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jason.west.750 6/11/2022 9:46pm
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Maxxis Severe? Am I clueless or is this a new XC tire?

I think (me thinks so anyway) l saw the Severe on Bec McConnells insta as well. Looks interesting. Doesn't look terribly innovative but if it's good enough for the pros it's probably good enough for me.
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FullSend 6/12/2022 12:59am
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Aaaaaaaah that's making my left eye twitch uncontrollably........
I hear you. I kinda can't stand asymetric designs aswell.
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jason.west.750 6/12/2022 10:59am
6/12/2022 10:59am
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
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Uncle Cliffy 6/12/2022 12:33pm
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jason.west.750 wrote:
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They...
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
Gross.

Tony’s crimes against cycling are well documented. Also this;
http://theteamrobot.blogspot.com/2015/09/lessons-from-end-of-era.html?m…
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Big Bird 6/12/2022 1:10pm
6/12/2022 1:10pm
And are we totally sure that he's fully retired? It sure looks like he's somehow behind those new Intense prototypes... They have a very similar style.
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theweaz 6/12/2022 1:28pm
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FullSend wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/06/11/12594/s1200_Marzocchi.jpg[/img] New Marzocchi Bomber Air shock. It seems to be very similar to a Fox Float X, but mirrored side to side and with a slightly...


New Marzocchi Bomber Air shock.

It seems to be very similar to a Fox Float X, but mirrored side to side and with a slightly offset and tilted reservoir. Found it in Marzocchi Germany's web shop.

https://www.marzocchi.de/collections/shocks/products/bomber-air?variant=42154242670745

Anybody else not that excited? All I want from Marzocchi is a long-travel coil fork, preferrably in an upside-down arrangement.
Coolest part about this is it presumably will have the performance of a float x, but seems to get lsc and rebound while the cheap float x gets a lockout and rebound.

With modern bikes I’d much rather have low speed compression than a lockout, especially the lockout on the float x that makes it so stiff its really only useful on roads.
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island stoves 6/12/2022 2:18pm
6/12/2022 2:18pm
I’m sure Vital use to post pictures of the winning WC DH bikes? With close up’s of tyres used and broken spokes etc?
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jason.west.750 6/12/2022 2:29pm
6/12/2022 2:29pm
jason.west.750 wrote:
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They...
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Gross.

Tony’s crimes against cycling are well documented. Also this;
http://theteamrobot.blogspot.com/2015/09/lessons-from-end-of-era.html?m…
I don't know. Im not really an old guy and not a dentist but apparently very nostalgic. I dig em. 8-)
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FullSend 6/13/2022 1:33am
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jason.west.750 wrote:
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They...
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
I'm not a fan of the melted-in-the-sun looks.
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hitar_potar 6/13/2022 1:56am
6/13/2022 1:56am
Noone’s talking about the new Trek Fuel EX-e… Some sort of an embargo? Seems like a great alternative to the Levo SL and the Orbea Rise. Smile
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gbcoke 6/13/2022 2:51am
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hitar_potar wrote:
Noone’s talking about the new Trek Fuel EX-e… Some sort of an embargo? Seems like a great alternative to the Levo SL and the Orbea Rise...
Noone’s talking about the new Trek Fuel EX-e… Some sort of an embargo? Seems like a great alternative to the Levo SL and the Orbea Rise. Smile
You mean this ? Looks like the bike discussed earlier in this tread...
New TQ motor with a 360wh battery and around 18.4 kg for a high spec build
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Primoz 6/13/2022 2:58am
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Sounds a bit heavy compared to a Levo SL...
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Primoz 6/13/2022 5:35am
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They do. The session has it as well. It's a way to add some more torsional rigidity to a rocker link without a bridge connecting the sides. Not even near the rigidity of that solution as it's only the... 10, maybe 12 mm axle resisting the torsion, but better than nothing.

I'm guessing it's done this way because of space constrains (top tube and seat tube filling the space between the two rocker plates), but it is a cheap and effective way to tie the sides together as opposed to something like square axle ends and the like.
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Jon_Angieri 6/13/2022 8:22am
6/13/2022 8:22am
What’s going on with the top of that Super Deluxe? It doesn’t look familiar to me
hamncheez2003 6/13/2022 8:25am
6/13/2022 8:25am
FullSend wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/06/11/12594/s1200_Marzocchi.jpg[/img] New Marzocchi Bomber Air shock. It seems to be very similar to a Fox Float X, but mirrored side to side and with a slightly...


New Marzocchi Bomber Air shock.

It seems to be very similar to a Fox Float X, but mirrored side to side and with a slightly offset and tilted reservoir. Found it in Marzocchi Germany's web shop.

https://www.marzocchi.de/collections/shocks/products/bomber-air?variant=42154242670745

Anybody else not that excited? All I want from Marzocchi is a long-travel coil fork, preferrably in an upside-down arrangement.
There is an ad for this on pb this morning, but no press releases yet. Strange. I'm very curious about high performance air shocks for 120mm downcountry bikes.
hamncheez2003 6/13/2022 8:27am
6/13/2022 8:27am
jason.west.750 wrote:
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They...
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
That bike has a concentric main pivot. Even with the midpoint Horst pivot, it probably has incredibly low antisquat and rearwar travel. A big thumbs down from me.
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Primoz 6/13/2022 8:42am
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A concentric pivot on a multilink bike is not the same as on a single pivot bike. You need to look closelier to determine the characteristics. After all, the old Demo was concentric as well (but the chainstay pivot was very low).

Given both links are almost parallel at zero travel (infinitely far away IC), the top one being shorter, the IC will travel backwards towards the front triangle. Given the orientation of the links at zero travel, you can imagine how high the IC will be. And with that it's not impossible to figure out what the antisquat values will be like.

