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Trocko
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2/26/2023 1:20pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
   New Specialized Enduro?

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 New Specialized Enduro?

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 Looks like just paint job

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Primoz
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2/26/2023 1:24pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2023 1:27pm

The 'new Vivid'... A theory. I kind of doubt the shock will be called a Vivid. Not with the Super Deluxes being recently refreshed, including the coil variant together with the air variant. So is this what the Super Deluxe Air DH should be (the actual DH variant just drops the lockout)?

The catch is, the air super deluxe has the reservoir body to piggyback orientation opposite to what the coil has. And the air Vivid, Float X2, Cane Creek DB Air and other similar shocks came about by 'slapping an air spring onto a coil shock'. The main difference caused by the different orientations of the air spring between the coil and air Super Deluxe is the adjustable HBO on the coil variant. This is not possible as the needle is mounted in the bottom of the damper body in the air variant. Flipping around the air spring would enable the HBO to be adjustable.

No idea about the naming, might be a Vivid, might be something else entirely (Totem vs. Zeb), but looking at it in the video Jack's shock does actually have a lockout as well.

Crazy thinking? There is no coil shock being ridden unreleased to go along with it. Plus, there's a good shot of it in Jack's video at 9:17-ish ( https://youtu.be/k8oD2GO_k9Y?t=558 ):
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Vs. the coil: https://i.imgur.com/HlqNC9A.png

If the new Boxxer is supposedly getting unveiled fairly soon, I can't see this not being released with it. It will be interesting to see where it slots in.

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2/26/2023 1:52pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
   New Specialized Enduro?

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 New Specialized Enduro?

Trocko wrote:
 Looks like just paint job

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 Looks like just paint job

am i seeing external cups on the headset?

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2/26/2023 2:03pm
From the Trek XC racing team camp video that dropped today.  New XC race bike/bikes coming soon.  I've heard team riders have been unhappy with Trek's...

From the Trek XC racing team camp video that dropped today. 
New XC race bike/bikes coming soon. 
I've heard team riders have been unhappy with Trek's bike options for worldcup XC racing. Basically only have the Supercaliber or a hardtail. The current Supercaliber is as heavy as a 120mm bike but only offering up 60mm of travel. Since they're hyping the Supercaliber in the video that means a new one is coming. I'm assuming it will be ~80mm of travel and good bit lighter. Also believe they HAVE to bring out a super light 100 or 120mm XC/downcountry bike. That is a gaping hole in their lineup and a tool their World Cup XC riders need badly to keep up with the modern 100-120 bikes out there on the circuit. 

Masjo wrote:
It wasn't a great look when the same year the Supercaliber came out, I believe Orbea and/or Specialized came out with their respective 100mm full suspension...

It wasn't a great look when the same year the Supercaliber came out, I believe Orbea and/or Specialized came out with their respective 100mm full suspension XC bikes that were lighter than the 60mm Supercaliber. It was a unique concept, but I don't think it necessarily offered any significant advantages over a traditional full suspension layout in the end. Another issue (that wasn't a problem for the pros) was that the Supercaliber was never offered in alloy and was expensive, so as a shop you didn't have much to offer younger racers other than a hardtail or a 'downcountry' bike. 

While there is room in the lineup now for a revised full sus XC bike, I don't know if there is room for it and a Supercaliber. The Supercaliber has only been in the lineup for one model cycle (so maybe they want to recoup costs on development and keep it), but I would think they either offer it in longer (80-100mm) travel or more likely they scrap it and make a 'traditional' XC full suspension in the same range. I could be completely wrong though. 

they are probably also trying to fix the seatstay problem, all these bikes are cracking at the same place in the seatstays, its happened to me once and a friend twice (in two years). Its at the point that they are just handing out rear triangles for free!

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2/26/2023 4:28pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2023 4:29pm

Santa Cruz throwing some shade on their instagram. Any ideas which brand? If I had to guess I’d say nukeproof but it’s hard to say.

 

 

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2/26/2023 4:33pm

Oh the through-frame cable routing is made of carbon, well I guess that explains why they’re so much fucking money. Who cares?

