them to be much less durable than 32 spokes.
So this shock has adjustable HBO like the new coil SD.
Long term ain’t a thing when you’re factory
Can we go back to tech rumors please
Most people don't understand how much pro teams replace parts during a season. Its a fresh set of wheels for every race.
Nope. We’re going to keep seeing who can get the most pedantic about human walking speed. Mods, can we rename the thread—Discussion of walking speed vis a vis freak gearing setups.
Thanks.
Dang, I still haven’t seen any good shots of the new Code calipers. Miranda posted a vid of her riding her Nomad yesterday from the non drive side; I tried to screenshot it but it was beyond potato. All I could say is that they looked to be silver and kind of chonky. Even that could be wrong tho. What I could see of them in the MoiMoi vid didn’t look silver…
Anyone got any intel and/or pics? I’ve seen plenty of examples of the levers already.