This is just looking at the bike, I could be grossly wrong with this rambling of course (I'm sure someone will model the bike and provide hard data).

@Jon probably something custom, like Trek has usually done? Maybe some more air volume to move the sealhead higher up to package some thru-shaft technology without the damper shaft poking into the frame, like on current ones?

Does (off)road.cc really not provide anything larger than a 640px wide image?? (looked at some other articles to try to sniff out a full size URL off the google cache site).
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slimshady 6/13/2022 8:43am
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jason.west.750 wrote:
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They...
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
hamncheez2003 wrote:
That bike has a concentric main pivot. Even with the midpoint Horst pivot, it probably has incredibly low antisquat and rearwar travel. A big thumbs down...
That bike has a concentric main pivot. Even with the midpoint Horst pivot, it probably has incredibly low antisquat and rearwar travel. A big thumbs down from me.
Dave Earle should write a book, "1001 ways around the DW-Link patent". This abomination looks just like his "mid-pivot" M-Link design he licensed to Fuji, Breezer, etc.

http://www.mlinksuspension.com/
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somebodyyouusedtoknow 6/13/2022 8:49am
6/13/2022 8:49am
Jon_Angieri wrote:
What’s going on with the top of that Super Deluxe? It doesn’t look familiar to me
probably new AirWiz
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hamncheez2003 6/13/2022 8:52am
6/13/2022 8:52am
Primoz wrote:
A concentric pivot on a multilink bike is not the same as on a single pivot bike. You need to look closelier to determine the characteristics...
A concentric pivot on a multilink bike is not the same as on a single pivot bike. You need to look closelier to determine the characteristics. After all, the old Demo was concentric as well (but the chainstay pivot was very low).

Given both links are almost parallel at zero travel (infinitely far away IC), the top one being shorter, the IC will travel backwards towards the front triangle. Given the orientation of the links at zero travel, you can imagine how high the IC will be. And with that it's not impossible to figure out what the antisquat values will be like.

This is just looking at the bike, I could be grossly wrong with this rambling of course (I'm sure someone will model the bike and provide hard data).

@Jon probably something custom, like Trek has usually done? Maybe some more air volume to move the sealhead higher up to package some thru-shaft technology without the damper shaft poking into the frame, like on current ones?

Does (off)road.cc really not provide anything larger than a 640px wide image?? (looked at some other articles to try to sniff out a full size URL off the google cache site).
Yes, the older Demo suffered from the same design and it too had extremely low antisquat. Its super low horst link pivots helped, but this Ellsworth is going to have even less.
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BHowell 6/13/2022 9:32am
6/13/2022 9:32am
FullSend wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/06/11/12594/s1200_Marzocchi.jpg[/img] New Marzocchi Bomber Air shock. It seems to be very similar to a Fox Float X, but mirrored side to side and with a slightly...


New Marzocchi Bomber Air shock.

It seems to be very similar to a Fox Float X, but mirrored side to side and with a slightly offset and tilted reservoir. Found it in Marzocchi Germany's web shop.

https://www.marzocchi.de/collections/shocks/products/bomber-air?variant=42154242670745

Anybody else not that excited? All I want from Marzocchi is a long-travel coil fork, preferrably in an upside-down arrangement.
hamncheez2003 wrote:
There is an ad for this on pb this morning, but no press releases yet. Strange. I'm very curious about high performance air shocks for 120mm...
There is an ad for this on pb this morning, but no press releases yet. Strange. I'm very curious about high performance air shocks for 120mm downcountry bikes.
Here's the official launch and review for y'all - Bomber Air Shock on Vital
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NoahColorado 6/13/2022 10:07am
6/13/2022 10:07am
jason.west.750 wrote:
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They...
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
Maybe this a "new" version, but I think this has been around for the better part of 5 years.
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DubC 6/13/2022 10:24am
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jason.west.750 wrote:
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They...
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Gross.

Tony’s crimes against cycling are well documented. Also this;
http://theteamrobot.blogspot.com/2015/09/lessons-from-end-of-era.html?m…
Wasnt there a really good HBcutthecoursein1990 post about some pretty wild Tony E stories as well? If only there was a way to get that site back!
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Uncle Cliffy 6/13/2022 10:36am
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jason.west.750 wrote:
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They...
There is a new Ellsworth Truth coming. I know Ellsworth gets some crap and frankly l Don't know why. Their bikes seem to perform great. They use to have really cool anodized finishes on their alloy frames back in the day. Wanted an Ellsworth hardtail almost as much as a Dagger
https://bikerumor.com/pro-bike-check-chelsey-magness-wins-24-hr-solo-wo…
Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Gross.

Tony’s crimes against cycling are well documented. Also this;
http://theteamrobot.blogspot.com/2015/09/lessons-from-end-of-era.html?m…
DubC wrote:
Wasnt there a really good HBcutthecoursein1990 post about some pretty wild Tony E stories as well? If only there was a way to get that site...
Wasnt there a really good HBcutthecoursein1990 post about some pretty wild Tony E stories as well? If only there was a way to get that site back!
The days of way back!

Now a days you have to dig into the MTBR archives to read about how Tony was right and all his customers were wrong…
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styriabeef 6/13/2022 12:10pm
6/13/2022 12:10pm
gbcoke wrote:
You mean this ? Looks like the bike discussed earlier in this tread... New TQ motor with a 360wh battery and around 18.4 kg for a...
You mean this ? Looks like the bike discussed earlier in this tread...
New TQ motor with a 360wh battery and around 18.4 kg for a high spec build
Do we think this is the same bike?
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gibbon 6/13/2022 12:16pm
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Aluminium mule maybe?
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