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2/26/2023 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2023 4:44pm

Answering my own question - I actually think it’s a Jekyll. Sorry nukeproof, I’m sure your frames are pretty inside.

If this is the case I wonder if he’ll get a slap on the wrists seeing as they’re all buddies at pon nowadays?

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 Edit: the height that the cable ports enter the frame at don’t quite line up with the Jekyll either.

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2/26/2023 4:47pm
jofish wrote:
Santa Cruz throwing some shade on their instagram. Any ideas which brand? If I had to guess I’d say nukeproof but it’s hard to say.  ...

Santa Cruz throwing some shade on their instagram. Any ideas which brand? If I had to guess I’d say nukeproof but it’s hard to say.

 

 

Santa Cruz acting like they make some high quality frames because they don't glue in liners but at the same time show a void in their carbon which the unnamed frame does not have. The glued in liners might not be pretty, but at least they don't play a part in the frame's integrity

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2/26/2023 4:52pm
jofish wrote:
Answering my own question - I actually think it’s a Jekyll. Sorry nukeproof, I’m sure your frames are pretty inside. If this is the case I...

Answering my own question - I actually think it’s a Jekyll. Sorry nukeproof, I’m sure your frames are pretty inside.

If this is the case I wonder if he’ll get a slap on the wrists seeing as they’re all buddies at pon nowadays?

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 Edit: the height that the cable ports enter the frame at don’t quite line up with the Jekyll either.

Now I only got a C+ in high school geometry but that doesn’t seem correct.

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2/26/2023 6:00pm

That tool cut off the worst part of the frame good job. Take your cup in carbon and and your superior cable tubes down the road

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2/26/2023 6:28pm
Seagrave7 wrote:
   New Specialized Enduro?

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 New Specialized Enduro?

Trocko wrote:
 Looks like just paint job

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 Looks like just paint job

All I see is new brakes with older groupset. 6846F065-A333-4B1B-AC32-A7B40148E1F7

 

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2/26/2023 10:43pm

The carbon on that mystery cut bike looks really well consolidated. Who cares if the glue squeezed out a bit? Don't be a dick santa cruz

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2/26/2023 11:27pm
markb2392 wrote:

The carbon on that mystery cut bike looks really well consolidated. Who cares if the glue squeezed out a bit? Don't be a dick santa cruz

Or better yet, maybe they can actually supply the frames ordered…. Instead of releasing a new frame every month and not being able to deliver frames/bikes(at least here in Europe)

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2/26/2023 11:36pm

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2/27/2023 12:15am
Primoz wrote:
Was about to comment about the spring aircap on Jesse's bike too, based off the video he posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0D1g5lwAM

Was about to comment about the spring aircap on Jesse's bike too, based off the video he posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw0D1g5lwAM

He mentioned in the comments on his Insta that it was his telemetry.. Did we ever hear why he's on Spectral and not Strive? I asked...

He mentioned in the comments on his Insta that it was his telemetry.. Did we ever hear why he's on Spectral and not Strive? I asked him on that same post. Hopefully he will respond with his reasons

I really liked the Strive platform, the suspension really impressed me and I think the shapeshifter is cool for big days on the bike. BUT, having raced in Tasmania before I felt like the Spectral would be better suited for those rounds with it being more nimble, for me. With the long break after the first block I think I'll have plenty of time to get used to the Strive for the Euro rounds. 

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2/27/2023 12:54am

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2/27/2023 1:14am
jofish wrote:
Santa Cruz throwing some shade on their instagram. Any ideas which brand? If I had to guess I’d say nukeproof but it’s hard to say.  ...

Santa Cruz throwing some shade on their instagram. Any ideas which brand? If I had to guess I’d say nukeproof but it’s hard to say.

 

 

Am I seeing a void in the carbon layup in the right bottom part?

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Saracen with a bag on their bike. That teams media presence is so poor they probably didn't even need to bother with the bag. Regardless, proto frame under there. 

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2/27/2023 2:25am
TannerVal wrote:
 Some more traditional style rims coming from zipp? Can’t tell if they’re carbon or aluminum, wondering if zipp is gonna try to sell something to compete...

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 Some more traditional style rims coming from zipp? Can’t tell if they’re carbon or aluminum, wondering if zipp is gonna try to sell something to compete with the new reserve alloy wheelsets.

This is a nice added bonus to what is already going to be a busy year for SRAM releases. New Eagle, then the Sid line, and the Boxxer. Eagle release, a couple of months to cool off, then bam, another release, and then another. 

 

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2/27/2023 5:37am

Backlog of releases held up by the pandemic and then desperate spamming to try and invigorate aftermarket sales.

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2/27/2023 8:28am
I really liked the Strive platform, the suspension really impressed me and I think the shapeshifter is cool for big days on the bike. BUT, having...

I really liked the Strive platform, the suspension really impressed me and I think the shapeshifter is cool for big days on the bike. BUT, having raced in Tasmania before I felt like the Spectral would be better suited for those rounds with it being more nimble, for me. With the long break after the first block I think I'll have plenty of time to get used to the Strive for the Euro rounds. 

It’s awesome that you pop in here and mingle with us speculative plebes!!  Thank you Jesse and good luck this season!!  Go fast and take chances!!

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2/27/2023 8:37am

re: braydon's zipp wheels - if it's been said, let me know and i'll delete, but his slalom rig wheels are just traditional 27.5 carbon rims w/ zipp stickers on them, nothing new or proto.

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2/27/2023 9:21am

RE: Speculation on the new Specialized Enduro: It's been said a few times and sounds like it's pretty accurate that the new bike is just getting the Stumpjumper EVO treatment. Adjustable head angle, BB, chainstays. Probably some tweaks to leverage curve, carbon layup and base go settings. Won't get a full re-design until they make an enduro version of the prototype Loic and Finn have been riding. They likely have it in the works, but the carbon molds were set for the new Enduro probably before we started seeing Finn racing that prototype DH bike last summer. So the 'new enduro' might not visible different in Potato photos when compared to the old model. 

RE: Canyon Strive vs.Spectral for Jesse: He's likely just waiting for the smaller size front triangle to arrive (an then have a lot of time to ride it) before he starts racing Strive. Note his use of the word 'nimble'. The current Strive 'small' in their lineup is a medium in other brands. 

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2/27/2023 10:35am

Hi all, any news on the upcoming product launch from SRAM/RockShox? March was rumored, right? Waiting for the new BoXXer to be released…

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2/27/2023 11:46am
C-LION wrote:

Hi all, any news on the upcoming product launch from SRAM/RockShox? March was rumored, right? Waiting for the new BoXXer to be released…

I hear March 23, and I think product is on its way to distributors in North America already...

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Primoz
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2/27/2023 12:08pm

March 23 for everything or for the Boxxer only?

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2/27/2023 12:39pm
C-LION wrote:

Hi all, any news on the upcoming product launch from SRAM/RockShox? March was rumored, right? Waiting for the new BoXXer to be released…

pinkrobe wrote:

I hear March 23, and I think product is on its way to distributors in North America already...

It must be getting close, a lot of current product has disappeared from the SRAM website.

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2/27/2023 12:52pm
Well well... What do we have here? I feel like we've seen this before lol https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpDRsHdgMmA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=  

Well well... What do we have here? I feel like we've seen this before lol

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpDRsHdgMmA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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Endurhevia wrote:
Yes Vidaurre it's racing it NOW        

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Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e. invert the Diverge layout where seatstay is instead flexstay and provides rear wheel travel instead of seat travel?) 

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2/27/2023 1:02pm
Well well... What do we have here? I feel like we've seen this before lol https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpDRsHdgMmA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=  

Well well... What do we have here? I feel like we've seen this before lol

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpDRsHdgMmA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Screen Shot 2023-02-24 at 8.22.57 PM

 

Endurhevia wrote:
Yes Vidaurre it's racing it NOW        

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SnusDog wrote:
Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e...

Wild speculation - Spec using Diverge STR rear Futureshock as a lightweight damper that fits somewhere between their Epic Hardtail and their epic full sus? (i.e. invert the Diverge layout where seatstay is instead flexstay and provides rear wheel travel instead of seat travel?) 

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That speculation ain't so wild, your guess makes a lot of sense.

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